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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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The point is not whether Beeper's solution is legal or not. The point is that Beeper could get rid of green bubbles and other issues without compromising security. Yes, Beeper had to spoof credentials, which Apple would not have had to do if Apple had worked with Beeper or Sherlocked on the same solution, because it was more secure than SMS. But it chose not to and kept the more insecure SMS as the solution because it was intent on profits, not security and privacy.
Why does an AW need iPhone? Only because Apple restricts the 3rd parties from accessing the same APIs that are exposed to AW.
Apple Accused Of ‘Bullying’ App Developer Blix
Apple is using its "monopolistic" position to "bully" an app developer that is suing the iPhone maker for app infringement, new lawsuit claims.
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The Pulse #84: Why is Apple bullying its own developers?
In the 1990s, Microsoft was the company most developers hated with a passion. Today, Apple is working harder than any other organization to earn a similar reputation.
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Apple is bullying game developers, Epic says in court filing
Apple's threat to revoke access to developer tools is an "unlawful effort to maintain its monopoly," the Fortnite maker says in its filing.
www.cnet.com
Yale antitrust scholar likens Apple case to epic Microsoft battle: ‘It’s a really big deal to go up and punch someone who is acting like a bully and pretending not to be a bully’
Antitrust researcher Dina Srinavasan, a Yale University fellow, said the government is picking a "tremendous fight” with what was the world's most prosperous company.
Yes exactly.
Many people have gotten into Apple products because they inherited my older Apple devices.
Some have gone on to buy their own eventually.
They need to see the value in a better phone experience and sometimes that means using one rather than just holding one in a shop.
The same goes with Apple laptops.
Recently gave an 11 year old Macbook Ait to a friend to write his books.
Didnt need to buy Office 365 as Pages opened his files and within a day, he didnt know he wasn't using Word anymore.
He like the keyboard and instant boot up time so much more than his failed HP that was 6 years old and twice as thick and heavy.
You pay for Apple stuff.
But experience has shown time again they usually last longer and continue to offer acceptable value when passed along.
Just want to make sure I understand here: your end goal is to put your product on someone else’s store for free?
And the news that Tim Cook had talks with China's Baidu to do the AI for Apple phones sold in China, Xi Jinping for the win.
We don't know enough about your life. Ask Apple, they know more.
Why is Apple obligated to make their Apple Watch APIs publicly available for everyone to access?
It seems that a lot of people love to scream "unfair!!!" when they really just mean "Shucks, it's not to my benefit / advantage."
Pretending to be an iOS device to remove green bubbles is cosmetic and just fooled the system.
It didnt fix anything. It's like conditionally colouring an Excel cell.
Android users must be feeling very insecure if they are so desperate for a blue bubble.
I've never had an urge to discriminate towards anyone answering message whether their message was blue or green.
It's a messaging system.
The content of the message is more important.
But some people want to make a drama of it.
It's a visual indicator of a device communicating with you.
Bit like how website stats collect and report OS and model and software versions.
Do we get bent out of shape over reports on that?
SMS is less secure but it is a technology that is still used. Hence iPhones support it.
Backward compatibility. Like also supporting USB 2.0 or wifi 5 or 3G.
Why? Ask Apple.
It certainly links to an iPhone during setup.
It copies information and handles updates through the phone.
Perhaps that's why?
They didnt build the AW to update itself?
Maybe it collects data that reports on the iPhone through apps it knows are there and can handle the data?
Many B2B data collection services rely on compatible hardware and software and agreed data interchanges.
For a long time game controllers only worked with the device they were sold with. Some still do.
A Sony PS3 VR headset only worked with a PS3. Is that also steering? Or just a compatible accessory?
And AW does nothing without a phone so it would make it an accessory item.
So long as you bought an AW knowing you needed an iPhone before purchase, you made an informed decision.
next they will be demanding to run game emulators and vaping apps on their Apple Watches.
"These are essential computing devices" they will scream.
You can pay bills on them, you can read websites, you can make phone calls and message people, Apple tells us how powerful they are... LOL
Face it, some people are never happy and refuse to admit the only reason they want iPhones opened up is to load pirated game ROMs and dodgy apps they could easily access from a web browser.
Most bureaucrats don't make enough money to me motivated by profit but politicians, I think enough reporting shows they are motivated by their political donors and being reelected, I would say balancing that with what the public sentiment is, I think those two are your top motivators for politicians, through both of those things they are able to maintain their power, for those that don't read a variety of sources, it has become pretty obvious that the shifting winds of public sentiment favor this DOJ action, and if you want to be cynical and say, this fits into the Biden reelection strategy of standing up to big business and big tech, sure, but we know that already right, most motivations in life are fairly simple, every so often you get a leader who stands on their principles, no matter the politics of the moment, but I think most will agree that those people are rare.
That seems like a very political response from someone who has been on this forum for a long time.
Apple, like most tech companies, have engaged with China to manufacture products.
Their software skills never quite lived up to their hardware skills.
Apple have been reported as discussing AI options with a variety of AI devs.
So broaden your comment to make it less China-hating specific perhaps
It comes across as very Trumpian "CHIN-NA, Chin-na"
Only idiots and middle grade kids care if it's a green bubble, as in the actual color, so I'm always surprised when someone can't nuance this detail. It's the way that green bubble acts which is important, namely how badly they function. Videos and pictures get compressed to the point where they really aren't usable, group chats get screwed up, etc. When you are in an iOS group and "that" guy screws up your group chat, sends pictures/video that looks terrible, and can't encrypt your secret spy stuff then suddenly "that" guy becomes a thorn in everyone's messaging side. That's why Beeper was so nice, and other apps that function in a similar manner like BlueBubbles, not because of the stupid bubble color but because you could retain what should be basic functionality in 2024.
Personally I'll keep the green bubble all day long, heck make me a scarlet red bubble. What I think is the issue isn't Apple making a superior product, it's more how they are boxing everyone else out. I get it, capitalism is brutal and the line is very fine between succeeding on a superior product versus succeeding on undermining the competition through anti-competitive practices. At the end of the day they are probably just the same thing until a court rules on it.
Anyway wake me up when it's all over and we can see how it affects the iPhone 25.
It's hardly one side of politics doing this. Government departments have gone this route many times regardless of who is running the country.
There's some pretty long bows in your assumptions: "shifting winds of public sentiment favor this DOJ action"
Havent had too many regular non tech people say to me "geez i wish my iPhone let me install anything I want" let alone the "walled garden is a bad idea".
Perhaps you need to read why MMS is carrier restricted in file size... Apple differentiates the OS the message came from. The actual terrible quality is the file delivered to them because carriers set limits on the file size.
Why text message videos are blurry, and how to fix the problem
Media sent between iPhones looks pristine, but Android phones don't get the same treatment
www.androidpolice.com
Not political at all, there have been multiple instances of Cook making concessions in China that he would not make here, it is smart for him to do so, no problem with it from a business perspective, but it does clash with Apple and Tim Cook's holier than thou attitude that it sometimes expresses and basks in, from a human rights perspective, are you going to deny China's past and current history of repressing Uighur minorities, just to name one group that are repressed.That seems like a very political response from someone who has been on this forum for a long time.
Apple, like most tech companies, have engaged with China to manufacture products.
Their software skills never quite lived up to their hardware skills.
Apple have been reported as discussing AI options with a variety of AI devs.
So broaden your comment to make it less China-hating specific perhaps
It comes across as very Trumpian "CHIN-NA, Chin-na"
But again, if this reporting is correct: Apple has been seeking a generative AI partner in China because the Asian nation "requires such models to be vetted by its cyberspace regulator before being launched to the public," the Wall Street Journal reported citing unnamed sources.
Don't you think Apple would prefer to use Google in every country as its AI partner, so, Xi gets what he wants, and of course, if you want to sell more Iphones, you bow down to Xi, just don't pretend that you are taking a moral stand in defense of anything in China, in America, yes, in China, not so much.
Some legal experts think the case is strong: https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/22/...acic, a former FTC,he says, has probably paid
Also, if iMessage sucks so much for android users, why isn't the solution to be try and get other people on an alternative like Messenger, WhatsApp or Telegram, rather than expect Apple to make their chat service available on other platforms as well. Yes, it's likely more work, and it sounds like people just want the fastest and easiest shortcut possible.
I doubt that will actually happen. Most people will stick to the official appstore and devs, too, will stay there if most of their customers are there. Look at Android: they’ve always had multiple appstores and all the devs still offer their apps in the google play store. Did they leave Google Pay because there were multilple app stores, thereby forcing their users to download some other appstore? No, they didn’t. Why not? because most Android users stick to the official google play store. The same will happen in the Apple ecosystem.
Well…Google does the same and devs haven’t left the google play store because most of their users download their apps from there. We already have one of them right here in this thread telling us that.
All smart watches do the same things, nothing unique about AW here.
If Galaxy Watch has to connect to a phone, there will be an App (similar to the Watch App). Any updates, data transfer, etc will happen through that app that will be on the phone. Again, there is nothing unique about AW here.
Pebble watch can do fine on Android doing the same B2B data collection. Even Google fit has APIs that do the same thing. Apple health app has APIs that allow it connect to Google fit for data transfer. Trust me, I had used Galaxy watch and phone and am currently using iPhone and AW. I know.
Apple has private APIs for AW while they are not open for non-AW. That is one of the complaints.
Trying to be obtuse?
Beeper solved the problem but since it used Apple's credentials, it is illegal and hence was shutdown. Nobody is arguing that point.
It just means that there exists a solution that is more secure than SMS that Apple could have adopted (and it would have been legal since it is Apple coming up with the solution).
Since one person came up with the solution, it means it is trivial to implement.
However, Apple did not implement a more secure solution because it is after profits and not for the security and privacy of its users.
The question is not about the quality of Android phones or the feelings of Android users. It is the security and privacy of iOS users that is getting compromised. Any messages sent by iPhone users to Android users will be insecure. Can you understand the concept now? There is a solution that Apple could have implemented trivially and made iOS users' communications more secure, but Apple put profits ahead of its user's security and privacy.
Are you getting it now?
That is a good argument. If Apple loses the antitrust case, they will have to open their APIs. If not, they do not have to. They might cave in before that though. All possibilities exist.