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TBH, I agree - so.. what are they using... Linux... or Microsoft Windows... or a custom OS?

I thought it was Linux. Can't recall or find a link. It ain't OSX thats 4 sure. Hey Pixar doesn't use OSX haha they use custom stuff. Kind of funny.
 
The Xoom looks nothing like an iPad. Android looks nothing like iOS. When you can't innovate, litigate.

It's all about brand image. It's a low blow, but that's today's world. If Motorola was on top and Apple was chasing, you would see Motorola do the same thing. Easy for every consumer to think Apple is all bad and evil when Apple is basically protecting their bread and butter. If you haven't noticed, it's the world's most valuable company. You would do the same thing.
 
Actually they were the first to come up with that form factor.

The form factor being a thick black bezel on touch device. No one else had done this before and everyone else has since.

Maybe I am wrong, but I thought the first touch device with a thick bezel(black or grey) was those keyboard-less HPee and Compaq tablet that ran Wind'ohs from 9 years ago. Granted they were kind of notepad like with their pen support, it still was a tablet similar to the glorious iPad, no?
 
just sue everybody into the ground, destroy the competition! all hail micro$oft, err I mean $pple.
 
just sue everybody into the ground, destroy the competition! all hail micro$oft, err I mean $pple.

We can't say hail Apple until they drop intel and the x86 architecture in favor of something legitimate and not a dead horse.
 
We can't say hail Apple until they drop intel and the x86 architecture in favor of something legitimate and not a dead horse.
I thought PowerPC was a dead horse.

They are no other viable platforms other than x86 currently. ARM will have to wait.
 
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Will Apple sue Archos? Ptetty sure they've been in the tablet game longer than Apple with a similar design.
 
Not you, but the general public does. During last Superbowl, a new Xoom ad played, and almost everyone in the room said: "Look, a new iPad commercial!".

Remember when Microsoft sued Lindows just because their name was too close to Windows to confuse people? Well, as ridiculous it may sound, Microsoft won the trial, and Lindows had to change their name to Linspire.

Once a case sets a precedent, there's great chance that in newer cases the Plaintiff will win the trial.

I bet we could see the same thing happen in any market where one actor has a strong association with a specific format: "Look a new Ford commercial", back in the days for example.

Disclaimer: I know squat about car history, but you should be able to get the point.

Im also sure that an Apple ad couldve been mistaken for "the new Microsoft ad" or whatever, so yeah.. your point doesnt really hold. The mere fact that Apple is strongly associated with a format does not give them exclusive right to said format. It means just that; wicked brand recognition, just like cars and Ford back then (i guess).

Edit: Would be funny if Compaq sued Apple for mimicking their iPAQ brand-wise.
 
Remember when Microsoft sued Lindows just because their name was too close to Windows to confuse people? Well, as ridiculous it may sound, Microsoft won the trial, and Lindows had to change their name to Linspire.

Seems you don't remember when Microsoft sued Lindows to me. Microsoft didn't win that particular piece of litigation, in fact, they came quite close to losing. So yes, it sounds quite ridiculous and it almost cost Microsoft a lot.

In the end, they paid off Lindows to change their name and ended the litigation in settlement to prevent from losing :

Microsoft v. Lindows
As early as 2002, a court rejected Microsoft's claims, stating that Microsoft had used the term "windows" to describe graphical user interfaces before the product, Windows, was ever released, and the windowing technique had already been implemented by Xerox and Apple many years before.[4] Microsoft kept seeking retrial, but in February 2004, a judge rejected two of Microsoft's central claims.[5] The judge denied Microsoft's request for a preliminary injunction and raised "serious questions" about Microsoft's trademark. Microsoft feared a court may define "Windows" as generic and result in the loss of its status as a trademark.

Might want to work on those historical facts before you try to use them next time. ;)
 
After wading through this thread I decided to check out the original document filed to the court about the galaxy.

Apple claims exactly 7 Designelements to be violated:

(i) ein rechteckiges Produkt mit vier gleichmäßig gerundeten Ecken;
(ii) eine flache, klare Oberfläche, welche die Vorderseite des Produkts abdeckt;
(iii) die Ansicht einer metallischen Einfassung um die flache, klare Oberfläche;
(iv) ein Display, welches unter der klaren Oberfläche zentriert ist;
(v) unter der klaren Oberfläche befinden sich deutliche, neutrale gehaltene
Begrenzungen auf allen Seiten des Displays; und
(vi) wenn das Produkt eingeschaltet ist, farbige Icons innerhalb des Displays.
Darüber hinaus kopiert das Tab 10.1 das markante dünne Profil des iPad 2.

I'll try my best to translate this for those not speaking german:

(i) a rectangular Product with 4 evenly rounded edges
(ii) a flat clear surface covering the front of the product
(iii) the view of a metallic frame around the flat,clear surface
(iv) a display, which is centered below the clear surface
(v) under the clear surface there is a distinct, neutral boundry on all sides of the display
(vi) if the product is tured on, it shows colored icons on the display
Plus the Tab 10.1 copys the remarkable thin profile of the iPad

Now looking at this list and checking the original document that apple filed to protect its design (http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001) I would point out that neither the iPad nor the iPad 2 look very much like the "protected" design (just like the Tab 10.1 does not either) combining this with the broken german injunction system ...

but I'll let you be the judge if those claimed design elements are worthy of protection or maybe and just maybe they have been around for some time (even with tablets)
Toshiba-T100.jpg
(1996)
 
This is getting ridiculous.

Did Apple patent rectangle or touch screen? Anyone else other than Steve Jobs notice any resemblance between Xoom and iPad?:rolleyes:

"Touch screen" is not just one thing, like many like to make it seem. Apple has a very speicific type of touch screen, which happens to also be in the Xoom and all other major tablets. So yes, they are infringing.
 
"Touch screen" is not just one thing, like many like to make it seem. Apple has a very speicific type of touch screen, which happens to also be in the Xoom and all other major tablets. So yes, they are infringing.

Apple uses off the shelf parts for that, the displays are produced by Samsung and LG and simply bought and used by Apple. But this is not about the touch screen at all, it really is Apple claiming to have IP relating to any object that is rectangle with rounded corners and displays colored icons :

http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001
 
"Touch screen" is not just one thing, like many like to make it seem. Apple has a very speicific type of touch screen, which happens to also be in the Xoom and all other major tablets. So yes, they are infringing.

Apple now owns the capacitive touchscreen. I learn something new here every day!:cool:
 
After wading through this thread I decided to check out the original document filed to the court about the galaxy.

Apple claims exactly 7 Designelements to be violated:



I'll try my best to translate this for those not speaking german:

(i) a rectangular Product with 4 evenly rounded edges
(ii) a flat clear surface covering the front of the product
(iii) the view of a metallic frame around the flat,clear surface
(iv) a display, which is centered below the clear surface
(v) under the clear surface there is a distinct, neutral boundry on all sides of the display
(vi) if the product is tured on, it shows colored icons on the display
Plus the Tab 10.1 copys the remarkable thin profile of the iPad

Now looking at this list and checking the original document that apple filed to protect its design (http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001) I would point out that neither the iPad nor the iPad 2 look very much like the "protected" design (just like the Tab 10.1 does not either) combining this with the broken german injunction system ...

but I'll let you be the judge if those claimed design elements are worthy of protection or maybe and just maybe they have been around for some time (even with tablets)
Image(1996)

So, based on all of this couldn't a Wind'ohs based manufacture sue Apple for the same thing(well maybe not the thinness and metallic edge part) as they've had device like the ipad for 9+ years now? Sure those devices were pure garbage(that's what you get for using Wind'ohs, and running an x86 architecture), and it wasn't being marketed towards the general consumer; but, it still came out before the ipad with a similar look to what Apple is suing others for. Or am I not seeing something here?
 
While there are vehicules without 4 wheels, the 4 wheel vehicule is quite normal and natural and pre-dates the motor-car.
If you talk about coaches - yes. But they're an invention on their own, being pre-dated by one-axis/two-wheel vehicles (usually powered by 1 or more animals like oxes or horses).

Stability and space. 4 wheels, one of each corner is the most stable configuration that provides the most load bearing and interior space.
The most stable configuration generally is sitting on one or 3 points, not four.

A more or less square box with four wheels (one on each corner) is simply the most practical (read: economic) approach for mass-production, driven by simple technical requirements (e.g. common axis for the most economic connection of the axle driving shafts).

And then there is the habit - people are not allowed to _think_ about leaving the path where companies have lots of experience already. A big company usually is afraid of experiments (especially in the car sector).

One could probably win foot space if there would be only one front wheel running in the middle; there would be more room to enter the car without the wheels being in the way (especially for rear seat passengers) and probably some more aspects, that simply do not get investigated because car companies are traditionally ultra-conservative.

I could imagine that with the advent of decentral propulsion (e.g. electro motors flanged to each wheel individually, thus no need anymore to have the wheels aligned on a common axis for the most effective way of connecting the axle driving shafts) we might eventually start to see completely new concepts.

Same goes for a tablet: a flat rectangle is the most practical (economic) approach for mass production - but you would be free to make it e.g. a flat square or add some bells and whistles to it (like the bezel sitting on top of the glass plate, sporting additional buttons etc. - which is how early attempts of Tablet PC's actually looked like). The problem would be only that you'd need dedicated parts produced only (mostly) for you, which would increase your component price drastically compared to a hugely scaled mass production of "standard" rectangular screens with little to no external buttons, having everything inside the OS/on the screen!

Before Apple introduced the iPad, no-one went that way, simply because there was no OS available that would have allowed to do without quite some external buttons. Apple was brave enough to trail the path and actually patented its way of having a dedicated OS developed exclusively to drive touch-screen-based devices (it doesn't matter that they used a spin-off of OSX - iOS has lots of man-years R&D in it).

After Apple's success other companies tried to jump onto the bandwagon instead of sticking to their alternative paths (TabletPC, SlatePC, UMPC etc. etc.) or developing completely new approaches (e.g. have a metallic bezel sitting on top of the touch glass, have a coloured bezel (e.g. dark red for Samsung as found on their TV's), have a color-changing bezel reacting to machine conditions, have a screen-protecting flap, have touch buttons all around the bezel, have a separate entry touch screen in - say - the lower quarter of the screen, have the tablet back coloured and / or made of plastic, and so on and so on). They would have had lots of possibilities even within the rectangular form factor - but they chose to simply imitate the most popular device on the market, trying to participate from its "Halo" effect.

If four wheels on a car (including their positioning) didnt make sense, we would see companies pushing other (better) designs. Are we? No.
1. It was an (intentionally absurd) example.
2. I was talking about vehicles, not cars.
3. There are lots of vehicles with more or less than 4 wheels
4. The positioning also isn't the same on each of them, not even on the 4-wheelers (think of buses or small trucks, where the body reaches some 1-2 meter or more beyond the rear wheels...).
5. Companies are indeed looking into three-wheelers (e.g. the Mercedes F-300 Life-Jet from 1997 as one well-known representative of the Tilting Three-Wheelers category) - such cars promise less fuel consumption, more dynamic street performance, increased curve stability, less weight etc. etc.
 
If you talk about coaches - yes. But they're an invention on their own, being pre-dated by one-axis/two-wheel vehicles (usually powered by 1 or more animals like oxes or horses).

Don't oxen and horses have 4 points of contact with the surface, at the outer corners of a rectangle?
 
Before Apple introduced the iPad, no-one went that way, simply because there was no OS available that would have allowed to do without quite some external buttons.

I think you're confusing having lots of convenience buttons, with the need for them.

For example, Windows Mobile / CE devices didn't need any buttons. You could use the onscreen Programs / Start menu to access apps, and control panels to do things like change volume, all on the touchscreen.

OTOH, iOS totally depends on having a working button. Without that button, it's useless.

Apple was brave enough to trail the path and actually patented its way of having a dedicated OS developed exclusively to drive touch-screen-based devices ...

Haven't heard of anything like that, since there were dedicated touch systems before it. What patent are you talking about?

Apple wasn't the first to try to make what used to be called an "internet appliance" computer. Manufacturers tried at various times to get people interested in a touch-based slate. The problem was that the hardware and infrastructure just wasn't ripe yet, and the press wasn't that interested either. Apple was smart enough to wait until everything fell into place.

One example was the 2000 Linux-based Freepad, with onscreen keyboard and large touch button UI.
2000_freepad.png
"(Our) mission is to provide a device, together with a suite of Internet and telephone services, that takes care of the everyday needs of ordinary people -- to check bank balances, play games, read newspapers . . . useful services."

"it must be so easy to use, that your grandmother can use it
."
 
After wading through this thread I decided to check out the original document filed to the court about the galaxy.

Apple claims exactly 7 Designelements to be violated:



I'll try my best to translate this for those not speaking german:

(i) a rectangular Product with 4 evenly rounded edges
(ii) a flat clear surface covering the front of the product
(iii) the view of a metallic frame around the flat,clear surface
(iv) a display, which is centered below the clear surface
(v) under the clear surface there is a distinct, neutral boundry on all sides of the display
(vi) if the product is tured on, it shows colored icons on the display
Plus the Tab 10.1 copys the remarkable thin profile of the iPad

Now looking at this list and checking the original document that apple filed to protect its design (http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001) I would point out that neither the iPad nor the iPad 2 look very much like the "protected" design (just like the Tab 10.1 does not either) combining this with the broken german injunction system ...

but I'll let you be the judge if those claimed design elements are worthy of protection or maybe and just maybe they have been around for some time (even with tablets)
Image(1996)

Lol that design looks almost exactly like a Sony flat panel TV. Sony should sue apple for stealing their design!!!
 
The most stable configuration generally is sitting on one or 3 points, not four.

I think 4 point of contact on a rectangle is way more stable that a point or three points of contacts on a rectangle


Before Apple introduced the iPad, no-one went that way, simply because there was no OS available that would have allowed to do without quite some external buttons. Apple was brave enough to trail the path and actually patented its way of having a dedicated OS developed exclusively to drive touch-screen-based devices (it doesn't matter that they used a spin-off of OSX - iOS has lots of man-years R&D in it).

No, Apple wasn't the first, you can look at Joojoo/Crunchpad.

And what patent are you talinkg about?
 
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