How can iOS be simultaneously so different to Android that people choose iPhones vs. a cheaper Android phone and at the same time so similar that those points are enough to make them "the same"?
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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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That's the thing, there's SOMETHING to investigate here. Something worthy of changing something...but they're just throwing stuff at the wall to justify a high profile antitrust case. These things aren't meant to be media worthy, just like politics isn't meant to be exciting.
Which is taken into account in the DoJ complaint, as they are arguing the more relevant product market is "performance smartphones" where Apple allegedly has a very large market share.
I was think that Apple was doomed until I started watch a movie from 2002. It made me think Apple maybe a lot better off than we think. Apple already seeded the consumer space with different AR compatibilities. My kids love using my iPhone to watch AR picturebooks and playing with the AR Happy Meal content. I clip digital coupons at Kroger stores with the qr/barcode scanning. My wife used the "colorizer" function in the Home Depot app to test drive paint colors for the living room. Like I said the seeds are there.
Here is a math equation:
Apple Vision + slightly augmented Siri + QR tags scanning everywhere = ?
John Anderton will tell you how close Apple is to something big.
This will probably not end in a court room. Governments will fight Apple constantly until they open up the platform to allow 3rd party Stores and direct distribution by developers. This is how the the software industry has worked forever and Apple has a stranglehold on it now. Even Macs work this way.
In the end companies targeted by anti trust actions just voluntarily comply in a way that make legal claims moot.
Because the difference can be defined with three words doesn't mean they're not completely different philosophies.
Like Microsoft decoupling Internet Explorer in the US? Oh wait, that didn’t happen.
Winner! Winner! Winner! Someone who has apparently read the suit, or at least past the headline. So many comments here are exclusively focused on the App Store. This is not the EU’s case against Apple, and I think a lot of people here will be surprised once they learn that this case is very wide-ranging, and it applies to how the iPhone fits in with the rest of the ecosystem, and doesn’t fit well with non-Apple systems and devices. What some call the “walled garden.”
There are several Android phones that cost more than iPhones. Check the prices of Android flagship phones in your country. And not everyone is buying pro maxes either. Some of Apple's phones are also cheap.
In any case, if an Android user wants to move to iPhones, they will have to buy an iPhone, which they can do only if they can afford it. So, you do not have to worry that users of cheap Android phones will come to buy iPhones. Right now, people are buying expensive Android phones because they think they are better value for money. At least they compete fair and square in the market, not by degrading the function of competion (according to DOJ and 17 states).
Yet, that's not a market at all. They had to create their own segment to even create that argument. It's like saying that Taco Bell is dominant fast food company in the taco segment.
Apple protecting USER’S data is anticompetitive? How the **** is company X or Y entitled to access to that data?
And yes, regulation is desperately needed.
Can someone explain how this is a monopoly when I am free to buy an android ?
The U.S. Department of Justice today announced it has filed an antitrust lawsuit against Apple. The lawsuit alleges that Apple has an illegal monopoly in the smartphone market with the iPhone and the device's locked-down ecosystem.
In a statement shared with MacRumors, Apple said the lawsuit is "wrong on the facts and the law," and the company vowed to "vigorously defend" itself:The complaint was filed today in a U.S. District Court in New Jersey by the Justice Department and 16 other U.S. state and district attorneys general. Apple is accused of violating various U.S. federal and state antitrust laws, including the Sherman Act.
In its press release, the Justice Department highlighted some of the allegations:Apple's anticompetitive conduct also affects "web browsers, video communication, news subscriptions, entertainment, automotive services, advertising, location services, and more," according to the Justice Department.
Jonathan Kanter, Assistant Attorney General of the Justice Department's Antitrust Division:The entire complaint spans 88 pages, so there is a lot of information to unpack. Stay tuned for more coverage throughout the day.
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This was never how the software industry worked, literally ever. Do you remember buying software off of a shelf in a retail store? The store took 50%, creating the media cost another 20% or so.
Do you remember when you bought a video game for a game console, ever? Royalties and license fees are paid to the platform holder.
How about a CD or Blu-ray? Guess who was making money off of every one of those?
Yep, as they say, 'if everywhere you go smells like crap, look under your shoes'
where is the choice that I current exercise for a closed mobile ecosystem afterwards.
and yes it would be forced on me as once you add side loading, alt App Store then iPhone would no longer be in a walled garden.
at moment you like myself have the choice to either buy an open system, android, or a closed system, iPhone.
even if I don’t use the side loading etc that being forced then iPhone no longer a closed mobile system in its walled garden.
you can now buy an android system and use the Google playstore and not sideload but that doesn’t make it a closed mobile ecosystem.
so at that point my choice becomes an open mobile system, Android, another open mobile ecosystem iOS or a closed mobile system that is what exactly.
and what is being done is being done for other big business that simply want a larger slice of the revenue that raised in the iOS mobil ecosystem.
so explain to me in detail how exactly this is about my choice being improved as a consumer when the very first thing this does is REMOVE my choice of a closed mobile ecosystem which is why I buy an iPhone in the first place.
The DoJ is not arguing that third-party messaging apps are being excluded altogether from the platform, but that Apple excludes them from accessing APIs and functionality available to its own messaging app.
One of many examples cited in the complaint:
Should Microsoft have taken 30% of all revenue from the iTunes Store on windows?
Question to developers here:
How many of you have taken screen shots of the senseless BS sent to you by Apple's App Review team after they errantly rejected an update? Of course Apple expunges these conversations after they figure out they incorrectly rejected your App update..
And (the fun part), how many of you have then sent such evidence to a regulatory / government agency to demonstrate how Apple is not conducting App Review fairly?
This is why they need to stop throwing that word around. There's a problem here, but monopoly isn't the problem. Calling it that just muddies the waters for everything.