Didn't Apollo say they had 50,000 monthly subscribers? You think every single one of them use Apollo or one of the fewer lesser known ones and everyone else that used the official Reddit app or website is just a user and not a creator? what?
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Apple Subreddit Goes Dark in Protest of Reddit's API Pricing Changes
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I think a sizable percentage represent a sizable percentage of mods and admins. I think mods and admins are disproportionately represented there. I think many of the rest probably account for more traffic and content than the average user (after all, if you’re paying for an extra app to use reddit you’re probably using it a lot) and as is pretty evident by how much both the cost they’re quoting apollo and how much effort they put into a failed hatchet job on the dude behind it.
I also think that there’s a lot more third party apps that use reddit’s API than just apollo and that adds up too.
And I think the evidence is that there are literally thousands of subreddits dark now, including many if not most of the largest ones, and so many more moving that it’s causing backend instability for reddit.
It doesnt have be everyone, it just has to be a lot. And it clearly is.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a lot or every sub to be honest. Reddit owns the content. All they have to do is ban all the mods, invite new ones (which btw a loooong line of people waiting) and just resumes business. I honestly think all this drama is a bit silly with absolute zero effect.
Unless you count the power trips and ego boost... in which MANY reddit mods find value.
May our deeds be sung through the ages!!!
It just came to mind that WeWork’s unravelling also came about from a failed IPO.
Public pressure from their members forced many subreddits to go "dark" to protest this nonsense. People begging them to go dark even though they likely don't even pay for Apollo. Come the 14th, most of those will be back up and the stragglers will likely have Reddit making decisions after.
Yean, weird to think that major subreddits with 100k+ members will just stay private and Reddit won't do anything about it. They will, and for every Mod kicked, there is 100 happy people wanting that ego boost for their free time.
Now now. Reddit has some class. It's like 4chan with lipstick! 💋
Ugh, I remember the fall that Serdar Argic's pro-Turkey propaganda bot went all nuts about EVERY. SINGLE. THANKSGIVING. TURKEY. RECIPE. on Usenet.
And my girlfriend at the time and I went to a very nerdy costume party as Canter & Siegel (the Green Card Lawyers), going to the extent of printing up a bunch of business cards. 😂 Interestingly, that was a case of some selfish people deciding to exploit a large community (Usenet) for their own personal gain (spamming their ads all over the place on what had previously been a mutually agreed non-commercial forum). Now we have Reddit looking to squeeze maximum profit out of a community that, yes, they built the infrastructure, but it is worthless without all the people who are there contributing and moderating.
Who's this "you all" of whom you speak? I liked Usenet very much, and would much prefer a modern Usenet to Reddit, but Reddit is what we've got (for now).
And I care about Apollo and Reddit. I've been using Apollo every day for the past five and a half years. It's the best mobile client for Reddit. And Reddit has offered a lot of what Usenet offered back in the day: interesting discussion and occasionally extremely helpful information on a positively enormous variety of topics (with a ton of niche groups), nicely divided up into various subgroups, where anybody can post a new question, or bit of news, or viewpoint, and anyone else can comment upon it, with lively discussion ensuing.
Now repeat with the rest of the class, "just because a program or service does not fit my needs does not mean it is useless or pointless for everybody else".
Haha, but you and I must be hanging out on very different parts of Reddit (and it sounds like your section is some dive bar that's serving Jägermeister to 13 year edge lords). I've participated in a whole lot of lively and friendly discussions on Reddit, dispensed a lot of answers to questions, and learned a lot of useful information. It's often been a lot more civil than MacRumors.
It really drove the recipe groups crazy, and their responding to it only added to their problems…
The whole Green Card Lawyer saga was interesting, from them threatening Joel Furr over his t-shirts to a foreshadowing of the impact of the internet on mob power.
You... you haven't been reading very closely, have you? Nobody has ever said that.
I will say that not all users are created equal. I will link to this Ars Technica post that explains this point better than I can.
API pricing protests caused Reddit to crash for 3 hours
Thousands of subreddits going dark broke Reddit’s website, mobile app.
arstechnica.com
I legitimately have no idea what digg is (was?).
So… very good point you just made (I assume… since I still have no idea what it is, lol).
Obviously I could do a quick search and find out what digg is/was… but I’m not gonna, lol.
You must be hanging out in the "civilized" gentrified plantations of Reddit.
My introduction was that I was immediately mugged, assaulted, and called a "n00b" in Reddit's slum districts, those subreddits are too numerous to mention. Reddit is populated with murder-hobo intellectuals. Like Rodney Dangerfield once said... "It's a tough crowd."
MacRumors can also be nasty to newcomers and those who are not 'streetwise' to this forum community, true.
P.S. -- I do keep an active reddit account, but only occasionally visit when I need to lurk and skulk searching for "expert information" on very specific topics. I avoid interaction there.
Eh, it's just a number to tell you how you're doing, if you bother to look. It's another form of Internet Points. I hear one million Reddit karma is worth about one US cent at current exchange rates. Some subreddits prohibit posting unless you have over some specified amount of karma, similar to how MacRumors limits commenting on some articles to only those with 100 or more comments, and for the same reason - to keep people from making sock puppet accounts to agree with themselves (or, more charitably, to keep newbies from making social missteps before they're fully acclimated to the site's culture). In both cases, karma/post count is a stand-in for maturity level, which they can't measure directly.
I look occasionally at my recent comments list to see if there are comments of mine that got particularly high or low scores, mostly out of idle curiosity - it's a form of feedback (if you're standing in a group of people, discussing something, you can see if someone looks astonished, or is nodding or giggling, or rolling their eyes or whatever - on the Internet you can't see that, so upvotes/downvotes fill in as an inadequate substitute) - so, it's feedback: "oh a lot of people agreed with point X" or "oh a lot of people disagreed with point Y"[1]. Similar to what one might do here on MacRumors. Though what I'm much more interested in (both here and there) is replies to my comments - many of which have taught me interesting things / shown me different viewpoints, or made me laugh, or both.
1: Per Reddit rules/etiquette, downvotes are not supposed to be used for disagreeing, but rather to mark something that is harmful to the conversation - dragging it wildly off-topic or trolling or similar, though... a lot of people don't seem to have gotten the memo.
Definitely, because I never hung out in subreddits, I just perused those that made the front pages All, Popular & Hot. The groupthink that congeals from the upvoting system over time was interesting to observe, as was the emergent behavior from the social incentive of karma points that have zero value in the world, elevating the most mundane, pedestrian comments until it all started resembling a hallmark card. There are plenty of things I won’t miss about the place. The perpetual, inexplicable dysfunction of the website itself, the endless bot reposts of the same threads over and over, not being able to criticize anything China does, the rush to old moral panics and grandstanding toidied up as progressivism, the endless speech restrictions based on the whims of unqualified & questionably literate mods. Watching a thousand people try as hard as they can to dance around the subject and talk about literally anything else in direct response to a murderous tyrant finally dying, because express relief or joy that they’re finally gone is unacceptable…. Nothing about the place was particularly well done.
Facebook is dead, Twitter is a burning garbage pit, Discord seems a disorganized mess, Reddit is bludgeoning itself senselessly. I think a decentralized, locally-focused, simplified social network like a minimal profile, discussion/blog expansion of Apples “Find Friends” feature would be pretty nice. Img/vid hosting w artist galleries, let us filter out Nazis or adult content if we don’t want to see those, an option for levels of posting privacy, build in existing location & safety options etc. I think Apple could clean up in the relative vacuum of social media options.
Hmm, that may be the difference - I never look at All. I have a whole bunch of subreddits I've joined - eh, more than 30, less than 100, I don't care to go look right now, because boycott, but, a lot. I don't know what options I chose twelve and a half years ago when I joined, but what I get if I look at "reddit.com" is (in "old.reddit.com" format), the most highly voted / interesting (to some algorithm) posts from subreddits I've subscribed to. Which includes a few quite general ones, like r/WorldNews and r/AskReddit (and r/OutOfTheLoop is useful on occasion), as well as a lot of much more niche groups (like r/RaspberryPi, for instance, or some gaming-related groups). So the posts I see are on topics I've already said I want to see, and they're ones that are trending in those subreddits. I don't get random junk from r/funny or various "I'm really outraged and you should be too" subreddits.
Actually, one of my most common entry points to reddit is a particular gaming subreddit (for an old game), where I'll check to see what's up, see if anyone needs help, then check my messages/replies, and then go on from there to the aforementioned "home" page. If I came across a subreddit that was toxic, it's highly unlikely that I would subscribe to it. Just as I wouldn't go out of my way to listen to music that I actively dislike.
And, frankly, I have this feeling that the way I'm using Reddit (subscribe/join a bunch of subreddits that match your interests and then see those on the front page) is closer to how Reddit is really intended to be used, rather than just opening up "All" every time - a curated set of topics still has the ability to surprise and delight. One does the same on other social media - I don't expect anyone tries to read every new tweet on Twitter (or Mastodon) any more, you follow people who interest you, and see what they have to say.
You know there are countries with such things as paid annual leave. The standard in Australia is 4 weeks per year, 5 weeks for shift workers, and 8 weeks of long service leave at 10 years and then an additional 2 weeks long service at every 5 years thereafter, so you don’t need to be rich to have 3 months off.
Agreed, Facebook is going the way of the dodo and MySpace. Maybe IRC chat rooms will make a comeback! \\\*|*///
I hope the protest goes on until the CEO (and all the other managers responsible of this) is replaced. I don't hope Reddit fails or shut down forever. It's one of the few places where we can ask questions and get a human reply, in contrast to a world more and more dominated by AI generated replies.
On some levels I kind of don't understand the issue. Reddit isn't making a profit, they are tuning their business to make a profit eventually. These other 3rd party apps, while in some ways better than the official app (and in some ways worse, read: you can't access chat on them), they are still piggy backing off of Reddit. My hope would be that Reddit uses some of the extra money to make their app better, but I really don't dislike the official app versus Apollo or Reddplanet. I believe part of the issue is accessibility, and that should definitely be fixed in the official app, but otherwise it works fine IMO. (PS a good adblocker does wonders for the official app as well).
No they do not. Clearly. Having neckbeards become tin can napoleons, drunk on imagined power is the problem.