Every developer who has a website will have an an option to download an ipa that they can download for a discount compared to the Appstore. If you like to buy from Apple, you can do that and pay extra. Those who do not want to, will download the ipa and install it. I do not remember the names but there are some apps that cost less and offer more functionality when downloaded directly from the developer's website and in some cases, they are free on the website but have a nominal cost when purchased from the Appstore.
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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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Well…except for the fact that there are more Android phones being used in America. Yes, Apple has the exclusive control of iPhones and iOS, but that is not much different than McDonald’s having exclusive control over Big Macs. Consumers have full control over which device, or hamburger, they buy and enjoy. No consumer is forced to use an iPhone, and based on the actual ownership numbers, more people have bought non-Apple devices.
Someone please help me understand what "Excluding Cross-Platform Messaging Apps" in the DOJ suit means?
I could have sworn that WhatsApp, Messenger, Telegram, and Signal were all there on iOS doing cross-platform messaging things, but maybe I had one too many last night and just imagined the whole thing?
I could have sworn that WhatsApp, Messenger, Telegram, and Signal were all there on iOS doing cross-platform messaging things, but maybe I had one too many last night and just imagined the whole thing?
Apple claims DOJ has had to adjust its legal theories repeatedly
From CNN's Brian FungApple claims the Justice Department has had to modify the legal theories underpinning its case at least six times over the course of a four-year investigation, as other court rulings have emerged undercutting the government's case.
For example, on a call with reporters Thursday, Apple said an appeals court ruling last year finding that the company didn't violate US antitrust laws with its app store was a major blow to the DOJ.
Apple declined to say how it knew the Justice Department was shifting its arguments, citing the need for confidentiality.
Apple also claimed DOJ is trying to make iPhones work more like Android devices — which Apple customers do not want — and would turn the US government into a de facto technology designer.
US sues Apple in antitrust lawsuit: Live updates | CNN Business
The Justice Department has filed a blockbuster antitrust lawsuit against Apple on Thursday. Follow here for the latest.
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I sure as heck don't want my iPhone to work more like Android. That is exactly why I bought an iPhone.
Strongly agree. We see so much crap that Apple pulls that our customers and users never see. Apple is so drowned in their own Flavor Aid that they lie to our faces when they spew their "We treat all developers fairly" lie.
Any developer that has been around for a while has probably worked at various levels of the "food chain" and will have many stories of how Apple treats some developers better than others. I've shared many stores on Macrumors that constantly get pooped on.
Some here even justify preferential treatment by saying some developers add more value to Apple's platforms than others. This is obviously true, but then Apple should change its tune to reflect how developers do receive preferential treatment.
Apple lawyer team has a lot of work cut out for them.
They will lose this because if they are gaps in the laws, they will just make new laws to plug those gaps like the EU did.
Eventually they will lose as long as they keep gatekeeping and don’t allow competition that has to through them for everything.
They will lose this because if they are gaps in the laws, they will just make new laws to plug those gaps like the EU did.
Eventually they will lose as long as they keep gatekeeping and don’t allow competition that has to through them for everything.
That would be nice -- and on Windows also
I'd actually pay Apple for that if they'd offer it
I've got news for ya, the complaint was signed onto by 4 Republican state AGs as well. This isn't a red versus blue issue.
This is the post I originally replied to.
You compared the iPhone to the Mac and theorized that people are not ok with a walled garden iOS.
My argument is that customers would not buy an iPhone if they really objected to the walled garden approach, because there are alternatives available. Samsung, Google Pixel, all the China vendors with the weird names.
See how my argument is relevant and has nothing to do with the DOJ?
Let me translate. The government is owned by the advertising and spying. They say for the safety of Apple users but point blank what they want is to spy on people and track them.
You can't fix the messaging compatibility. Why? Google and Meta want the fingerprinting and backdoor keys. Apple doesn't so no win there.
Apple blew the lid off on what apps track about you and they are treating this like a bad thing. Think about that. Why do companies have the right to track you and use personal information to harass, track, and convict you.
This will end with more ads and more scams to end users. Let me just say it before they all do most of this forum is full of people who think they are smarter than the masses. They think that scams and ads just weed out the weak and if you do end up in a situation it's on you.
Freedom defined as free to be scammed free to be harassed by ads via call/text/iMessage. Get good right?
Let's not forget that Apple is adding RCS based on the universal standard. That means full photo/video ads coming to your phone soon and zero encryption.
You can't fix the messaging compatibility. Why? Google and Meta want the fingerprinting and backdoor keys. Apple doesn't so no win there.
Apple blew the lid off on what apps track about you and they are treating this like a bad thing. Think about that. Why do companies have the right to track you and use personal information to harass, track, and convict you.
This will end with more ads and more scams to end users. Let me just say it before they all do most of this forum is full of people who think they are smarter than the masses. They think that scams and ads just weed out the weak and if you do end up in a situation it's on you.
Freedom defined as free to be scammed free to be harassed by ads via call/text/iMessage. Get good right?
Let's not forget that Apple is adding RCS based on the universal standard. That means full photo/video ads coming to your phone soon and zero encryption.
I'm just saying that if we want to have openness in app stores then devs need to start opening up to consumers who already bought their software once taking it with them to other app stores.
I believe it would be a better analogy if McDonald's also made soda, and customers experienced stomach aches whenever McDonald's food products were eaten with a non-McDonalds beverage (i.e. a Coca Cola).
Probably about as cringy as the people in this thread who have no clue how US antitrust/competition laws work.
By the same token, Android outselling iPhones shows that people prefer open systems. A major compoenent of the Android users will gravitate towards Apple if Apple were to become open. But the question is whether Apple can really compete in a level playing field or do they need a walled garden to prop them up because they can no longer compete?
Look at macos adoption vs Windows adoption. Are they worried that if they let competitive forces take their course, iPhones will end up the way Macs ended up? High-cost niche product used only by the faithful? Apple seems to have no confidence in their abilities to compete fairly.
Yeah, it's also really weird that they have to argue in front of a judge when they're always right, isn't it? Kinda weird that public opinion and lobbying pressure through congress can help them pick and choose who to apply their vast knowledge to as well, huh? Apparently, they've been pissed off that they can't use their Nintendo Switch controllers with an Xbox and want to start with Apple.
Would be weird if it did. Next person comes and wants Final Cut Pro for their Galaxy Tab, should Apple port that over as well?
IMO a company should be free to decide which environment it develops for. As are all the developers choosing to develop for iOS.
Different than the eu. The eu said: “apple shall not gatekeep”. The US has to win a lawsuit.
Yes. "small time developer" is the key here. We see all the crap Apple pulls and it affects us the most.
Apple fails to realize that we also contact our government representatives, the DOJ, and EU to share our experiences.
If you read it again, you will find out that your line of reasoning doesn’t make sense.
No, Android outselling iPhones show that the long tail of the market prefers cheaper options...just like every other market.
Good point. Here:
Justice Department Sues Apple for Monopolizing Smartphone Markets
The Justice Department, joined by 16 other state and district attorneys general, filed a civil antitrust lawsuit against Apple for monopolization or attempted monopolization of smartphone markets in violation of Section 2 of the Sherman Act.
That’d be the end of iOS as a dominant mobile platform in America.
I’d bet my yearly salary on that.
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It is not really about guidelines, but about Apple's "Karen" policies in not approving Apps that Apple does not like for one reason or another, it is about not being consistent with guidelines for App Approvals, it is about not consistently enforcing the rules they publish.
It is about Apple acting like a spoiled child most of the time. It is about Apple jerking around developers for no reason on one hand, then on the other allowing unsafe and obviously non-compliant software to flourish.
It really seems like if an App developer want to scam Apple users, they only just have to go to the corner where Apple takes its bribes. I'm sure it is not malice in this way, but the only other explanation is stupidity.