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Apple Stores Will Continue to Require Masks for Now
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No worries. You could not pay me to live there. Where I live a major grocery chain already changed their tune after 24 hours. It will happen. In the real world it was already happening.
I don’t think companies still requiring masks is necessarily “against the science” as it is “against the idiots who are (and have been) ignoring it all along and are now being given the opportunity to easily ignore the guidance“
A mandate requiring masks doesn't mean people are actually wearing masks indoors, so you have no idea if it is effective or not
No that's not the point of this particular vaccine. You can still become infected even after vaccination. The point of this particular vaccine is to keep you from being hospitalized and or dying if you do become infected. Ignorance is a choice.
Oh, there’s no doubt “it” will happen. But some states are more cautious than others was my point as two states very hard hit, probably not want that type of thing to happen again.
I got out of NY (upstate) a quarter century ago and haven’t looked back.
Publix, Costco, Walmart, and Trader Joe’s announced dropping their mask requirements. I’m seeing lots of independent places here drop them as well.
GA numbers continue their downward trend since January even with the lifting of virtually all state imposed restrictions several weeks ago.
If the trend changes here I expect folks will adjust accordingly. GA never had a statewide mandate yet for the worst months virtually everyone was masked voluntarily.
As a side note let’s just remember that the various posters here are
from myriad situations. Someone whose daily routine involves crowded mass transit, crowded shopping, and crowded outdoor opportunities will likely have a different perspective than someone in a rural area who is seldom near another person even at the grocery store.
Nobody is living in fear though. Don’t go to an Apple store then I guess.
with nearly 600,000 dead I’m not convinced the CDC do know more than apple.
but hey what do I know I’ve just been living a normal life for the past 12 months 🤷
No, not even that. This is the only pandemic in history that not only kills fewer than 1 in 3.000 at most, but in most countries, even with the most creative of 'with covid' pronouncements of death, generally is said to be present at death in 1 in 10.000 people.
You see no one dying from it, no sick people, and only through the media narrative, which is constant, are converts made. A simple cold now is great worry to people who sadly have succumbed to an obvious lie.
What does "95% effective in preventing COVID-19" mean to you?
"FDA’s analysis of the available efficacy data from 36,523 participants 12 years of age and older without evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection prior to 7 days after dose 2 confirmed the vaccine was 95% effective (95% credible interval 90.3, 97.6) in preventing COVID-19 occurring at least 7 days after the second dose (with 8 COVID-19 cases in the vaccine group compared to 162 COVID-19 cases in the placebo group)."
What? I've had relatives die from this while waiting for ICU beds... Ignorance like this upsets me.
Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This isn't the Middle Ages...
After reading this thread and seeing all the disagreement, I have a question.
Why should my vaccinated self have to wear a mask, just because some unvaccinated people might lie about being vaccinated and not wear them?
I'm not responsible for them! Go after people who lie, not people who are being responsible and following the rules after being vaccinated.
It's like a drill sergeant punishing the entire squad because of what one soldier did. This isn't the military. Some people are always going to lie. If we wear masks because of them, we'll be wearing masks for years. To hell with that; I want to get back to my normal life now that I got my vaccine.
Note that I'll still wear a mask in an Apple Store if it's asked of me; it's private property and I'll follow their rules. I'm just talking about in general.
Why should my vaccinated self have to wear a mask, just because some unvaccinated people might lie about being vaccinated and not wear them?
I'm not responsible for them! Go after people who lie, not people who are being responsible and following the rules after being vaccinated.
It's like a drill sergeant punishing the entire squad because of what one soldier did. This isn't the military. Some people are always going to lie. If we wear masks because of them, we'll be wearing masks for years. To hell with that; I want to get back to my normal life now that I got my vaccine.
Note that I'll still wear a mask in an Apple Store if it's asked of me; it's private property and I'll follow their rules. I'm just talking about in general.
Some folks don’t think the COVID vaccines work like other vaccines.
I’m nearly four weeks post 2nd dose. I’ve given blood to Red Cross and had test result confirming antibodies. So I’m good IMHO.
If there’s a store worker at the door who asks me to mask up, I will do so out of politeness to someone trying to keep their boss happy.
I shall also continue to give everyone generous “personal space” - acknowledging that I never take mass transit nor am in crowded spaces.
This is, in part, because my states numbers continue their downward trend since January. Should that trend change I will adjust accordingly
Otherwise I intend to be back to normal as best I can, splitting my time between rural and suburban locales
Folks in other places may make other choices. I have many colleagues in India which is being hit hard recently. My comments relate only to my local situation
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Apple needs to Follow the Science and Trust the Experts at the CDC!!!!!!
There's no evidence that Apple isn't doing either.
The CDC says that non-vaccinated people still need to wear masks, and that fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear a mask or physically distance in any setting, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance.
It sounds like Apple has decided they can't tell whether unvaccinated people are entering without masks, so their local business guidance is to require everyone to wear a mask. That doesn't deviate from the science or the CDC.
I remember when the “settled science” was calling for a new Ice Age about now.
Science? Love it! All about questioning assumptions and premises and results, then determining the best (currently envisioned) answers to the data available.
It’s not that they are not following the science, it’s that they are choosing to follow the more restrictive situations of the science (as it stands now). There are currently two cases, vaccinated and unvaccinated. Vaccinated people are good to go, unvaccinated have more (scientifically defined) requirements. Since it is not clear (at least in the US) who has been vaccinated and who has not been, it makes complete sense to just apply the more restrictive requirements to everyone than the more loose requirements when a majority people remain unvaccinated.
edit: both sets of restrictions are coming from the cdc
Just a side note of deep sympathy for your losses. While I’ve been lucky not to have had close family adversely affected, my heart aches for who’ve lost loved ones.
People quote “99.xyz” stats here forgetting the 1% of brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, grandparents,etc whom we will never again speak to.
Yes this has been overhyped by certain segments and yes this has been under hyped by certain segments
Perhaps if folks hadn’t *****
politicized something that affects us all, we would all have done better. That’s what pisses me off the most about all of this, it’s not you vs them, it’s us
So what you’re saying is …
Apple assumes all unmasked people seeking to enter their stores are Liars and they won’t try to differentiate?
This is beyond the Middle Ages. Read the official figures my dear friend. We are facing a pandemic that even the WHO admits is bolstered by WITH rather than FROM numbers, with totally fraught use of PCR testing, making it almost impossible to even guess what percentage of the population has even been confronted with the virus.
I too have an acquaintance that died FROM Covid, but sadly, his doctor, that administered the test, assured his family that he had no covid in his system. The hospital report said otherwise, though. His end was a heart attack. Here in Japan, where the numbers are inflated with car crashes among other things, the reports are still more conservative and still, with 1/10.000 people dying with (not from or of) covid, the media only talks about covid.
Fewer than 3 million people in the entire world have died with (again, no matter the creativity of the report, this is the absolute ceiling as of today) covid, making it fatal in about 1/3.000 people. There has never been a 'pandemic' that approaches this minuscule number of people dying. Historical pandemics would multiply that number several times in a single modern country and guess what? The people would get on, and that despite SEEING and experiencing the horror.
We are simultaneously supposed to believe that fat people, druggies, the aged, and infirm, and more, die of nothing but covid, as the flu is almost completely eradicated because of masks? No, this is a media miracle and only those totally beholden to the media, its big business supporters, the banks, and others, want to foist against every people.
You can believe whatever you want, but don't force technocratic totalitarianism on everyone else.
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No, I'm saying they have three choices:
- Comply with the regulation by checking vaccination records at the door to ensure unvaccinated people are wearing masks.
- Comply with the regulation by asking everyone to wear masks.
- Just open the doors and hope for the best.
Just a reminder for everyone that doesn't live in the US, every major retailer/shop is either considering or have already said they will keep requiring masks when customers enter the stores. It's not just Apple.
No one has said this is permanent policy. This policy can be revised in a few weeks or months easily.
It's just funny seeing some people here argue that Apple isn't following science or singling out Apple for this, when every other reasonable business in the US is following the same requirement out of caution.
Also funny me defending Apple on Macrumors for once 🤣
No one has said this is permanent policy. This policy can be revised in a few weeks or months easily.
It's just funny seeing some people here argue that Apple isn't following science or singling out Apple for this, when every other reasonable business in the US is following the same requirement out of caution.
Also funny me defending Apple on Macrumors for once 🤣
You can't prove a negative statement. There's no citations to provide. That's a simple fact you need to wrap your head around. If something doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on those that claim it exists. IE, there's no such thing as dragons. I can't prove that to you with a citation, but because nobody has ever shown one to exist throughout history my statement is 100% true until someone proves otherwise. I can't give you something that doesn't exist.
If nobody has been evidenced as being vaccinated and transmitting covid, then that's something that can only be disproven once someone that's been vaccinated has transmitted it. Someone with an active infection, as in someone got vaccinated and the virus evaded their immune response -- is now in an entirely different category.
And yes, everyone is well aware that the vaccine is not 100%... hence, 95% efficacy. And no, non-infected people can't transmit the disease. That's kinda how it works - if you don't have something, you can't transmit it. You'd need to be infected, with the virus multiplying and looking for a new host. And, no, it isn't something that needs to be proven. Non-infected people spreading covid are the dragons here... you need to prove their existence, not the other way around.
What you're claiming is a logical fallacy in the burden of proof. You're operating under the assumption something is true until proven otherwise, and asking for someone to prove you wrong. Wrong. You can not logically prove non-existence. To do so would require omnipotence of all things, and if I had that I'd just buy lottery tickets instead, picking my own numbers. Bet on horses. Guess peoples weight at county fairs.
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Can you even read a complete sentence?
"Fully vaccinated people can resume activities without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance."
I agree that wearing a mask outside in the fresh air it is 99% pointless (unless you're in a large crowd screaming/singing etc.), but indoors it's still smarter to wear a mask, even if it is only to protect other people.
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