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It's been covered that possible breaking and entering, theft, etc. have to be prosecuted, no matter whether you feel it hurts anyone's business.

Some crimes are prosecuted without need of a criminal complaint. Some require a criminal complaint.

It's irrelevant for civil lawsuits, which are initiated by a plaintiff. Proving damages is part of the burden of proof of the plaintiff.

Note that even if damages cannot be determined it doesn't mean the lawsuit fails: the plaintiff can still request to be awarded e.g. nominal damages or an injunction against the defendant.
 
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A lot of mentions on Gurman and Ming-chi Kuo. I believe both of them are of different situations as to most "leakers" on social media.

As for Gurman, he works for Bloomberg. There could be some sort of contract between Apple and Bloomberg such that Apple intentionally shares certain information via Bloomberg to access public sentiments.

As for Ming-chi Kuo, he is a supply chain analyst. And so far his presentation of information is outside Apple's control.
 
I mean other than the theft of trade secrets you may be right.....


Anybody who cares about what shape of the new camera button is a captive audience anyway, how does this actual harm their business? Hard to see how it impacts sales in any way.

Nobody is surprised or amazed by anything Apple does anymore and almost everything they do leaks. Hard to believe some of it isn't deliberate.

'Oh no the new camera button has leaked' :eek: It's an absolute nothing burger.


Too late for apologies, if you were a man to expose the leak be a man to face the lawsuit and stop baby crying

Hope Apple takes the same attitude when regulators are dismantling their App Store
 
A lot of mentions on Gurman and Ming-chi Kuo. I believe both of them are of different situations as to most "leakers" on social media.

As for Gurman, he works for Bloomberg. There could be some sort of contract between Apple and Bloomberg such that Apple intentionally shares certain information via Bloomberg to access public sentiments.

As for Ming-chi Kuo, he is a supply chain analyst. And so far his presentation of information is outside Apple's control.

As someone who doesn't believe in the postfactual, I believe things when they have been independently observed.

Gurman: There are better ways to gauge public sentiment than to leak information to one and the same person all the time, and only one day before release of the product in many cases. What I would find plausible is that he has an agreement with Bloomberg that shield him from civil liability.

Ming-chi Kuo: If you believe that Gurman can be controlled by Apple (for which we have no evidence and which would be ineffective, see above), what makes you think they can't control him also?


One major difference is that they're both acting mature. Judging from that podcast, which I was only able to stand for 10 minutes or so, Prosser is of a different type.
 
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Gee whiz, couldn't possibly have to do anything that Gurman hasn't done anything criminal.

This has come up about 23487927834902378409278347 times in this thread now.

I wonder if they're going after Ming-chi Kuo now? <^___^>
Gurman leaks what Apple will release in their wwdc or in the next quarter or two. And he’s been right much more than he’s been wrong. That information is based obviously on inside sources.

But the information is still Apple trade secrets. If Apple wanted to put a stop to Gurman’s leaks, they *could*. But they haven’t so what does that suggest ?
 
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Everyone on this forum who publicly reports a bug or a expresses a like regarding beta software is breaking Apple’s confidentiality agreement, signed by default on installing. None of us are “without sin” when it comes to throwing stones at leakers.
Worth getting out the popcorn though.
 
Okay, I'm not a lawyer. Then reduce it to Apple having to file such a complaint.

They can and did in the past for the case of the "lost" iPhone 4 prototype. They have no control on prosecution following through though.

In that case the involved publisher was never charged but the seller of the device and a facilitator did get prosecuted and convicted.
 
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Gurman leaks what Apple will release in their wwdc or in the next quarter or two. And he’s been right much more than he’s been wrong. That information is based obviously on inside sources.

But the information is still Apple trade secrets. If Apple wanted to put a stop to Gurman’s leaks, they *could*. But they haven’t so what does that suggest ?
That you didn't read the complaint. It's easy to follow, I suggest you read it.

As far as anyone knows, Gurman has not expended the same willfully damaging or criminal effort.
 
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Everyone on this forum who publicly reports a bug or a expresses a like regarding beta software is breaking Apple’s confidentiality agreement, signed by default on installing. None of us are “without sin” when it comes to throwing stones at leakers.
Worth getting out the popcorn though.
Developers are not hired by Apple, not required to be in control of their development devices all the time, are not provided training on how to protect their devices etc. etc.

Read the complaint, it's not difficult.

Edit: You're right though in that technically, it's a violation to discuss OS beta software publicly, but they've allowed people to do that for at least more than a decade or so. Also, the actual beta versions (not the dev ones, even through a dev one can be promoted to a beta after a week or so) are called public betas even by Apple itself, so...
 
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Developers are not hired by Apple, not required to be in control of their development devices all the time, are not provided training on how to protect their devices etc. etc.

Read the complaint, it's not difficult.
Yes the employee was fired for not controlling his phone. Prosser is being sued for doing what we all do, publishing details of protected software, he just got in a tad early. We all agree to beta NDAs when installing, including developers.
Edit: Read your edit. I agree.
Also there is the thing about profiting from the breach. We don't 😂
 
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Anybody who cares about what shape of the new camera button is a captive audience anyway, how does this actual harm their business? Hard to see how it impacts sales in any way.

Nobody is surprised or amazed by anything Apple does anymore and almost everything they do leaks. Hard to believe some of it isn't deliberate.

'Oh no the new camera button has leaked' :eek: It's an absolute nothing burger.
You're completely missing the point. It's not about the shape of a button or a shade color of the ui. It's all about Jon Prosser knowingly and illegally obtaining confidential Apple information and then asininely boasting about it.

Whether or not it impacts Apple's sales or harms them is immaterial. Prosser committed a probable fellony and should be held to account for doing so.
 
dude's so mega****ed. imagine the legal bills. got raped by the apple.
 
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