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Initially, no. They were running an unmodified version of OSX over what is basically an EFI emulation layer. In the newest patch, Pystar introduced a slightly modified version of OSX. Modifying code without consent is a violation of copyright.

So that explains why they took so long to act! They only just got them in their new release!

Clever clever Apple, changing 10.5.4 so they needed to patch it for it to work...
 
Too bad. They were meeting a need of the marketplace that Apple ignored. Hopefully Apple will stop being so stupid and give people what their asking for: a mid-range tower. :eek:
 
Sounds to me like the first system they sold didn't modify OS X and thus Apple was having difficulty finding a way to sue them.

It looks like they knew the day would come when they needed to modify something and they were just waiting for it to happen...legal plan in place, ready to spring.

I'm sure they guaranteed the timing by having an Apple lawyer place the order :)
 
It has begun... :eek:

Someone always says something like that to every news topic.

"New iPhones 3G released today"
"It has begun!"

"MacBook Pro casing photos leaked"
"It has begun!"

"Apps store opens"
"It has begun!"

"Intel Announces Montevina"
"It has begun!"

Enough already. Of course it has, otherwise there wouldn't be a topic. :p
 
We'll see if Pystar's gamble paid off or if they'll end up losing money. Either way, who would actually buy one of these boxes now? Support was just risky before; now it's doubtful.

Pystar's gamble would have never paid off if making money was their goal. If making a statement of the myopic scope of Apple's hardware and how they're basically wasting the marvel Mac OS X was their goal, maybe.
 
Don't you dare say that you liked the Quadra/Performa/Centris years better.

Those were the years! When apple cared about its customers, when apple created quality hardware, when apple had a stable and very simple OS that far beyond windows.

Also there was a great variety of hardware to choose from:
Quadra/Mac II: High End (Mac Pro)
Centris: Mid Range ---- Missing Range!!!
Performa/LC/Classic: Low end (iMac/Mac Mini)
PowerBook: Laptop (Mac Book Pro)

Later the Quadra/Centris merged into the Power Mac range, which had Mid Range to High End computers.
 
Someone always says something like that to every news topic.

"New iPhones 3G released today"
"It has begun!"

"MacBook Pro casing photos leaked"
"It has begun!"

"Apps store opens"
"It has begun!"

"Intel Announces Montevina"
"It has begun!"

Enough already. Of course it has, otherwise there wouldn't be a topic. :p

Ha! :p

"I am sitting on the toilet"
"It has begun"
:D
 
Oh well.... I was rooting for Psystar since Apple seems reluctant to upgrade the Mac mini or to come out with a headless replacement for the super glossy iMac.:mad:
 
Too bad. They were meeting a need of the marketplace that Apple ignored. Hopefully Apple will stop being so stupid and give people what their asking for: a mid-range tower. :eek:

No they won't. Apple hates inexpensive computers for poor people. Let them eat Windoze.
 
Oh well.... I was rooting for Psystar since Apple seems reluctant to upgrade the Mac mini or to come out with a headless replacement for the super glossy iMac.:mad:

Lots of people were. But don't worry, Psystar may ultimately win this if Apple just comes out with the hardware lines they were ignoring... the win being a moral victory, of course. I doubt Psystar can win legally but I'll certainly be rooting for them.
 
This, in the end, is about our rights, it is bigger than Apple and Mac OS. We should all be on Psystar's side, they represent our freedom of choice.

That's complete crap.

You don't have the right to buy a hacked version of copyrighted material. You DO have freedom of choice, you can buy a mac or you can buy a windows machine - if you don't like the way Apple does things, you exercise your right to buy a computer from someone else.

Enough with the "rights" and "freedom of choice" nonsense. That's like saying that Honda charges too much so Ford should be able to manufacture the Prius.

This is the foundation of anti-trust: The lack of choice for end users. And I'm sure Psystar will use this argument as their first line of defense. (Notwitshtanding that anti-trust also means the inability for a competitor to compete - but is that an argument in a closed market such as Mac?)

Nope. With 90% of the computer market going to windows, there is obviously choice. Antitrust only applies in the case of a monopoly, since apple is nowhere remotely close to one, any case based on "antitrust" will get laughed at.

Redistribution of copyrighted material is NOT AGAINST ANY LAW. Otherwise, all used book/record stores would be in a ******** of trouble.

Let me clarify, they are redistributing copyrighted material that they have modified, and in violation of the terms under which it is sold.

What they are doing is comparable to a record store ripping songs from a CD, creating their own remixes and selling them. Do you really think that is legal?
 
Finally. Hope these pirates go bankrupt and then some (they included a piece of software that is available for non-commercial use in their system).

Keep in mind you can buy Mac Pro for $2000 in refurb store. (Sometimes $1800 models are available but sell out quickly).

Not the market for someone who just wants a simple expandable $600-$700mid tower without getting raped by Apple.
 
thank god... the whole basis behind their company was a slap in the face to apple's EULA. more than that, though, i'm glad to see that those crappy computers aren't going to be sold to people thinking they're going to be getting a good, cheap apple computer. cheap, yeah... good, probably not so much.

i'm sorry to those people out there that just wanted a cheap apple computer that's upgradeable, but with such a blatant disregard for apple's terms and conditions, i'm glad to see psystar go.
 
That's complete crap.

You don't have the right to buy a hacked version of copyrighted material. You DO have freedom of choice, you can buy a mac or you can buy a windows machine - if you don't like the way Apple does things, you exercise your right to buy a computer from someone else.

Enough with the "rights" and "freedom of choice" nonsense. That's like saying that Honda charges too much so Ford should be able to manufacture the Prius.

Wrong. That's like saying I could buy a Ford and modify it with batteries to make it more like a Prius. You probably think I shouldn't be allowed to, don't you. :rolleyes:

Nope. With 90% of the computer market going to windows, there is obviously choice. Antitrust only applies in the case of a monopoly, since apple is nowhere remotely close to one, any case based on "antitrust" will get laughed at.



Let me clarify, they are redistributing copyrighted material that they have modified, and in violation of the terms under which it is sold.

What they are doing is comparable to a record store ripping songs from a CD, creating their own remixes and selling them. Do you really think that is legal?

If you're required to buy a full copy of the CD (in this case, Leopard) like everyone is doing, I really don't see the problem.

I can record/remix do whatever I want with a CD I've purchased. Why not with software?
 
I don't really want a mid-range tower. I don't see the need for Apple to gain mass marketshare. All Apple computers have fast enough hardware so they all perform reliably. You can't walk out of an Apple Store with a new computer that will be slow and useless. You CAN bring home a $300 Dell that will hardly run Windows XP smoothly, and won't run Vista at all. I don't want that low-end or mid-range Mac. I want all Macs to be fast and reliable.

I, I, I, I. It really is all about you. :rolleyes:
 
What's the big deal about a midrange tower anyway? The slots for your own video card? That I can sort of understand, although the smallest Mac Pro should be more than adequate for things like that, right? Or are you too cheap to cough up the dough for a baby Mac Pro?

Hell yeah I'm too cheap for that! A bottom-of-the-line Mac Pro costs $2,300, and it's much larger than I want as well. It's crazy to spend that much when all I need is basically a Mac Mini with a better video card. Just because you personally don't have a need for that is no justification for asserting that it's not an important hole in Apple's product line. The fact that it gets mentioned so much is proof that a lot of people do want it.
 
Wrong. That's like saying I could buy a Ford and modify it with batteries to make it more like a Prius. You probably think I shouldn't be allowed to, don't you. :rolleyes:

YOU, an individual end consumer, can probably do anything you want. Psystar isn't an individual customer, they are a corporation hacking and reselling. Get the difference.

If you're required to buy a full copy of the CD (in this case, Leopard) like everyone is doing, I really don't see the problem.

The problem is that copyright law forbids distribution of derivative works. You can't create new material from copyrighted material and distribute it without permission from the original author.


I can record/remix do whatever I want with a CD I've purchased. Why not with software?

Again, you can do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home. But if you try to sell remixes you created from a copyrighted CD, that IS illegal and you could get busted for it.
 
Hell yeah I'm too cheap for that! A bottom-of-the-line Mac Pro costs $2,300, and it's much larger than I want as well. It's crazy to spend that much when all I need is basically a Mac Mini with a better video card. Just because you personally don't have a need for that is no justification for asserting that it's not an important hole in Apple's product line. The fact that it gets mentioned so much is proof that a lot of people do want it.

Whats wrong with a iMac? Im not saying its not a hole in the product line, but it sounds like you need a base iMac to me.

I dont see why Apple dosent just make the damn thing! They will get more money and increase their marketshare by GIVING CUSTOMERS WHAT THEY WANT!
 
I wonder how many machines PsyStar has sold to get Apple's atention...

or

perhaps Apple bought one itsef for testing: "Holly cr***, this thing 'actually works' !!!"

or

perhaps Apple finally is releasing a 'mid/mini/nano/whatever headless mac' very soon and doesn't want any dubious competition on its debut date.

Since I hate AIO and since I see no future for a decent mini/midi in Apple's plan, my wishes go to Pystar *and* these fellows:

http://www.efi-x.com/
 
Or are you too cheap to cough up the dough for a baby Mac Pro?

Yeah, well a baby Mac Pro is not so f*****g cheap. Not everyone can afford it. You can get a half decent graphics card here in the UK for £50-100 and a fast enough computer to stick it in for about half the price of the cheapest Mac Pro.

Psystar were wrong to do what they did but I think Apple does need to introduce something between a Mac Mini and iMac with the computing power of a MacBook or MacBook Pro.

I think a lot of people would rather buy this. A slightly more powerful Mac Mini-type PC that you are able to add 3rd Party Graphics Cards to.

But then comes the question of you not being able to run that many games on a PC with laptop processor equivalent speeds.

And anyone wanting to add additional graphics cards etc will probs have a Mac Pro anyway.

I think for the time being the best option is to game on Windows it's a lot cheaper!

Cheers
 
So much in-fighting...

It's fairly obvious that anyone choosing a computer (on any operating system) wants first and foremost two things:

Reliability and Choice.

Unfortunately Apple isn't what it once was in either aspect. I can't count the new machines to flawlessly for half a decade or more like my old PowerMacs. The super thin designs are too fragile and the legacy PowerPC support is dragging leopard down in the reliability aspect as well.

OSX and Mac are made for each other. And that's the way it should stay.

There is little difference anymore besides the EFI ROM chip and the casing.
 
Apple has the right to sue them but Im sad that they are. People need some cheaper options if Apple cares to grow to the masses. Maybe if they would update the damn MINI I would not care about Hackintosh systems as much..
Maybe we will finally get the "xMac" when Snow Leopard is released. If Mac OS X 10.6 is going after the enterprise market, Apple has to know they need a model that will appeal to businesses. I am sure the Mac mini and iMac can take care of the majority of uses they would be used for, but the "problems" with them are their form factors. The Mac mini is not upgradable and the iMac is an all-in-one (i.e. when the computer goes, so goes to monitor).
 
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