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You have to be very carfull about what a "modified Mac OS X" is Much os what Apple calls "Mac OS X" is open source softwae that anyone is free to use. In fact I'd say half of the cose inside Mac OS is BSD UNIX. Apple did add on a nice pretty user interface. The question is which part of Mac OS did Pystar modify? If it is BSD Unix then Apple is in trouble.

That said, my gues is that what Pystar is giving out is a combination of Apple and BSD code and it is the Apple bits that are the problem

Obviously they modified the OS X stuff.
 
I don't really want a mid-range tower. I don't see the need for Apple to gain mass marketshare. All Apple computers have fast enough hardware so they all perform reliably. You can't walk out of an Apple Store with a new computer that will be slow and useless. You CAN bring home a $300 Dell that will hardly run Windows XP smoothly, and won't run Vista at all. I don't want that low-end or mid-range Mac. I want all Macs to be fast and reliable.
 
That's the nice thing about the whole Psystar thing - it showed Apple that if they don't have a low cost computer running OS X - someone else will... :eek:
now they will have low cost and low end machine. the point psystar was making, that it's possible to build powerful machines 1/3 of the cost. they were NOT making mini clones.

i assume nothing will change and apple will continue to offer memory at 4x times and gfx (like 8800gt) 2x the industry standard picing. :eek:
 
Good. We don't want this sort of rubbish damaging the apple brand...!

Though we quite clearly do want a mid ranged tower... produce that apple!

Correction... YOU want a mid ranged tower. I have no interest whatsoever in a midrange tower.

What's the big deal about a midrange tower anyway? The slots for your own video card? That I can sort of understand, although the smallest Mac Pro should be more than adequate for things like that, right? Or are you too cheap to cough up the dough for a baby Mac Pro?
 
People need some cheaper options if Apple cares to grow to the masses. .

i totally disagree

some stupid person will buy one of these systems for cheep to give apple a chance, the system will be horrible, have no support and have tons of issues

said person will blame apple for this and speak poorly of them

apple is smart by getting rid of these guys because it will sour their name
 
I would like to purchase a mid range tower (Power Mac getting old), but instead I'll have to choose between a build my own hackintosh or a Mac Pro (which i really don't need).

The thing is that the Power Mac was a fair bit cheaper than the Mac Pro, which has caused a big gap now. I need something that can handle 4 hard drives and an Optical drive, with a few PCI-Express slots and an upgradable graphics card.
 
Broken no laws?

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as far as I can tell they have not broken any actual laws yet.

Copyright is a law. Let's say I wrote a novel. You start distributing a novel with the same words, but a different ending. And you don't ask my permission, nor do I give it to you. That's against the law. You owe me a ton of cash. Distributing the Apple OS with modifications to allow it to run on your hardware? Uh-uh.

Apple's never going to go after hackers who even distribute MacIntel hacks on pirate boards, as long as they're not too naked about it. But a company that proposes to make money, and uses hacked OSes to do it? Nuh-uh.

I agree with everyone else that Apple should make a $1,000, no-frills tower. But just because you don't agree with their marketing plan doesn't give you the right to distribute a hacked OS commercially.
 
now they will have low cost and low end machine. the point psystar was making, that it's possible to build powerful machines 1/3 of the cost. they were NOT making mini clones.

i assume nothing will change and apple will continue to offer memory at 4x times and gfx (like 8800gt) 2x the industry standard picing. :eek:


You mean it is possible to buy 4Gigs of Memory for LESS THAN $300??
:shocking:


Here's hoping psystar continues to sell comparable product with the world's best OS installed - at a price much much less.

It worked for Wal-Mart, why not for Psystar.
 
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as far as I can tell they have not broken any actual laws yet.

First off they aren't being arrested. They are being sued for copyright infringement. Apple waited until they made changes to the O/S before taking action. Modifying any part of an O/S without permission is called copyright infringement. And reverse engineering protected intellectual property then modifying it falls in that catagory.

Good for Apple.
 
AFAIK, they were selling computers with a modified version of OS X that circumvented hardware controls in order to install on non-Apple hardware, as well as breaching the EULA terms and conditions. I think that's called copyright infringement.

Edit: Seems AlphaAnt got to it first... Sorry bout the dupe post.

As has been previously mentioned, the enforcibility of EULAs in court is questionable. Both Apple and Psystar are on shakey legal ground. However, the point of the suit isn't to get money. It's to get Psystar to settle by agreeing not to make any more clones.. Psystar will settle because they don't have the money to afford legal representation throughout a lengthy civil trial. Apple also avoids having the legality of their EULA tested in court in this scenario.
 
You are right about the Unix! AND, most of the drivers out are Unix, or some version thereof. Not proprietary to Apple. So, if Psystar just included Unix Hardware drivers in with Mac OS X, then what will be the battle? Is it the OS X itself, is it the DVD with OSX, or was it just installing the right drivers during the installation of the OSX? If they were shipping the OS X intact, then the question is did they really violate anything. Maybe that's why it's a civil suite. I don't have enough knowledge to make that educated judgement analysis.
 
Copyright is a law. Let's say I wrote a novel. You start distributing a novel with the same words, but a different ending. And you don't ask my permission, nor do I give it to you. That's against the law. You owe me a ton of cash. Distributing the Apple OS with modifications to allow it to run on your hardware? Uh-uh.

Apple's never going to go after hackers who even distribute MacIntel hacks on pirate boards, as long as they're not too naked about it. But a company that proposes to make money, and uses hacked OSes to do it? Nuh-uh.

I agree with everyone else that Apple should make a $1,000, no-frills tower. But just because you don't agree with their marketing plan doesn't give you the right to distribute a hacked OS commercially.


That will be the big question then -- has the OS been modified by Psystar to run on their computers?
 
Here's hoping Psystar gets a victory in this matter.
Amen. Not that I particularly like Psystar as a company (they seem sketchy as hell...I certainly wouldn't buy their machines), but any ruling against DMCA bullsh*t is a victory in my book. And as an aside, who pronounces "psystar" as "sister?" Or was that a joke (well, sans the humor).
 
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