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Patently Apple reports that Apple has been hit with a new patent lawsuit targeting "fast booting" used in OS X, a method of utilizing boot configuration information from earlier booting processes to speed the system startup process.
The lawsuit specifically states that Apple's OS X violates "at least Claim 1" of the OSS patent. The claim in question reads as follows:

"A method for fast booting a computer system, comprising the steps of: A. performing a power on self test (POST) of basic input output system (BIOS) when the system is powered on or reset is requested; B. checking whether a boot configuration information including a system booting state which was created while executing a previous normal booting process exists or not; C. storing the boot configuration information from execution of the POST operation before loading a graphic interface (GUI) program, based on the checking result; and D. loading the graphic user interface (GUI) program."
What is most interesting about the patent and associated lawsuit is that the patent application was initially filed back in 1999 and assigned to LG Electronics. LG is of course a competitor to Apple in the smartphone market, but also serves as a supplier to Apple, primarily through its LG Display arm.

It is unclear, however, whether LG still has any stake in the patent in question, as the assignment on the patent has changed hands multiple times dating back to 2004. LG initially passed the patent off to a company known as Microconnect LLC, but the patent was subsequently passed along to firms by the names of Protimus Technologies LLC and ANPA Inc while also being reissued once along the way. The patent lawsuit has been brought by a Florida-based company called Operating Systems Solutions LLC, which appears to be a previously-unknown entity that may have been created specifically for the purposes of the lawsuit.

Apple is of course no stranger to patent and other types of lawsuits, not only engaging in high-profile disputes with major competitors but also both taking on and being targeted by smaller firms. And while this latest lawsuit may simply be a case of a small patent holding firm seeking to capitalize on its holdings, the patent's historical ties to LG naturally lead to questions about whether yet another of Apple's major competitors is playing a role in the ever-increasing legal entanglements for Apple.

Article Link: Apple Sued Over 'Fast Booting' Patent Linked to LG
 

fishmoose

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How you can even patent an idea to 'Fast Booting' a computer is beyond me, if the judge has any clue this patent will be invalidated.
 

Saf876

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"A method for fast booting a computer system, comprising the steps of: A. performing a power on self test (POST) of basic input output system (BIOS) when the system is powered on or reset is requested;"

1. Mac's don't have POST
2. Mac's don't have BIOS (they have EFI)
 

Gemütlichkeit

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Front page patent news. Awesome!

Lately this site has been porn for patent lawyer who happen to also like Apple products.
 

BC2009

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I think reading whether or not LG has a connection to the lawsuit into this is a bit of a stretch. Companies sell patents all the time and they are probably not going to go digging up old patents they sold off to encourage some patent troll to sue one of their biggest customers even if a competitor.

It looks like a solid claim, so Apple will have to find a way in which their OS dances around this claim (i.e.: does not do all the specified steps in the specified order -- since it seems that order may be intrinsic to this claim).

Also, if I were Apple I would be looking to potential prior art from Microsoft that has already been licensed by Apple.

But if Apple infringes this patent then they will need to pay up -- and likely Microsoft too since I think that Windows 2000 did the same thing.

EDIT: And here is how Apple would likely dance around this:

1. Mac's don't have POST
2. Mac's don't have BIOS (they have EFI)
 

Wildog27

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Oh for fu...

Ok, how about from now on, nobody ever invent anything else. Ever. That might solve all this patent crap.
 

samcraig

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Interesting to read this after reading responses to the patents Apple and the consortium bought - with the shoe on the other foot.

Companies buying other companies "innovations" so that they can be litigious or whatnot. Not good for the consumer in the long run no matter if it's Apple, Google or some small company who made the purchase...
 

*LTD*

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It is unclear, however, whether LG still has any stake in the patent in question, as the assignment on the patent has changed hands multiple times dating back to 2004. LG initially passed the patent off to a company known as Microconnect LLC, but the patent was subsequently passed along to firms by the names of Protimus Technologies LLC and ANPA Inc while also being reissued once along the way. The patent lawsuit has been brought by a Florida-based company called Operating Systems Solutions LLC, which appears to be a previously-unknown entity that may have been created specifically for the purposes of the lawsuit.

Apple's $80 billion war chest is more than just a cash hoard.

It's a magnet. For stuff like this.

And it'll be an even bigger one as Apple expands and extends their power in the market.

It appears LG is either sponsoring patent-trolls or they're creating shell-companies as a front.

This is very fishy.
 

Steve121178

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How you can even patent an idea to 'Fast Booting' a computer is beyond me, if the judge has any clue this patent will be invalidated.

Can you explain in detail why the judge should invalidate this claim? You obviously have detailed knowledge on this particular patent to have made such a comment.
 

SeanMcg

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1. Mac's don't have POST
2. Mac's don't have BIOS (they have EFI)

While I agree with the second point, I'll have to disagree on the first. If you don't get that wonderful sound when you turn on your Mac, it has failed the power on self test.

However, the fact that this patent hasn't been defended or enforced for a decade would have to throw some question to the viability of this suit.
 

AriX

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1. Mac's don't have POST
2. Mac's don't have BIOS (they have EFI)

Macs absolutely do have POST. And they also have BIOS (they use EFI primarily, but there is also a 100% BIOS-compatible mode - how do you think people boot their Macs into Windows?).
 

Steve121178

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Apple's $80 billion war chest is more than just a cash hoard.

It's a magnet. For stuff like this.

And it'll be an even bigger one as Apple expands and extends their power in the market.

It appears LG is either sponsoring patent-trolls or they're creating shell-companies as a front.

This is very fishy.

Or shock horror, it could be a legitimate claim! Imagine that! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 

coder12

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Is this how it still works in Lion? Doesn't it display a GUI with login credentials before a large portion of things are loaded?
 

PsyD4Me

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people amaze me, so it's ok for Apple to sue over patents and all the fanboys support it, but when Apple gets sued all the fanboys say that Apple is incapable of intellectual theft, please....
 
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