Apple Suggests Possible Conspiracy Behind Psystar

[arjaosx]

Maybe the lawyers think they can get lots of $$$ from Apple somehow, with $25 billion or so in the bank they are an attractive target, even if the lawyers only get 10% of a few hundred million it is an attractive settlement opportunity.

Not saying Apple/Psystar are right/wrong, but gees, lawyers don't need much encouragement if $$$ are in the offing.

I agree with your observation. The lawyers have a history of success with Apple and since Apple, despite the downtrend is gaining profit makes for an attractive target thus the motivation.

But this is an interesting angle to look at. A tip of the iceberg sort of thingy.

 

[ProwlingTiger]

Um, can I get a bit of credit here?

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6703210/

WHO IS FUNDING PYSTAR'S LAWYER TEAM?!

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6707576/

Exactly, my fellow MR friend. Its good someone here realizes why we need Apple to win. I have almost NO doubt that they will lose. But...and I don't like to be conspiracist (sp), but what if Microsoft is funding Pystar? I'd question their money flow if they're standing up to Apple, a company with billions in excess cash lying around. They're a brave bunch and if I were Apple, I'd countersue after its ruled that Mac OS is tied to hardware. Countersue for all the sale money for each copy of Mac OS software they used.

Well, technically, I didn't call it exactly, yet. And I'm sure we were all thinking it. But, I mean it makes sense don't it? I put that much together fairly quickly after barely reading the thread title. Read the other posts in the original thread for more inspiring posts regarding the issue by other members.

 

[itcheroni]

Except... if lawyers got involved, the first thing they would have done is see if they have a case BEFORE selling the first machine. When you examine the issues, it becomes obvious to all but the most deluded that there is no case here. And BTW.... the Judge agrees and has already thrown out Psystar's counterclaims.

And if lawyers were involved, they would have given up as soon as their counterclaims were thrown out. The fact that this is being pursued in defiance of good legal sense suggests that the people behind this are not lawyers and are not even listening to their own lawyers.

The first thing they'd do is asked how they would be paid. As long as they're getting paid, they'll do (almost) anything you want them to.

 

[Tosser]

BTW I would not consider any of the current psystar line-up. But if they did they right thing and released a stinking fast laptop then F**k the apple formline and design give me a beast of a brick running OSX anyday!

Yup, and make it Thinkpad-rugged.

 

[ProwlingTiger]

Um, can I get a bit of credit here?

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6703210/


https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6707576/


Well, technically, I didn't call it exactly, yet. And I'm sure we were all thinking it. But, I mean it makes sense don't it? I put that much together fairly quickly after barely reading the thread title. Read the other posts in the original thread for more inspiring posts regarding the issue by other members.

As I believe I stated earlier, or meant to state in another thread, can we get a data analysis of Pystar's income?

 

[itcheroni]

I agree with your observation. The lawyers have a history of success with Apple and since Apple, despite the downtrend is gaining profit makes for an attractive target thus the motivation.

But this is an interesting angle to look at. A tip of the iceberg sort of thingy.

This isn't a class action suit. So, again, how will Psystar's lawyer's get damages from Apple?

 

[kas23]

OS X is copyrighted by Apple. No one has a right to it except Apple. The EULA is a license to use Apple's software: without it, you have zero right.

So the end of the EULA does not mean Apple's OS suddenly becomes available. Quite the opposite.

So is Pystar selling a computer with OS X already installed on it? Or, are they just selling a computer that can run OS X and OS X along with it, but you need to install it? Now, with the later option you wouldn't be able to fault Pystar for breaking the EULA, but the end user would be violating it.

 

[ivladster]

LOL its prolly Steve Ballmer himself wants a bite of

 

[Denarius]

In a way though, sooner or later Apple's Hardware/Software bundling issue is going to become an anti-competitive issue. Lets face it, a modern Mac is effectively an Intel PC with a little hardware tweak that enables them to lock the OS to the hardware. If Microsoft announced tomorrow that they wanted to make computers and were going to be locking Windows to their own hardware they'd be in court before you could say 'competition commission'.

I'm not so sure that Apple isn't possibly on a bit of a sticky wicket.

 

[rumplestiltskin]

Nope, wouldn't be Monkey-Boy. M$ stands to lose if Mac clones running OSX can be made legally.

Who stands to gain if Psystar prevails? Lots of hardware folks. Look to them.

 

[twoodcc]

well, looks like this lawsuit will just keep going and going

 

[freebooter]

i dont understand why this is an issue. OS X is a registered trademark of Apple. Psystar should get shut down. Simple as that...

Why can't a company (or individual) challenge claims by another company that restrict the use of legitimately purchased products? Psystar doesn't pirate OSX--it buys the OS and puts it to a use that Apple doesn't like because that threatens their hardware monopoly. If I want to use OSX (and I do because it's the best), I am currently forced to use Apple computers, semi-functional Hack-intoshs aside. Apple can't stand free market competition, and their over-priced, increasingly limited product line reflects it. Can you imagine if, say, Sony declared that to use their copyrighted movies, music and games one had to use Sony hardware, only. It's ridiculous.

The people behind Psystar see the opportunity to make some cash offering consumers additional hardware choices. Go Psystar!

 

[ProwlingTiger]

Um, I wonder why I can no longer view the amended document...odd.

 

[jschmit]

Psystar = Rats Spy

Has anyone pointed out how the letters of "Psystar" can spell out "Rats Spy"? Funny. It can also be "Star Spy" etc...

 

[Denarius]

Why can't a company (or individual) challenge claims by another company that restrict the use of legitimately purchased products? Psystar doesn't pirate OSX--it buys the OS and puts it to a use that Apple doesn't like because that threatens their hardware monopoly. If I want to use OSX (and I do because it's the best), I am currently forced to use Apple computers, semi-functional Hack-intoshs aside. Apple can't stand free market competition, and their over-priced, increasingly limited product line reflects it. Can you imagine if, say, Sony declared that to use their copyrighted movies, music and games one had to use Sony hardware, only. It's ridiculous.

The people behind Psystar see the opportunity to make some cash offering consumers additional hardware choices. Go Psystar!

I think Apple could still carry on selling hardware at a slightly higher price than the rest just for the funky case designs.

 

[NT1440]

@ freebooter

While i certainly dont have near a full understanding of the law, its because upon purchasing/using OSX u have to agree to the EULA, which states OSX can only be used on apple hardware

 

[r.j.s]

So is Pystar selling a computer with OS X already installed on it? Or, are they just selling a computer that can run OS X and OS X along with it, but you need to install it? Now, with the later option you wouldn't be able to fault Pystar for breaking the EULA, but the end user would be violating it.

They sell a computer with OS X preinstalled, you cannot install the retail DVD on it. You must get it preinstalled and to reinstall, you must use their restore DVD.

Can I load my own operating system?

Yes, you can order your Open Computer with whichever operating system you like and install your choice of operating systems afterwards. We do not provide support or assistance for the installation of OS X Leopard outside of our facilities at this point in time. Psystar also specifically supports the operating system that was ordered with your Open Computing product. We will be unable to support any OS X installations that did not originate from Psystar. If you would like to have OS X, or any other OS offered by Psystar, installed by Psystar on a later date you can do so by purchasing a hard drive and operating system from our online store.

Will you provide instructions on loading the Leopard operating system?

If you purchase Leopard with your Open Computer you will be able to receive a restore disc which will allow you to reinstall your Leopard OS X operating system directly from the original retail-packaged DVD which is included in your computer.

Source http://store.psystar.com/faqs/?frontend=5096c59b7efc731396641b4689fad98a#faq8

 

[Digitalclips]

...I smell Ballmer.

He does sweat a lot.

 

[NT1440]

They sell a computer with OS X preinstalled, you cannot install the retail DVD on it. You must get it preinstalled and to reinstall, you must use their restore DVD.

meaning most likely something is changed right?

 

[r.j.s]

meaning most likely something is changed right?

Most likely.

 

[goodcow]

Common Apple just license your OS already. I know so many people that want OS X, but just can't afford/justify the Apple tax.

Yeah Yeah I remember the Apple clones of the 90s, but this is a different age and time.

Apple can barely keep Leopard stable on under 100 fixed devices and you want them to open it up to the world? Yeah, I went there, I only use Macs personally and I find Windows abhorrent from a user experience point of view, but Vista IS stable. Leopard kernel panics on a wide variety of machines at work while the Vista machines are rock solid, and Leopard's networking is abysmal compared to Windows. Not to mention Finder is garbage compared to Explorer.

 

[SPUY767]

Why can't a company (or individual) challenge claims by another company that restrict the use of legitimately purchased products? Psystar doesn't pirate OSX--it buys the OS and puts it to a use that Apple doesn't like because that threatens their hardware monopoly. If I want to use OSX (and I do because it's the best), I am currently forced to use Apple computers, semi-functional Hack-intoshs aside. Apple can't stand free market competition, and their over-priced, increasingly limited product line reflects it. Can you imagine if, say, Sony declared that to use their copyrighted movies, music and games one had to use Sony hardware, only. It's ridiculous.

The people behind Psystar see the opportunity to make some cash offering consumers additional hardware choices. Go Psystar!

I don't think monopoly means what you think it means.

 

[robbyx]

Dell, for example, can't just come right out and put OS X on its computers. But, anonymously get behind a little "start-up" that ultimately wins a legal challenge...and you're free of the Microsoft monopoly.

If Psystar were to win, it would essentially render Apple a software company. Would Apple keep making hardware if, suddenly, Dell made OS X boxes? Could it?

Psystar is the bait. I don't doubt for a moment that third parties might be involved. After all, every PC manufacturer would benefit BIG TIME from a Psystar win. The real losers would be Apple - and Microsoft. Not only could PC manufacturers use the threat of offering OS X as leverage, but many would no doubt offer it regardless of how Microsoft felt. Watch those Windows numbers fall off a cliff...

Interesting indeed!

 

[hajime]

Common Apple just license your OS already. I know so many people that want OS X, but just can't afford/justify the Apple tax... .

Some of us also do not like the poor quality control of Apple hardware in recent years.

 

[SPUY767]

Apple can barely keep Leopard stable on under 100 fixed devices and you want them to open it up to the world? Yeah, I went there, I only use Macs personally and I find Windows abhorrent from a user experience point of view, but Vista IS stable. Leopard kernel panics on a wide variety of machines at work while the Vista machines are rock solid, and Leopard's networking is abysmal compared to Windows. Not to mention Finder is garbage compared to Explorer.