Tell that to the EU. As it killed Lightning, Micro-USB, and other connectors in favor of USB-C. It was my choice to keep using my Lightning cable. Thank goodness the EU cares about me and my choice.🤷‍♂️
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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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Can you list what technologies Samsung has a technical advantage over an iPhone?
The only place that phone selection is limited is at the Apple Store. Consumers have incredible choice when it comes to phones, there are dozens of phones out there released from just Google/Samsung/One Plus/LG. Android phones have 70% of the market worldwide. This is due to the fact that iPhones are expensive and that in other markets like China other brands have done a great job in marketing to the local customer base. Everyone that buys an iPhone knows what they are buying into.
Why do you need to call people sheep just because they are making choices that don't suit your needs. I am on an iPhone 12 why because I have not seen much of anything compelling from Apple in recent years. That doesn't take anything away from the iPhone 15, those upgrading from an iPhone X or older will see great value.
Phones/Tablets/TVs/Laptops have all been boring recently. They are a mature product where the expectations for major evolution are unlikely.
How is the S24 compared to the S23/S22/S21? What major advances has Samsung brought forward in recent years. Can you even tell the difference between two phones from 10 Feet away. If Samsung makes phones that are so much better are you saying that all of us that buy an iPhone are just stupid, you're definitely implying that.
Apple had 7 of the world's best selling phones in 2023. Maybe just maybe the reason for that success that they actually make products that hundreds of millions people love.
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Would I have loved to have USB-C on my iPhone 12 yep but only because its one less cable to cary while travelling and as of 2023, this is a solved problem. How many people uses the cable for anything but charging anyways.
"One Google study found that 50% of mobile users have never paid for an app. This has resulted in free apps outnumbering their paid counterparts in the app stores" so in this case, the price of switching from iOS to Android or vice versa is $0 for 50% of all users.
But these are different things being argued. 1 is that they are a monopoly, which by the way is not illegal. But, no one has proven them to be a monopoly. It's just being accused of it at this point. Their last trial against EPIC stated they are not. Breaking the law is a different thing than being a monopoly. Did Apple break the law? They did at that same trail and on appeals broke the law by not allowing developers to reach customers directly (which I have stated many times they should be allowed to do outside the app and with consent of the end user.). That they broke and that they must fix. Other than that......
Are they? That is what the DOJ is trying to prove. I don't expect them to win outright or much. This isn't the EU. And our courts are packed with pro business loving republicans.
They can look all they want. I'm going by what they (DOJ) stated to the news outlets. It's a joke of an argument. Some, they have ground on (the watch and NFC/Wallets). But the green bubbles? Would you really bring that up in any court of law as grounds for breaking up a company? My pictures don't make it over to Android phones as nicely as it does within Apple's phones? I just got 6 perfectly clean and clear and beautiful pictures from an Android using friend of mine. Oddly enough of the Apple Store out in Chicago. Since most likely I will not ever go there. All perfect pictures. Android to iPhone. And it works the other way round too. and yes, next to his green bubbles of text.
They are in full control of the systems they created. They are not in control of people buying anything they make. If that was the case, the Mac would be just as popular as the iPhone is.
They have full influence on the devices and software Apple makes. And when Apple does something, "others" tend to follow along. But, they have been that way since the iMac. The iPhone came along and others moved in that direction. People picked Apple (pun). But, people don't always pick Apple products.
If we are equating piles of poop to Apple and Google. Which color is Apple again? Cause that poop will most likely work as intended with all my other poop. Where as the Google pile of poop will just stink and be fairly useless to me in a short period of time. And I need my poop to work know what I'm saying?. You know what I'm saying.
I am truly upset the DOJ is coming after a scrappy, upstart tech company like this. Why don’t you go after Ma Bell instead?
Yeah thats the way these things go.
But shouldnt the DoJ be held accountable for the reputation and market price damage this announcement has made?
At the moment they issue vaguely worded "breaches" and watch the value drop.
If they had concerns, there should have been a private way to deal with them until a point where Apple wasnt cooperating. Currently all Apple can do is say they are wrong and will vigorously defend themselves. That response says "we didnt see this coming and this is all we can say about it". Sure they probably knew something would come at some stage. Sure they probably have planned a strategy about it with maybe even a roadmap of changes they could/would make if needed.
But Apple have no motivation to change. Customers are buying their products and income is at record highs (or close) so their methods have worked.
I can buy a universal learning remote for my tv.
It will do most common things my real remote does. Interoperability at work.
But it also doesnt look as nice, has buttons for functions my tv doesnt have and doesnt do everything.
A bit like what the DoJ are pushing.
But even if they win, as a consumer I'll be sticking with the Apple items that work together because they were designed to work that way and not added on because of some government decree. The DoJ cant force users to buy a competitor product. No matter how much they force "openness and choice"
If the DoJ win, who next? VIdeo consoles? They are even more tightly controlled.
LOL. That’s rich. “Severely lacking.” I guess that’s why iPhone is by far the most profitable in the industry and has some of the highest customer satisfaction rates. You think it’s all because someone bought an iPhone once upon a time and got locked in a dungeon? That’s truly hilarious. 🤣 What a truly absurd take, just like the gov’t’s legal case. And it sure does sound like you’d be much happier on a Samsung so here’s a helpful article on how to transfer your data from iPhone to Android. Enjoy!
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Or people are really peeved that a vague and inaccurate DoJ statement now has to be defended against and could cause changes to a way of working people have been comfortable with for over a decade.
End of the day, no matter what the DoJ force on Apple, people get to choose with their wallets.
I got to choose not to support Spotify anymore and turned my account into a free one.
Vote with your wallets and ignore the government actions
I cannot believe how frivolous this antitrust lawsuit is.
This from the AP:
The suit takes aim at how Apple allegedly molds its technology and business relationships to “extract more money from consumers, developers, content creators, artists, publishers, small businesses, and merchants, among others.”
That includes diminishing the functionality of non-Apple smartwatches, limiting access to contactless payment for third-party digital wallets and refusing to allow its iMessage app to exchange encrypted messaging with competing platforms.
It specifically seeks to stop Apple from undermining technologies that compete with its own apps -- in areas including streaming, messaging and digital payments -- and prevent it from continuing to craft contracts with developers, accessory makers and consumers that let it “obtain, maintain, extend or entrench a monopoly.”
"diminishing the functionality of non-Apple smart watches. Excuse me but non Apple Smartwatches use a different OS, mostly Android. Apple does have App support for other health sensing watches.
"limiting access to contactless payment for third-party digital wallets". Yes because Apple does not allow your purchases to be tracked which pisses off retail merchants. However There is PayPal, Google Pay, Amazon pay and other services you can use.
"refusing to allow its iMessage app to exchange encrypted messaging with competing platforms". You bet I want my encrypted messages to go outside of Apples control. How about Telegram, WhatsApp, Message, and others such services they are encrypted too. Isn't Apple going to change the exchange part with iOS 18.
All this is, is a make work for Government lawyers, and Apple's legal army.
This from the AP:
The suit takes aim at how Apple allegedly molds its technology and business relationships to “extract more money from consumers, developers, content creators, artists, publishers, small businesses, and merchants, among others.”
That includes diminishing the functionality of non-Apple smartwatches, limiting access to contactless payment for third-party digital wallets and refusing to allow its iMessage app to exchange encrypted messaging with competing platforms.
It specifically seeks to stop Apple from undermining technologies that compete with its own apps -- in areas including streaming, messaging and digital payments -- and prevent it from continuing to craft contracts with developers, accessory makers and consumers that let it “obtain, maintain, extend or entrench a monopoly.”
"diminishing the functionality of non-Apple smart watches. Excuse me but non Apple Smartwatches use a different OS, mostly Android. Apple does have App support for other health sensing watches.
"limiting access to contactless payment for third-party digital wallets". Yes because Apple does not allow your purchases to be tracked which pisses off retail merchants. However There is PayPal, Google Pay, Amazon pay and other services you can use.
"refusing to allow its iMessage app to exchange encrypted messaging with competing platforms". You bet I want my encrypted messages to go outside of Apples control. How about Telegram, WhatsApp, Message, and others such services they are encrypted too. Isn't Apple going to change the exchange part with iOS 18.
All this is, is a make work for Government lawyers, and Apple's legal army.
You can transfer any data you want, but there's no iMessage, because Apple prevents 3rd party from even accessing the basic SMS. Again you are making the case for the government.LOL. That’s rich. “Severely lacking.” I guess that’s why iPhone is by far the most profitable in the industry and has some of the highest customer satisfaction rates. You think it’s all because someone bought an iPhone once upon a time and got locked in a dungeon? That’s truly hilarious. 🤣 What a truly absurd take, just like the gov’t’s legal case. And it sure does sound like you’d be much happier on a Samsung so here’s a helpful article on how to transfer your data from iPhone to Android. Enjoy!
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no one forces any company to use any particular standard.
you can still buy USB memory that run 2.0 hardware.
why anyone would buy them beats me but they exist and customers buy them.
you can't force a hardware (or software) dev to support everything.
Bluetooth 5? Wifi 6. USB 3.2... or video and audio codecs.
I'd love it my USB media playing soundbar would decode FLACS.
it's not happening even though a simple software upgrade could allow it.
cheap bluetooth speakers let you play from a micro SD card or USB.
the expensive ones dont. it's weird that crap sounding speakers offer more function.
but that's life. deal.
You don't keep up with things. This from CNN
(CNN) - The long-standing battle over the iOS' blue and Android's green text bubbles will soon take a more friendly turn. Apple has announced plans to adopt a messaging standard that will finally bring iMessage features to Android users, eroding what some considered an element of Apple's walled garden.Nov 20, 2023
those DoJ lawyers look like small town family lawyers who have been comfortably grazing in their paddocks for decades and the wording of their allegations read worse than some AI generated thing.
If you or I can see through them, Apple's legal eagles are going to have a field day picking the flesh off their bones.
many is not a word used in proper statistical analysis for that very reason
one could actually argue saying that is wrong when using Many as a noun...
Oxford Dictionary:
determiner · adjective
determiner: many; pronoun: many; adjective: many; comparative adjective: more; superlative adjective: most
- a large number of.
"many people agreed with her"
determiner: many; pronoun: many; adjective: many
- a large number of people or things.
"it could be the solution to many of our problems"
plural noun: many
- the majority of people.
"their vision is that trade is in the interest of the many, not the few"
Seems like you are the one doesn't keep up. Defined 'soon', it's not done yet, and won't be until maybe q4 this year. So no, you can't switch NOW and expect to have iMessage like experience.
That’s what this is about— SMS transfer? Well, Apple will solve that by adopting RCS later this year. Again, you are making Apple’s case for them.
Sorry, but you don’t have the right to have an iMessage type of experience if you don’t have an iPhone. 📲
By the time this case actually gets to trial, seems like Apple will have addressed most of the gov’t’s complaints
AI camera? Faking moon shots to pretend their zoom worked 100x better
you are the one saying that. I said 'all of us that buy an iPhone' because there are no other choices! What's so hard to understand and why are you so against choice? Do you work for Apple PR? It's wild so many people defending Apple on this. Apple can and will continue to provide boring incremental updates. You can choose to keep buying Apple like you always do. Nothing going to change. But you don't think, IF there are other viable options that customers can get similar functions on a different phone, like Samsung, you don't think this will force Apple to think hard in the future if they want to raise price or if they want to delay features to next version just because they can? You don't think this will light a fire under Apple so it will be forced to always deliver every year? Why is this a bad thing? So weird many people are on Apple side. You literally want the monopoly to remain. You don't think if there's an alternative App Store that Apple will no longer be able to charge 30% and that will force lower fee and developers can lower the price? Why would that be bad?
please don't be this ignorant. Samsung optical zoom is indeed much more powerful than iPhone's. It's a fact. Writing like this makes Apple fans look completely out of touch.AI camera? Faking moon shots to pretend their zoom worked 100x better
You can pair some non-AW smartwatches (like older Galaxy watches) with the iPhone however, one of the DOJ arguments is that Apple allegedly limits/restricts what competing watches can do if they are even able to be paired to an iPhone at all. Since more people have iPhones (over 60% share in the U.S.), it discourages a greater portion of the market from buying non-AW smartwatches even if they may be better or more affordable products. Another DOJ argument is that because Apple doesn't allow AW to be paired with Android phones, it therefore discourages AW owners to switch to an Android phone which (for reason above) also makes it much less likely they’d buy a non-AW smartwatch. These restrictions "unfairly" help allow Apple maintain or increase its dominance in smartphones and smartwatches. I think that's the DOJ's angle here.
No one is. But the point is the crappy MMS quality blame lands on one companies shoulders and that is Apple because Apple refuses to move to more modern standards. I am just correcting your original mistake of blaming the carriers. No the blame is on Apple.
It is an example of Apple’s abuse of power because a huge reason why they are doing it is for a degraded experience. It is about the pattern.
So what exactly is wrong with it?
Back when the App Store debuted in 2008, the standard was that developers kept only about 30% of software proceeds while distributors kept the other 70%. The PC landscape was also riddled with viruses and malware. So Apple says we will scan all apps you download to prevent the PC virus **** show from coming to your smartphone, and everyone is happy about it because it is better than the PC crapshow up till that time. Competing android devices also came bundled with a ton of carrier bloatware. Apple was able to lock down their iPhone to the point that carriers couldn't do anything to meddle with the "out of the box" experience.
So Apple gave developers cheaper distribution (effectively more than doubling their revenue), and better security and convenience for us end users. I totally fail to see the logic that a company can enter a market as an underdog 17 years ago and end up winning by having a better product, and then 17 years later because they won and happen to make a lot of money, then all of sudden, they are now anticompetitive?
I don't like that because they are successful, then their initial practices are deemed anti-competitive after the fact.