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Have fun with that. Did you wear masks every flu season?

Unlike COVID-19, the flu doesn't cause amputations, permanent organ damage, permanent cognitive issues, strokes, and diabetes. And Delta is already 6% of U.S. cases and rising...which is just great, because it's both more contagious AND more deadly.
 
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That isn't going to happened. The COVIDiots are about 30% of the population and say they will never get vaccinated. They just don't care and there is no way to make them develop critical thinking this late in the game. There will be no herd immunity.

It's funny, because there was once this guy named Washington who ordered all his troops to be vaccinated against smallpox. If only we had a guy, maybe an elected leader of an entire nation, who had the power to order the citizens of said country to all be vaccinated...
 
That isn't going to happened. The COVIDiots are about 30% of the population and say they will never get vaccinated. They just don't care and there is no way to make them develop critical thinking this late in the game. There will be no herd immunity.
Wow that's pretty low. Calling people idiots because they don't care to join the masses and get an invasive procedure that puts a NON FDA-approved vaccine into their body. For the record I'm fully vaccinated and I still respect others who currently choose not to be.
 
Combine vaccinated with those that have had it....and I am going to say you have at least 70% of the population covered in the US.

Yes, there's certainly an "x factor" in terms of non-vaccinated individuals who have resistance/immunity and thereby contribute towards herd immunity.

Trouble is, I don't think we have a clear idea of what % of the population had asymptomatic covid, had some natural immunity, or had such mild symptoms they didn't bother getting tested and (hopefully) elected to self-quarantine for two weeks. I also think we don't know what portion of those then chose to get vaccinated and what portion chose not to do so.

Has anyone seen any reliable estimates of such figures?
 
Here in Georgia (US) we've been largely opened up for a while now, with the remaining restrictions largely eliminated in early April. Some folks choose to keep wearing their masks, but in effect most do not - even indoors and in stores (just my personal observation)

Vaccine supply has exceeded demand for weeks now, with mass-vaccination sites closing from lack of interest, and thus IMHO nearly everyone over 12 wanting vaccination has had ample opportunity to do so.

The seven day moving average has continued to trend downward since January. Local TV news ran a story a week or so ago about the drop; a doctor they interviewed said he's seen people still hospitalized but none were vaccinated. Yes, anecdotal, so take it for what you will.

We shall see what effect this delta variant has, and I imagine if there's a spike we'll see a response accordingly.

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Source: https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report
Still have to view that in context, Georgia has for most of the time had a more severe problem than state that had consistent science based policies, for example the death rate comparison of Georgia and Washington
 

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If you somehow get COVID, it’s because you likely didn’t get vaccinated.
This is all sorts of incorrect. Every single one of the vaccines are listed as 90%+ or less in effectiveness. None of them are stated as 100% and none of them are FDA approved.
I did my part, I shouldn’t be restricted for others ignorance considering the vaccine is available so much abundance.
This is a great deal of a high-horse style post. SMH.
 
They do both, but they're also not complete protection. You can get contaminants on your hands, touch your eyes.

They stop you from inhaling (if it's an N95) any airborne virus. If it's not an N95 mask, the virus can get through it, but it does significantly reduce what you're able to put into the air.
And this is the point most people are making. I would say 99% of the masks people wore were NOT N95. Just cloth masks. They are joke to be honest.

I flew from the Midwest to CA in the first week of March and back. 4 flights in total (2 each way) on Southwest. All flights were totally full as in NO empty seats. We had to wear our masks, no problem I was not vaccinated yet. Anyhow with a packed plane like that, for a few hours each leg of the route, those masks did ZERO to stop anything. In 10min we were all breaking each others funk.
 
Why do you believe that Covid vaccines works? The same people that urge you to take one are already saying that you'll need another one because of the mutations.

Regarding the e-mails.. have you read them? If yes, why do you ask such question?
I believe the vaccines work because 1) I understand how to read clinical trial data, and 2) places with high vaccinate rates have seen covid rates plummet to almost nothing.

regarding emails: oh no, you don’t get to turn this around. You said the Fauci emails prove there’s no pandemic. So show us where they say that.
So here's the perspective for my country. There's 10 millions of us. We are very small country in comparison with the US. That ammount of people I stated regarding the flu would be now considered dangerous "pandemic" in my country. Hell we even closed the country and brought up restrictions when we had hundreds of cases. This is insanity.

Again, you don't even take in account what I'm saying. The point of my post was that why there's so much death? Why don't we treat the people with Covid? If you call me ignorant I'd say, why are you blinded by your ignorance in the topic? You don't even question things. Is that because it's against the narrative?
I question tons of things about the pandemic. I question the people who still think we need to wear masks outdoors. I question the people who still think we need to deep clean playground equipment.

But your comparison of covid to the flu is ignorant. Sorry to be blunt, but it is. We don’t treat them the same because covid is 10x more deadly. We’ve know that for a year. To continue to make “but the flu!” type arguments is completely disingenuous.
 
It's funny, because there was once this guy named Washington who ordered all his troops to be vaccinated against smallpox. If only we had a guy, maybe an elected leader of an entire nation, who had the power to order the citizens of said country to all be vaccinated...
Without declaring FEMA martial law powers the feds can't do that no matter who is leading the country.
 
Wow that's pretty low. Calling people idiots because they don't care to join the masses and get an invasive procedure that puts a NON FDA-approved vaccine into their body. For the record I'm fully vaccinated and I still respect others who currently choose not to be.
Well its great to be you! As Asimov noted their ignorance isn't equal to someone else's intelligence. There can be no 'herd immunity' if they don't get vaccinated and so anyone complaining about its lack or waiting for it to happen needs to talk to them.
 
Still have to view that in context, Georgia has for most of the time had a more severe problem than state that had consistent science based policies, for example the death rate comparison of Georgia and Washington
Be helpful if you'd cite the source for your graphs.

Also what specific policy differences between WA & GA do you think were the drivers? Would the ~16% difference in obesity, be a factor given the amplified impact it has on virus severity? Might there be other population/demographic differences having have an effect on the death rates? What do you think were the key drivers for the differences between WA & GA?

I also find it interesting you chose Washington state (76/100k) to compare to GA (199/100k) and not NJ, NY, MA, or RI whose rates were 296, 275, 260, and 257 respectively.

... but none of that was the point of my post anyway - merely that as GA has opened up weeks ago rates continue to fall.

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Vaccination is NOT a cure. You can still get it with your party of 50 people.



And since a vaccine is NOT a cure, I think it’s reasonable for me to keep wearing masks. Just like how I HATE when co workers come to work sick, I’d hate to spread my illnesses. I’m hoping this causes the US to become like Japan. They wear masks a lot there pre-COVID.
We’ll find out in 10 days
 
You are free not to get vaccinated. A business should be free to not serve you if you‘re unvaccinated because you put employees and other customers at risk. If there is a large enough number of unvaccinated people, it will take a longer time for „normal activities“ to actually be normal again. Interesting how „a united people“ is only ever of concern for conservatives if there is something they need to do / stop doing. The holocaust comparison is beyond ridiculous and quite disgusting.
Conservatism is a death cult of ignorance, selfishness, greed, and narcissism. When people compare having to wear a mask to the Holocaust it just proves what I said is 100% correct. For all the whimpering about how oppressed they are because they couldn’t get their nails done for a few weeks, you’d think then they’d WANT to take steps to get this virus under control and eradicated as quickly as possible right?? But no, they can’t even wear a mask for a few minutes inside Wal-Mart, because its “oppressive”, they won’t get vaccinated because they suddenly are worried about side effects or supposed toxic ingredients. These same people literally bathe themselves in thousands of toxic chemicals daily, lots of them smoke, drink, and eat mystery fast food produced by genetic engineering on factory farms. All that stuff is harmless but now they are experts on health and are afraid of a vaccine which is the only way out of this since there are too many variants and too many selfish people.
 
I know right. Demanding businesses not ask customers health data. What's next demanding businesses serve customers regardless of race? I'm no republican BTW. Both sides of that fence are rotten IMO. I just think there should be limits as to what a business is allowed to do.
Being a particular race is not a choice, nor is it a public health risk.
 
It's funny, because there was once this guy named Washington who ordered all his troops to be vaccinated against smallpox. If only we had a guy, maybe an elected leader of an entire nation, who had the power to order the citizens of said country to all be vaccinated...

Nobody should have such power.
 
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If 50% of a population is vaccinated against a disease, the vaccinated population will have
more death/symptoms than if 95% of the population were vaccinated.

At very high vaccination rates, getting a vaccine can be like the prisoner’s dilemma: if everyone acts selfishly, everyone will be worse off than if everyone acts altruistically.
If everyone else is vaccinated, you may be better off not being vaccinated so you don’t experience the side effects of vaccination (like a sore arm). But if everyone has that attitude, you and everyone else is more likely to die, because the disease will spread a lot more.
Both people that have been vaccinated and those that have antibodies are contributing to heard immunity, not solely those with vaccinations. And nobody knows for certain at what percentage of the population heard immunity starts.

You are wrong to imply that those that don't get vaccinated are being selfish. Most people make judgment calls based on their own well being. Risk/reward for an individual situation.

I have the antibodies, and I don't live in the presence of anyone in a high-risk category, and I'm in a rural, low population area. At this time getting vaccinated doesn't make sense to me given my situation. It may at some point in the future, but not now.

I'm not against vaccination. To the contrary, I think it is a good thing in many/most situations. I'm against those that try to force it on others. That is where I have an issue.

Also your point about the effects "like a sore arm", minimizes the real risk. No vaccine/medicine comes without risks, and the risks of covid vaccine have been published. I'm sure you are aware of them, but don't really understand why you minimize it to a sore arm.
 
Both people that have been vaccinated and those that have antibodies are contributing to heard immunity, not solely those with vaccinations.
Ok, but that’s not relevant to my point. You can include those with antibodies in my 50% and 95% example. I didn’t get a chickenpox vaccine because I had it as a child (before the vaccine was available).
You are wrong to imply that those that don't get vaccinated are being selfish. Most people make judgment calls based on their own well being. Risk/reward for an individual situation.
Making judgement calls based solely on your own well-being can be selfish. My point is that the “why should you care if other people choose to be vaccinated if you are vaccinated” logic is flawed. This isn’t just about the COVID vaccines. With many vaccines, the risk/reward calculation isn’t just an individual concern. I personally will have lower risks if everyone around me is vaccinated for a communicable disease. Part of the reason some people are against vaccinating their children is because almost everyone else is vaccinated for the diseases, so their own children will have a low risk either way.
People may make decisions based on personal risk/reward, but that doesn’t mean their decisions don’t affect the risk factors for others. That’s why it’s important to have social pressure to get vaccines.
Also your point about the effects "like a sore arm", minimizes the real risk. No vaccine/medicine comes without risks, and the risks of covid vaccine have been published. I'm sure you are aware of them, but don't really understand why you minimize it to a sore arm.
A sore arm is the most common side effect, and one I experienced. My point is that as the total vaccination rate gets high, even minor side effects could enter individual risk assessment. Yes, more severe reactions are also relevant to risk assessment.
 
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