Both Macrumors and 9to5Mac don't actually have an article about US suing Apple but put up Apple’s response to it. I wonder how much influence Apple have over these two
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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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They even had a commercial explaining how iOS was a computer.
Yep this is true. Makes it confusing and potentially more dangerous.
and even then I would argue that the privacy and secuirty concerns argument is weak as that is something the OS should handle. if Apple requires the App store for those to work then iOS is neither privacy or secure.
The case was first opened in 2019 during the Trump administration.
Given that Apple is happy to put a badge on my settings app for the horror of not setting up Apple Pay, sends me unsolicited emails for their services because I happen to have an iCloud account, and show push notifications to me about free trials for things like Apple Arcade and AppleTV+, I would argue that they apply this rule at best inconsistently and clearly privilege and exempt themselves from having to follow it.
Get an android and stop trying to make iOS into android.
We're discussing third party apps following human interface guidelines which translate to third party apps working well on other platforms.
From the complaint on page 5:
"A path- clearing antitrust enforcement case, brought by the United States and state attorneys general, against Microsoft opened the market and constrained Microsoft’s ability to prohibit companies like Apple from offering iTunes on Windows PCs. Licensing agreements with the major music labels allowed Apple to offer iPod/iTunes users a wide selection of music for a fee-per- download."
Can you imaging the defenders of Apple's commission defending Microsoft taking a share of each iTunes purchase that happened on Windows? Would the iPod have succeeded if Apple couldn't monetize iTunes in a financially sustainable way and pulled iTunes from windows?
"A path- clearing antitrust enforcement case, brought by the United States and state attorneys general, against Microsoft opened the market and constrained Microsoft’s ability to prohibit companies like Apple from offering iTunes on Windows PCs. Licensing agreements with the major music labels allowed Apple to offer iPod/iTunes users a wide selection of music for a fee-per- download."
Can you imaging the defenders of Apple's commission defending Microsoft taking a share of each iTunes purchase that happened on Windows? Would the iPod have succeeded if Apple couldn't monetize iTunes in a financially sustainable way and pulled iTunes from windows?
The claim was "MANY developers ... " - you don't have to survey tens of thousands of developers to know that "many" of them don't mind the %-age. You're not thinking very clearly.
Why is MR only posting the response and not what it is actually about?
“Apple undermines apps, products, and services that would otherwise make users less reliant on the iPhone,” the Justice Department said in a press release. “Apple exercises its monopoly power to extract more money from consumers, developers, content creators, artists, publishers, small businesses, and merchants, among others.”
“Apple reinforces the moat around its smartphone monopoly not by making its products more attractive to users, but by discouraging innovation that threatens Apple’s smartphone monopoly.”
This part made me laugh though. Very American teenager specific:
For example, Apple allows iPhone customers to send high-quality photos and videos seamlessly to one another, but multimedia texts to Android phones are slower and grainy. The company late last year relented and agreed to improve the quality standard it uses to interact with Android phones via text message – but it still maintains those messages in green bubbles, creating a kind of class divide, critics argue.
“Apple undermines apps, products, and services that would otherwise make users less reliant on the iPhone,” the Justice Department said in a press release. “Apple exercises its monopoly power to extract more money from consumers, developers, content creators, artists, publishers, small businesses, and merchants, among others.”
“Apple reinforces the moat around its smartphone monopoly not by making its products more attractive to users, but by discouraging innovation that threatens Apple’s smartphone monopoly.”
This part made me laugh though. Very American teenager specific:
For example, Apple allows iPhone customers to send high-quality photos and videos seamlessly to one another, but multimedia texts to Android phones are slower and grainy. The company late last year relented and agreed to improve the quality standard it uses to interact with Android phones via text message – but it still maintains those messages in green bubbles, creating a kind of class divide, critics argue.
I don't (like you) expect many to jump and use 3rd party stores on iOS. The issue Apple has (most likely) is the work required to make this happen. As safely and non destructively as possible.
Sure, but you were the one that brought up notifications, not me, those aren't human interface guidelines rather App Store policies.
I don't think that's a fair assessment. Macrumors reporting has been very balanced on this topic, as it should be. My guess is, that Apple reacted very quickly by disseminating its own press release to influence the conversation.
I believe heavy hand was on the left side of the political spectrum. In which Apple fully supported, until now.
honestly long over due. People need to remember Apple is not the only company having this brought down on them multiple big tech are being hit and long over due. Also Apple should not be surprised this happen as they been talking with the DOJ for a while. This case started in being build during Trump's administration as something like this take years before they drop the hammer.
Amazon and Google also are being targetted. Biggest difference is they are more likely to be working directly with the DOJ.
Amazon and Google also are being targetted. Biggest difference is they are more likely to be working directly with the DOJ.
you can satisfy some of the people most of the time or most of the people some of the time.
If only Apple made the DMA approach years earlier without being enforced to do so, allowed App Marketplaces access to iOS, adjusted 30% to multi tiers that it has now to protect small developers AND monetised the DevKits and reserved the analytics to theApp Store only, which could have appealed it as 'better solution' to and for developers, they would have future proofed their concept.
Doing nothing and maintaining you're right when times are changing is always a bad idea.
If only Apple made the DMA approach years earlier without being enforced to do so, allowed App Marketplaces access to iOS, adjusted 30% to multi tiers that it has now to protect small developers AND monetised the DevKits and reserved the analytics to theApp Store only, which could have appealed it as 'better solution' to and for developers, they would have future proofed their concept.
Doing nothing and maintaining you're right when times are changing is always a bad idea.
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I vigorously agree!
“It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering government to take a heavy hand in designing people’s technology.”
Oh please, Apple happily works with one of the most oppressive governments in the world. I wish one of these companies would be honest once and just say that it’s for the money.
Oh please, Apple happily works with one of the most oppressive governments in the world. I wish one of these companies would be honest once and just say that it’s for the money.
If Steve Jobs was alive, Apple wouldn't even be in the current pile of mess to begin with.
The problem with that is the security implications and perception. Someone installs some random app they found and gets hacked will cause headaches for Apple. The first thing you will do is take your phone in to get it fixed and blame Apple. News articles will fly about how insecure Apples devices are. Apples image will take a huge hit.
If you think Apple is any safer with the GOP you might be in for a world of shock. Apple is dislike by them even more. Big time with their CEO being Gay. GOP has issues with LBGT which Apple's own CEO is a member of plus Apple pretty willing to support LBGT.