zchrykng
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I mean, a judge already ruled that Apple was abusing their position, so I don't see how that is in doubt. It has been fully appealed and is final.
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Apple Study: App Store Ecosystem Generated $1.3 Trillion Globally in 2024
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ToothBlueth
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Android and maybe windows mobile would have filled the void (or another one in an alternative history).
We now know, however, that studies commissioned by Apple are a sham, and made up to further Apple’s aims. It’s been shown in court.
Thank you China! How many Trillions of $$$ did you make?
You Don`t Say?
Great hardware by the way!
You Don`t Say?
Great hardware by the way!
It's true we should be skeptical. It does not, however, mean Apple's data are incorrect. It can be true that this is PR spin and a generally accurate reflection of the impact of the App Store.
It's of course likely that some of the economic activity would occur elsewhere (e.g., purchases through Amazon app could be instead through website on a laptop or desktop computer). However, there are data that suggest Amazon app users visit the app more frequently than website users do, and more more purchases (https://mfour.com/wp-content/upload...n-App-and-Browser-Consumer-Behavior-Study.pdf). That's using Amazon as an example.
There's a lot of uncertainly with analyses like what Apple sponsored, but it does have a lot of the data to be accurate with the core app store activity estimates. The broader economic benefits data is where it gets fuzzier.
Do you have the link to the ruling where it was determined Apple's studies are fake?
lazyrighteye
Contributor
“That’s a lot of trillions! We should definitely punish them for their effective closed business model that was initially the butt of tech world jokes but has actually proven much more effective than our business model, making our only option a ‘litigate ourselves to competitive’ strategy that should work, given the legal system will apply dated laws and perspectives to an industry that has moved far beyond said dated laws and perspectives.”
All of the energy and resources put into trying to make Apple like everyone else, feels, amongst many, many other things, like SUCH a waste of said energy and resources.
I find it weird af that a company can eventually be deemed too good at being a company when/if their competitors cry “unfair!” and forced to operate like everyone else in the name of “what’s best for the consumer.” What a total crock. It’s actually [and only] “what’s best for executives and investors of their competitors.” What’s actually best for consumers, is clear, delineated choice and options. Watering down Apple removes options. It’s so short-sighted, so weak, so dumb.
But that’s just, like, my opinion man.
All of the energy and resources put into trying to make Apple like everyone else, feels, amongst many, many other things, like SUCH a waste of said energy and resources.
I find it weird af that a company can eventually be deemed too good at being a company when/if their competitors cry “unfair!” and forced to operate like everyone else in the name of “what’s best for the consumer.” What a total crock. It’s actually [and only] “what’s best for executives and investors of their competitors.” What’s actually best for consumers, is clear, delineated choice and options. Watering down Apple removes options. It’s so short-sighted, so weak, so dumb.
But that’s just, like, my opinion man.
At this point , apple seems like a bully who is shocked when people call them out.
Who instead proclaims that they’re a ‘really great guy’…
And what’s more they’ve commissioned a study that backs them up on that.
Who instead proclaims that they’re a ‘really great guy’…
And what’s more they’ve commissioned a study that backs them up on that.
zchrykng
macrumors member
Never said I was trying to address both points.
This is completely false. Apple without third party developers wouldn't exist. Sure, many small developers' businesses wouldn't exist without the iPhone existing, but if you are looking at Apple vs all developers for their platforms, Apple needs those developers far more than the developers need Apple. Apple would die without third party developers and those developers can develop for other platforms or do other things. At best it is 50/50.
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PlayUltimate
macrumors 65816
Tend to disagree. Think about how many developers existed prior to the iPhone? How many marketplaces existed for developers to sell their product prior to the iPhone? what were the costs of marketing prior to the iPhone? I agree that both are needed; a marketplace does not exist without product to sell. However the App Store created an opportunity that did not previously exist.
zchrykng
macrumors member
Right, I'm not really arguing against that. I'm saying that developers, as a whole, are more important to Apple than Apple is to the developers. Each of those developers could be employed doing other things whereas Apple just wouldn't exist. Is the store that Apple created beneficial? Yes, obviously, it just isn't this entirely one-sided benefit that many seem to want to categorize it as.
OP said "You’re wrong on both points.". Your response is a counter argument to what I responded with to OP.
iPhone without third party developers isn't a realistic scenario. Like saying iPhone without camera sensors means Apple should thank Sony. A phone with cameras is inevitable just as much as a phone with third party developers. The benefit of Apple here is that Apple did a wildly good job with the developer platform where developers earn more money with a fraction of the marketshare.
You didn’t so why should I. The arguments for and against are well known.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
That's the real story here, and one that Apple never really likes to fully acknowledge.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
It'd be a real chefs kiss here if they rolled out "I lied under oath" Apple VP of Finance Alex Roman to discuss this amazing "study"!
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
The real story is devs should be thanking Apple. That’s what the developers never really acknowledge.
Apple didn’t invent the AppStore. Apps exist before the iPhone. I had a Palm Pilot and a HP Compaq PDA. Both had app stores. Also many developers had desktop apps for the Mac before the AppStore. Apple refined the whole process and made it easier but the app ecosystem was already there.
Only a few people would only purchase a device if an application was or was not available. When I upgraded to the iPad from a Windows notebook PC, I did not have access to Microsoft Office at the time. Of course I found a better alternative with Apple iWork at the time. I still do not use Microsoft Office even with it being available from the App Store.
Many people do not realize this. The concept was not new and Apple did as they always do, which is make it better for the end-users and then ultimately the developers. It costs serious money to develop a distribution and payment system for distributing applications to any platform outside of the ones hosted in the system natively.
And your point would be? No one claimed that Apple invented the concept of an Application Store.