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If customers want iTunes so bad on Windows and Microsoft blocked it, customers would leave Windows and get a Mac which means Apple would be better off. Clearly Microsoft doesn't want Apple to sell more Macs so they didn't block iTunes
Plenty would leave Windows if Microsoft arbitrarily blocked whatever it wants for no valid reason
Very few people switch operating system - let alone purchase a new computer/phone for just a single particular app.
Such buying decisions hardly ever depend on one single factor.

Same argument I’m giving when someone suggests to switch to Android just for sideloading.
 
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That was one judge's opinion based on what the lawyers presented.

And the Appeals court looks to agree with the judge, at least initially. Apple appealed the original anti-steering Epic ruling all the way to the Supreme Court, and lost. I expect this to work out the same way.
 
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And your point would be? No one claimed that Apple invented the concept of an Application Store.
My point was that app developers were making money before the Apple AppStore and would still be making money if there was no iPhone. Apple can’t take credit for the work done by app developers.
 
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You’re wrong on both points.
I think (s)he has one point:
one needs more than the other.
An individual developer needs Apple more than Apple needs any individual developer.
That’s why Apple are in a position of power, able to play developers off against each other if necessary p.

Which is why governments and regulators and courts of law make sure they don’t abuse that power.
 
It's true we should be skeptical. It does not, however, mean Apple's data are incorrect. It can be true that this is PR spin and a generally accurate reflection of the impact of the App Store.

It's of course likely that some of the economic activity would occur elsewhere (e.g., purchases through Amazon app could be instead through website on a laptop or desktop computer). However, there are data that suggest Amazon app users visit the app more frequently than website users do, and more more purchases (https://mfour.com/wp-content/upload...n-App-and-Browser-Consumer-Behavior-Study.pdf). That's using Amazon as an example.

There's a lot of uncertainly with analyses like what Apple sponsored, but it does have a lot of the data to be accurate with the core app store activity estimates. The broader economic benefits data is where it gets fuzzier.
It could simply indicate that people are purchasing more from iPhones & iPads than on whatever computer they happened to have. Of course that could also indicate that the only traditional computer they have access to is a company supplied computer where personal usage is prohibited and they have to use their iPhone or iPad to make personal purchases.
 
My point was that app developers were making money before the Apple AppStore and would still be making money if there was no iPhone. Apple can’t take credit for the work done by app developers.
So you are advocating ignoring Apple's contributions because something existed before? Apple did make it easier for developers to get the products to customers and that should not be ignored.
 
So you are advocating ignoring Apple's contributions because something existed before? Apple did make it easier for developers to get the products to customers and that should not be ignored.

Yes, acknowledge it, and then realize that it was almost 20 years ago. The world is a different place, and they have been handsomely paid for it. Time to open things up. Phones are too important in society to be locked behind the whims of profit-seeking middlemen.
 
Yes, acknowledge it, and then realize that it was almost 20 years ago. The world is a different place, and they have been handsomely paid for it. Time to open things up. Phones are too important in society to be locked behind the whims of profit-seeking middlemen.
I and many others will not trust third party application stores or sketchy websites for purchasing anything.
 
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My point was that app developers were making money before the Apple AppStore and would still be making money if there was no iPhone. Apple can’t take credit for the work done by app developers.
By that logic, Sony should take credit for iPhone's success because if iPhone didn't have a camera, no one would buy it.

Camera-less iPhone is just as a realistic scenario as an iPhone with zero third party apps. It's inevitable.
 
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I and many others will not trust third party application stores or sketchy websites for purchasing anything.

That is from the Walter Isaacson biography, not from the Guardian. I have a copy on my shelf at home and have read it.

He also said it himself, on stage, at the unveiling of the iPhone.. The App Store was announced months after the phone was released.. Watch a copy of it on YouTube.

Steve Jobs on stage: "The full Safari engine is inside of iPhone. And so, you can write amazing Web 2.0 and Ajax apps that look exactly and behave exactly like apps on the iPhone. And these apps can integrate perfectly with iPhone services. They can make a call, they can send an email, they can look up a location on Google Maps.

And guess what? There’s no SDK that you need! You’ve got everything you need if you know how to write apps using the most modern web standards to write amazing apps for the iPhone today. So developers, we think we’ve got a very sweet story for you. You can begin building your iPhone apps today."

I and many others will not trust third party application stores or sketchy websites for purchasing anything.

..and you don't have to! I would get to chose 3rd party stores, and you would stick to Apples. Choice is grand!
 
That is from the Walter Isaacson biography, not from the Guardian. I have a copy on my shelf at home and have read it.

He also said it himself, on stage, at the unveiling of the iPhone. Watch a copy of it on YouTube.



..and you don't have to! I would get to chose 3rd party stores, and you would stick to Apples. Choice is grand!
I have the book as well, I have not had a chance to read it. Of course that points out that Steve Jobs was not unreasonable and there could have been a very good reason to exclude it to begin with, who really knows. When developing a new product, you have to focus on the required features to get it out the door and that could be the initial reason to the first version of the iPhoneOS to not have an Application Store. Native applications are better than websites masquerading as applications in every respect.

All Cybersecurity professionals will block access to third party stores on any device connected to their enterprise systems. Of course many large enterprises have their own application stores where they provide the employees access to vetted applications.
 
So you are advocating ignoring Apple's contributions because something existed before? Apple did make it easier for developers to get the products to customers and that should not be ignored.
No, I’m saying Apple can’t take credit for the whole thing like they’re trying to. They’re trying to imply that without the Apple AppStore non of this revenue would have been generated which is clearly complete BS.
 
No, I’m saying Apple can’t take credit for the whole thing like they’re trying to. They’re trying to imply that without the Apple AppStore non of this revenue would have been generated which is clearly complete BS.
I do not see Apple trying to take credit for developers building applications for people to purchase. They are simply showing that the App Store is great for the economy and allows smaller developers compete with large enterprises.
 
Agree with said Judge or not, that was the ruling. This Appeals court seems to agree, and the Supreme Court has already agreed with the original anti-steering ruling. It's not looking good for Apple.
They could've complied properly with the original ruling instead they didn't as they thought that they were right and beyond the law and now they've lost a significant amount of control in the App Store.

The same situation is playing out in the EU.

Apple thought that they were bigger than nation states and political blocs, but they are not.
 
They could've complied properly with the original ruling instead they didn't as they thought that they were right and beyond the law and now they've lost a significant amount of control in the App Store.

The same situation is playing out in the EU.

Apple thought that they were bigger than nation states and political blocs, but they are not.

Indeed, and now one of Apple's execs is going to likely be prosecuted for lying under oath during the ordeal. It's just been all-around bad decisions.
 
Agree with said Judge or not, that was the ruling. This Appeals court seems to agree, and the Supreme Court has already agreed with the original anti-steering ruling. It's not looking good for Apple.
That is an Apple problem, not a problem for me. If a developer does not provide an option to purchase through the App Store, then I just do not need their product.
 
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That is an Apple problem, not a problem for me. If a developer does not provide an option to purchase through the App Store, then I just do not need their product.

Awesome! Sounds good.

For me, If a developer offers an App directly, or though the App Store, I'll likely choose the developer directly. I cut out middlemen whenever possible.

I have no loyalty to Apple, or any company.
 
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