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Being a particular race is not a choice, nor is it a public health risk.
It’s called basic human rights. Businesses don’t have a right to demand access to my medical records. The good thing about the USA is there’s a place for every person so if you want to go to a place where it’s like that then California is a great state. I’ll stay in Texas 🤷‍♂️
 
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The mask does not protect you. It protects others from you. If everyone wore masks correctly for a few months this would have ended a long time ago. Science is real.
The mask absolutely protects you, but your protection varies depending on what kind of mask you are wearing, with cloth masks having the least protection and N95 highest. Otherwise there would be no need for doctors to mask up when treating COVID patients.
 
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lol This makes zero sense. You can still catch and spread the virus just as easily if you're vaccinated. Are that many people ignorant? I guess it's not about the virus after all. It's just about pushing for vaccine travel passports/identification. So you're allowed to enter an Apple store without a mask if you're vaccinated and still spread the virus to anyone else inside the store and also catch the virus. Makes sense.
Everything you said would make sense if it weren't for the initial incorrect assumption that vaccinated people can catch and spread the virus just as easily as vaccinated people.

There is also some pushiness to get people vaccinated because it's all-or-nothing in a way. Each unvaccinated person increases the risk of 1. vaccinated people getting the virus (it's not 100% effective) 2. the virus mutating as it spreads, becoming vaccine-resistant.

At the same time, it's understandable that you'd not want to inject a non-FDA-approved vaccine with unknown long-term consequences that utilizes a new technology. Personally I waited a while to get it then decided to just do it anyway because idk what covid19's long-term consequences are either, and sometimes I gotta be a team player.
 
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This makes zero sense. Vaccinated can still spread the virus.

and why do vaccinated staff need to wear one?
Double standards, braindead logic.

I however, am enjoying not being vaccinated. And I never will be vaccinated. I eat quality pasture raised grass fed meats and organic fruits an veggies daily, and I haven’t been sick in years. Sorry folks, deal with it.
The vaccinated shouldn’t have to wear masks just because YOU decide not to get it and might contract the virus.

I’m not saying just you, but I’ve noticed the amount of illogical thought on this entire thread is extremely high. People need to think before they hit the “post” button.
 
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Wearing anything is better than nothing. My point is it could be the norm. That’s optimal. You sound like the old people in my neighborhood that still think women should not work because they distract men. Dating thinking is toxic to improving civic good. Masks are good for more than stoping disease spread.
Um… Definitely won’t be the normal. It’ll get to the point where the few people left wearing a mask will start to feel stupid for doing so. It’s not natural to not breathe fresh air and expose your immune system to germs. If you’re that concerned about germs, live in a bubble.
 
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It's only fair.


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I have to say it.. there's no pandemic. Just look at the Fauci's e-mails if you don't believe me or you don't want to believe because you're scared to death. There's no need to wear a mask in public, unless you feel bad. In that case you should stay home anyway as you probably should've when the world was relatively normal. We didn't wear masks during flu epidemics, there's no reason to do it now. Just protect the older people and those who are more vulnerable. Unless of course, you want dead economics and desperate people. The world can't do this forever.
And this is the important part: We can't survive dead economics. Desperate people will turn to violence for survival if it gets bad enough. And when innocent people start being attacked and killed for whatever they have, then we've lost all of our social fabric that holds everything together.

And then EVERYBODY loses.
If people want to wear masks 10 years from now, let them.
Except for my property or business. "Mask off for identification" will be posted, and you'll have to remove your mask long enough for my cameras to get a clear look at your face. Then you can put your mask right back on and come on in!

But I'll tell you this. I had a lot of house work done last year. Probably had as many as 30-40 people doing work of some sort or another over the course of the year. And I told everybody masks are optional on my property, after said identification procedure. What counts is that they were welcome and appreciated to come onto my property and to work on my home.

Nobody wore masks. Purely optional. But nobody wore one, even if they arrived with one on.

Lol…explain that to the 600k that lost their lives in the US
You can throw that number up EVERY TIME YOU DISAGREE with somebody, and it still doesn't matter. Remember, they were counting heart attacks, bee stings, broken legs, and in a few cases CANCER as "covid cause of death", even though some people with those things actually GOT BETTER AND WENT HOME.

So throw that number around all you want. Personally, I think it's at least 50% inflated. Maybe even 80%. And this is all the fault of the corrupt media AND it's ALSO the fault of the permissive public that didn't demand that the media report the truth.

The upshot is that I don't believe it. A lot of people don't believe it. And you using it won't change anybody's mind.
I don’t know about you, but I find it somewhat difficult to bring myself to smile and say hello to people who don’t give a **** whether I or others live or die, and/or won’t concede a nanometer of so-called “intrusion” into their lives regardless of the collective benefit—themselves included—it would represent to society.

Call that a harsh line to draw, but it’s there.
Well that's sad for you then, isn't it, to trust nobody? I don't know what I could say to change your mind, so I won't waste either of us's time trying to do so.
Over reaction. There are very few people in this world that have such harsh beliefs as you describe. However, many that have reached opposing conclusions to those that you have and voice them in strong terms.

Personally, I believe the vaccine is a good thing and very beneficial to many vulnerable people. It’s an individual risk/reward equation the each person needs to make. As someone with the antibodies, it is an unnecessary risk to me.

I respect all peoples choices, until they impact my ability to choose. I won’t tolerate that one bit.
Good points. I did get my vaccine; both doses. And I know people who didn't get it. Whatever; let's move on so we can make some money and invent some cool stuff!
...we can’t keep doing the mask thing for another year, it’s getting ridiculous especially for public transportation and supermarkets.
Yep!
I did my part, I shouldn’t be restricted for others ignorance considering the vaccine is available so much abundance.
This too!
Happy Shopping Debt slaves 🤣
Funny but also sad. I'm debt free. Own my house and my car outright. Highly recommended.

And it will cause your brain to take new meaning from the word "liberty".
Isn't this the truth. My friend teaches in Wuhan and was there when all this broke out. They were all confined to their apartments for about 10-12 weeks, with food being delivered to their lobby. All we've been asked to do is wear a damn mask..... even if the mask is proven to be ineffective, flu data suggests they've done a great job, all we have had to do is wear a mask and keep a bit of distance.
I really don't understand what you've written. Are you saying you're happy for the mask? You hate the mask? You can't wait to get out of the house? I totally don't get you here.
Ok Mr. Science;
Do you really not see that you're just saying vaccines don't work and people should just contract covid naturally? You know....what they call....natural immunity?

If your science says the vaccine doesn't work, why should anybody risk a FDA unapproved experimental chemical cocktail shot into their bodies? Why are government organizations offering free school tuition and wheel of fortune style lotteries to promote people getting vaccines? Why did we risk people dying from a vaccine that doesn't work? Your level of self-contradiction is actually amazing.

I applaud you, ser.
Um, I think you also may have self-contradicted once or twice in your missive above. Can you clarify your position?
lol This makes zero sense. You can still catch and spread the virus just as easily if you're vaccinated. Are that many people ignorant? I guess it's not about the virus after all. It's just about pushing for vaccine travel passports/identification. So you're allowed to enter an Apple store without a mask if you're vaccinated and still spread the virus to anyone else inside the store and also catch the virus. Makes sense.

The masks are actually useless because the virus enters your tear ducts and ears more easily than your mouth and nose. So personally, I don't care about the masks anyway. It's Apple's reasoning (and everyone else's) I find hilarious.

The only thing the vaccine "might" do is reduce the severity of symptoms and that is a mammoth unknown. No one can tell me that's a fact because all of them are still under stage 3 clinical trials which means nothing is fact. There's simply no way to argue that. They are not approved final stage vaccines. This means they are lab-rat-level experiments and the results may not be seen/known for a decade down the road. Maybe 20 years down the road, --maybe unknown until your kids become 30 and develop some odd genetic disease-- Can anyone show me 5 year Covid-19 vaccine clinical study results? How bout 2 year? 1 year? lol

I can understand maybe if you are 75 years old, don't really care about your health, cannot have children anymore, just want to travel to Bali before you die and are ok with potential heart and organ issues. However, if you are someone who is entertaining the idea of having children, be prepared for the possibility that any kids you have after getting vaccinated may develop very serious health issues and major disabilities.

The best anyone can say is that the vaccine hasn't made you vomit for what 30 days? Is that good enough for you? If so, then you don't deserve to give birth/have kids if that's how little you value your new child's health. If you don't get the vaccine you might die you say. So what you're saying then is you value your life over your newborn's. Good logic.
TLDR, but I think you are against the vaccines. Right? Okay, cool; have a nice day!
Yes you do and others have a right to not wear a mask. So dont get all uppity with them because they dont want to wear it when they are not sick.
Dude, I love the use of the word "uppity". But then you go ruin everything by omitting the apostrophes in "don't". Why?
You don't get it, do you?



"I don't want the vaccination."

"THEN WEAR A MASK! YOU ARE PERFECTLY FREE NOT TO DO SO IF YOU JUST WEAR A MASK."

"But I don't want to wear masks."

"THEN GET VACCINATED! YOU WON'T HAVE TO WEAR A MASK IF JUST GET A VACCINE."

"But I don't want the vaccination either."
LOL, funny when you say it that way.

But there's actually a third choice available: Don't get the vaccine and don't go anywhere. Then you won't have to wear the mask. Simple, right?
IMHO the CDC has way more information than you do, and its not based on your "Me" vision. Now that Joey B is running the government we can't blame their decisions on the other guy.

What you left out of your equation of vaccination numbers is the number of people that have had it as well. The walking immune. You have....vaccinated people, those that have had it, those that have had neither and those that have passed. I would bet we are at least at the 70% mark if not higher for the vaccinated, those that have had it or those that have passed.

Also around the end of March hospitalizations starting going down. It was theorized at the time that vaccinations were up, those that had it already were was way up and those getting then/now were a younger group of the population that if they did have symptoms just rode it out like any other cold/flu.

Where I live the pandemic is over. My state followed the CDC directive a day after and I hardly see anyone wearing a mask anymore.
I don't trust the CDC because it's a bureaucratic government lap dog. But I had my vaccines and they say I don't need a mask, so now the mask is in my back pocket in case I need to go someplace where they still need me to wear one. Like if I need to get a smoothie or stock up on ammunition; you know, essentials like those!
 
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Because there is still a chance? It’s not 100% cure of COVID. I have not been sick for one day since this whole mess started. I used to get sick a lot due to people not staying home when they feel bad.
This disease is out in the open. There will always be "a chance." Are you going to walk around with a mask for the rest of your life? Does that sound reasonable because there is a "chance?" Do you not drive in the rain because there is a "chance" you could get hit by lighting?
 
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The mask absolutely protects you, but your protection varies depending on what kind of mask you are wearing, with cloth masks having the least protection and N95 highest. Otherwise there would be no need for doctors to mask up when treating COVID patients.
N95 masks say on the box they don’t work for viruses. That’s a pretty damning inditement of this faulty reasoning many are bitterly clinging to.

No protection, not partial, none. It’s the completely wrong thing for the job you are trying to do.

But please, if you wear a mask, make sure to take lots of pictures and heavily advertise these on social media for future clowning purposes. When that ramps up it going to be amazing!

“When in the face of a crisis, some humans keep calm and try to research and reason thru the problem. However other humans, herd together to enschew logic, inventing whole new superstitions, talismans and even costumes based entirely from stuff they heard 12th hand on TV between snack breaks and sitcoms.”
 
Ok, many states and cities have their own outdoor mask mandates. Most Apple stores are in walking shopping areas, many of which are outdoors, and a lot of those require masks. Stores might require masks because they can't tell who's vaccinated and who's not.

It's not even clear what the law is in many places, so maybe people are just doing it anyway to be safe (law-wise). Personally I only wear one if the place explicitly says to, but that's a lot of places.
"Ok, many states and cities have their own outdoor mask mandates."

This is a fair point. Some things are beyond the control of the general public and retailers.
 
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You do know you are talking about 2000 deaths in a full year, for a country of 140 million? I repeat, 2000.
And they isolated and don't have a death cult of COVIDiots. Accepting their responsibilities to others is what has made them wear masks whenever they were infectious to begin with. The rate still went up 3x since the supposed 'herd immunity.'
 
N95 masks say on the box they don’t work for viruses. That’s a pretty damning inditement of this faulty reasoning many are bitterly clinging to.

No protection, not partial, none. It’s the completely wrong thing for the job you are trying to do.

But please, if you wear a mask, make sure to take lots of pictures and heavily advertise these on social media for future clowning purposes. When that ramps up it going to be amazing!

“When in the face of a crisis, some humans keep calm and try to research and reason thru the problem. However other humans, herd together to enschew logic, inventing whole new superstitions, talismans and even costumes based entirely from stuff they heard 12th hand on TV between snack breaks and sitcoms.”
My wife is a dentist/periodontist. She laughs at the mask thing.

People say "doctors wear masks!"

Next time you see a doctor in a mask, look at what else she is wearing. Scrubs. Gloves. Head cover. Clean OR.

If you walk around with a level three mask, touching shopping carts, produce, itching your neck, etc., etc. and think you are somehow protecting yourself or others, you are wrong. You can be mad about it, but you are wrong.

If you're running around with a cloth mask, you're worse than wrong. You're also increasing the risk of infecting yourself with things other than COVID,

If you're masking a 3 year old, which I see in the grocery store all the time, you are abusing a child.
 
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Um… Definitely won’t be the normal. It’ll get to the point where the few people left wearing a mask will start to feel stupid for doing so. It’s not natural to not breathe fresh air and expose your immune system to germs. If you’re that concerned about germs, live in a bubble.
I’m not saying it will normal. I am saying it should be.

Air through a mask is still “fresh air” and your immune system will still be exposed to pathogens.
 
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You can throw that number up EVERY TIME YOU DISAGREE with somebody, and it still doesn't matter. Remember, they were counting heart attacks, bee stings, broken legs, and in a few cases CANCER as "covid cause of death", even though some people with those things actually GOT BETTER AND WENT HOME.

So throw that number around all you want. Personally, I think it's at least 50% inflated. Maybe even 80%. And this is all the fault of the corrupt media AND it's ALSO the fault of the permissive public that didn't demand that the media report the truth.

The upshot is that I don't believe it. A lot of people don't believe it. And you using it won't change anybody's mind.
The overall increase in total deaths in the US in the year since the pandemic started (Mar 1 2020 - Feb 28 2021) is well over 600k more than previous years. Sure, some of that (about 20k) comes from other things like an increase in drug overdoses.
If you think the COVID numbers are inflated, you need to explain where the 300k - 480k (50%-80% of excess deaths) additional non-COVID deaths came from, because I can assure you it isn't bee stings or depression.

In 2020, the CDC only attributed about 75% of excess deaths to COVID-19.

Here's a table from the CDC. Cancer deaths are within a thousand of each of the previous 4 years. Heart disease deaths jumped more than in previous years. Unintentional injuries includes overdoses. What kind of deaths do you think that they are under-reporting and labeling as COVID-19 deaths?
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If you're masking a 3 year old, which I see in the grocery store all the time, you are abusing a child.
Even if you don’t like it and it doesn’t work…you don’t think this is a bit hyperbolic?

…it’d be one thing if you said “silly”, “ineffective” and/or “unnecessary” but abusive?!?! What makes you think it rises to that level?

Kids are resilient. From the ones I’ve seen out and about, they handle masks a lot better than a ton of whiny adults do.
 
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The overall increase in total deaths in the US in the year since the pandemic started (Mar 1 2020 - Feb 28 2021) is well over 600k more than previous years. Sure, some of that (about 20k) comes from other things like an increase in drug overdoses.
If you think the COVID numbers are inflated, you need to explain where the 300k - 480k (50%-80% of excess deaths) additional non-COVID deaths came from, because I can assure you it isn't bee stings or depression.

In 2020, the CDC only attributed about 75% of excess deaths to COVID-19.

Here's a table from the CDC. Cancer deaths are within a thousand of each of the previous 4 years. Heart disease deaths jumped more than in previous years. Unintentional injuries includes overdoses. What kind of deaths do you think that they are under-reporting and labeling as COVID-19 deaths?
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Sadly, you’re probably barking up the wrong tree here…facts don’t matter to many when their “gut” tells them otherwise.

They’ll hyperfocus on the inevitable exceptions, ignore any sense of scale or sample size, and unjustifiably extrapolate from there, dismissing any contrary evidence as part of the coverup or “narrative”.

It’s true “my grandfather smoked every day of his life and lived to be 100!”-level thinking and conclusion-making.

“Um, it’s not COVID. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who works in a hospital and saw that they’re over reporting COVID deaths as of last night. I guess it's not that serious.”

Show them a measuring up filled with 8 ounces of water, and they’ll claim that Big Pyrex and Big Water are in cahoots on a conspiracy to raise water bills or something (the details of the “plan” are never clear).
 
Sadly, you’re probably barking up the wrong tree here…facts don’t matter to many when their “gut” tells them otherwise.

They’ll hyperfocus on the inevitable exceptions, ignore any sense of scale or sample size, and unjustifiably extrapolate from there, dismissing any contrary evidence as part of the coverup or “narrative”.

It’s true “my grandfather smoked every day of his life and lived to be 100!”-level thinking and conclusion-making.

“Um, it’s not COVID. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who works in a hospital and saw that they’re over reporting COVID deaths as of last night. I guess it's not that serious.”

Show them a measuring up filled with 8 ounces of water, and they’ll claim that Big Pyrex and Big Water are in cahoots on a conspiracy to raise water bills or something (the details of the “plan” are never clear).
What message are you intending to convey with this post?
 
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What message are you intending to convey with this post?
Where is the evidence that thing like bee stings and broken legs were recorded as COVID deaths? It doesn’t exist—yet some still believe it.

Trying to make an evidence-based argument to people who believe any evidence is fundamentally compromised is probably a waste of time.
 
The mask does not protect you. It protects others from you. If everyone wore masks correctly for a few months this would have ended a long time ago. Science is real.
The mask doesn't protect you or others. Covid virus particles are so small that trying to get through your mask is like a speck of dust trying to get through a chainlink fence. In other words, getting through all of our worthless masks is the easiest thing the Covid virus ever did, which is why places with and without mask mandates had statistically no difference at all in Covid cases.
 
It’s called basic human rights. Businesses don’t have a right to demand access to my medical records. The good thing about the USA is there’s a place for every person so if you want to go to a place where it’s like that then California is a great state. I’ll stay in Texas 🤷‍♂️
You don’t have the basic human right to endanger the people in a business and occupy that business without their consent.
 
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No difference? Have any peer-reviewed references/citations for that claim?
Nope I don't. This is MacRumors, not a college debate room. I'm just going off what I've seen, heard, and read over the past year or so, none of which I saved links to, so... But one thing supporting my claim is that Fauci himself said that the mask was more to give people a sense of security than actual protection from the virus. And no I don't have a link to that video either, but I know it's around if you want to watch it.
 
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