Apple Superdrive Updates

Nebrie

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Jan 5, 2002
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Re: Could cost big bucks.

Originally posted by woodsey
I believe the current powerbooks are the most expensive ever!

I would hope Apple offer DVD-R as an optional extra, if not the price could jump quite considerably and be out of reach of many.
No they're not. Remember the first TiBooks? $3500?
 

sphereboy

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May 10, 2002
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TiBook SuperDrive Upgrade?

Does anyone think that they might be able to fit the superdrive in the current body case of the TiBook.

Maybe they will offer an upgrade for current TiBook users.

I don't really care about the superDrive... but it is a nice toy to have and to show off to my (sshhh PC) buddies.

Peace. :)
 

bretm

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Apr 12, 2002
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Re: Re: Power suckage ?

Originally posted by Snowy_River


Boy, I hope that I never live in that city... That would mean that a 1,000 sqft house would cost (I presume we're talking buying, not renting) $300,000! Whew. That makes my head spin...
Here' in Atlanta a 1000 sq ft house would could easily cost $400,000 in the midtown area. And they're all around 80 years old!

People who bought in (or little old ladies) before the olympics in 96 have made a nice profict on their previously $150,000 homes.
 

eric_n_dfw

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Jan 2, 2002
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Re: Could cost big bucks.

Originally posted by woodsey
I believe the current powerbooks are the most expensive ever!

I would hope Apple offer DVD-R as an optional extra, if not the price could jump quite considerably and be out of reach of many.
Actually, when you compare the top of the line, $3199, TiBook 800 to prior PowerMac's they're quite in line.

Per EveryMac.com, the original retail on prior portable Mac's that were equal to or greater than the G4 800 TiBook (not adjusted for inflation):
  • 09/20/1989, Macintosh Portable (16 MHz 68HC000): $6500
  • 02/11/1991, Macintosh Backlit Portable (16 MHz 68HC000): $6500
  • 02/10/1993, PowerBook 165c (33 MHz 68030): $3400
  • 10/21/1991, PowerBook 170 (25 MHz 68030): $4600
  • 10/19/1992, PowerBook 180 (33 MHz 68030): $3870
  • 07/07/1993, PowerBook 180c (33 MHz 68030): $4160
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook 520c (25 MHz 68LC040): $4000
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook 540 (33 MHz 68LC040): $4580
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook 540c (33 MHz 68LC040): $5200
  • 11/20/1996, PowerBook 1400c/117 (17 MHz PowerPC 603e): $3500
  • 07/14/1997, PowerBook 1400c/166 (166 MHz PowerPC 603e): $3500
  • 02/17/1997, PowerBook 3400c/180 (180 MHz PowerPC 603e): $5000
  • 02/17/1997, PowerBook 3400c/200 (200 MHz PowerPC 603e): $5500
  • 02/17/1997, PowerBook 3400c/240 (240 MHz PowerPC 603e): $6400
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook 5300c/100 (100 MHz PowerPC 603e): $4500 <--- Mac Trivia: The 5300 series are the infamous Mac's that caught on fire! :eek:
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook 5300cs/100 (100 MHz PowerPC 603e): $3500
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook 5300ce/117 (117 MHz PowerPC 603e): $6500
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook Duo 280c (33 MHz 68LC040): $4750
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook Duo 2300c (100 MHz PowerPC 603e): $4500
  • 11/10/1997, PowerBook G3 (1st Gen.) (250 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $5700
  • 05/06/1998, PowerBook G3/233 (233 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 05/06/1998, PowerBook G3/250 (250 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $4400
  • 09/01/1998, PowerBook G3/266 (266 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 05/06/1998, PowerBook G3/292 (292 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $5600
  • 09/01/1998, PowerBook G3/300 (300 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $5000
  • 05/10/1999, PowerBook G3/400 (400 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 02/16/2000, PowerBook G3/500 FW (500 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 01/09/2001, PowerBook G4/400 (500 MHz PowerPC 7410 (G4)): $3499

(Boy - am I a geek or what!) :cool:
 

Wyvernspirit

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Jul 23, 2002
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Re: Could cost big bucks.

So what you are saying is: The price on the current powerbooks is very reasonable if compared to earlier model years. Interesting...
 

heinzruediger

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Jul 1, 2002
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oh dear

I would be pi**ed, if this is gonna happen, I just got my TiBook, after a long time saving my bucks.
 

marcsiry

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Jul 16, 2002
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chill, recent purchasers

Everyone is aware that computer products are updated every 3-6 months.

If you don't buy a machine within a month of its introduction, then you're going to see it update "soon" after you bought it. It's inevitable!

I just bought a dual 1 Ghz, knowing full well that the PowerMacs are due for an update. Will it be as fast as the new machines? No. Is it faster than my old 500 mhz G4? Heck ya!

So now, every day I get to have a much better experience working than I did with the 500...who knows how long it will be before the new machines are finally delivered? Who knows how long it will be before all the bugs in the new configuration are worked out? I'll wait to buy until at least the second generation of the new machines.

And then there's always the possiblity of another "Yikes"... that the new machines are stopgaps, and thus crippled somehow.

I limped along with my old machine for the last two years, knowing there were faster machines out there... somehow I survived. You'll survive, too!
 

sphereboy

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May 10, 2002
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Re: oh dear

Originally posted by heinzruediger
I would be pi**ed, if this is gonna happen, I just got my TiBook, after a long time saving my bucks.
You should enjoy your TiBook. I know i do. It's a shame they do this to us, BUT there is a small light of hope.. that would allow us to upgrade our TiBook with a superDrive... who knows
 

MacArtist

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Jul 24, 2002
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Ti book battery and DVD-R

I did a start to finish DVD on a Dual 1GHz and it took @ 2 1/2 hours. That is taking 40min of DV footage, importing it into iMovie, throwing in a title, exporting it for iDVD, dropping it into an iDVD project,and burning the DVD. The most cpu, and power, intensive task is converting the footage to mpeg2 right before burning the DVD.

I would have to say that one would be cutting it very close with a full battery if they did the above steps just as I did. We are all realists and know that with uses such as video editing and DVD authoring, you don't get 5 hours of battery life out of a powerbook. So for a SuperDrive equiped Tibook to be a viable mobile option, Apple needs to up the battery life on it (which they very well might do with the next update). At that time this will make one hell of a portable to show off to everyone.
 

djniche

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Apr 10, 2002
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SuperDrive for laptops due later this year
July 31 - 10:50 ET Pioneer plans to launch a recordable DVD drive for laptops, which will write DVDs at 2x, record CDs at 16x, and rewrite CDs at 10x, according to c|net. There's no word yet on whether Apple's PowerBook G4 will be able to accommodate the drive; the PowerBooks requires a slimmer drive than most laptops.
 

pianojoe

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Jul 5, 2001
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Re: Re: Re: Which DVD-R?

Originally posted by MacMaster

Yes their superdrives are DVD-RW drives. It would seem logical that iDVD would only support DVD-R disks (I can't check to confirm this right now). Toast 5 does support DVD-RW disks however.
You're right. iDVD doesn't write to DVD-RWs on my Dual 800 G4, Toast does. Getting a lot of errors with cheap DVD-RWs though.
 

SPG

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Jul 24, 2001
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In the shadow of the Space Needle.
This has come up before (I think three months ago?) and everyone either didn't understand what was involved or poopooed the idea that anyone would ever need or want a DVD burner in a laptop. I personally figured we were a year out at least before we'd get one, but I will gladly admit to being wrong if I can get my hands on one soon.
Anyway, the drives look to be a near reality and I think it will be a boost for Apple. This will almost certainly mean a new tiBook enclosure modification, unless Pioneer has been able to get the whole thing down to the ultra ultra ultra slim size needed for the current G4ti, now if only everyone would agree on DVD-RW or DVD+RW as the format...
 

TechLarry

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Feb 21, 2002
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Re: Re: Power suckage ?

Originally posted by MacMaster

Answer me this: Do you really need to burn a DVD when you're on the go (not near a AC outlet)? You're going to have made the DVD and then just plug it in and let it sit there and burn....
If you have 1MB of data more than what you were using can hold, yes :)

TL
 

Snowy_River

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Jul 17, 2002
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Re: Could cost big bucks.

Originally posted by woodsey
I believe the current powerbooks are the most expensive ever!

I would hope Apple offer DVD-R as an optional extra, if not the price could jump quite considerably and be out of reach of many.
Sorry, not by a long shot. I bought a 200MHz PB3400 when they came out (the middle option, not the high end which ran at 240MHz). That machine cost $5500 with only 16MB RAM. Add enough RAM to do something with it, and you pushed over $6k. (Yes, RAM was much more expensive back then.) So, the PBs now are cheap by comparison.
 

neilt

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May 28, 2002
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Re: Re: Re: Power suckage ?

Originally posted by TechLarry


If you have 1MB of data more than what you were using can hold, yes :)

TL
umm.....
isn't it more cost effective to use 2 700MB cd's at <50¢ instead of one DVD at $5?

neilt
 

bretm

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Apr 12, 2002
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Re: Ti book battery and DVD-R

Originally posted by MacArtist
I did a start to finish DVD on a Dual 1GHz and it took @ 2 1/2 hours. That is taking 40min of DV footage, importing it into iMovie, throwing in a title, exporting it for iDVD, dropping it into an iDVD project,and burning the DVD. The most cpu, and power, intensive task is converting the footage to mpeg2 right before burning the DVD.

I would have to say that one would be cutting it very close with a full battery if they did the above steps just as I did. We are all realists and know that with uses such as video editing and DVD authoring, you don't get 5 hours of battery life out of a powerbook. So for a SuperDrive equiped Tibook to be a viable mobile option, Apple needs to up the battery life on it (which they very well might do with the next update). At that time this will make one hell of a portable to show off to everyone.
Interesting. I burned a 57minute DVD with a G4 350 in about 4 hours or less. Encoding in iDVD and burning. You'd hope that the Dual Gig offered more than a 25%-30%speed increase that my 350mhz that only cost 1500bucks 2.5 years ago. Guess iDVD doesn't use the dual processors. But still.
 

coolkamio

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Jul 16, 2002
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Uhmm...

Originally posted by neilt


umm.....
isn't it more cost effective to use 2 700MB cd's at <50¢ instead of one DVD at $5?

neilt
700 x 2 = 1400Mb...
Dvd storage capacity is 4,7Gb...
4700 / 700 = 6,7 cd's
0,25$ x 6,7 = 1,67$

A dvd cost 1 - 2$ in this online-shop in packs

1,28$ /dvd for a 25 pack double-sided (9,4Gb).
I think that the prices of dvd-r are very reasonable today.
And DVD's are best than cd's, for all.
The advantages are a lot!.
For example, you can burn a copy of your os x, installation and boot from the dvd...
With cd's cannot...
I only need to say, welcome superdrive to tibooks
 

Rocketman

macrumors 603
Re: Re: Re: Re: Power suckage ?

Originally posted by neilt


umm.....
isn't it more cost effective to use 2 700MB cd's at <50¢ instead of one DVD at $5?

neilt
A DVD is about 6 CD's of data so yes they are "cheaper" and also less leading edge so the drives are cheaper as well. So this may be a viable option.

But if you use a portable computer with a 20+ gb drive and your problem is filling up the drive too often, the best option is external drive(s) or DVD so you don't have to burn dozens of CD's, but far fewer DVD's or external firewire drives.

Typical uses would be taking alot of high resolution digital photographs, digital recording of audio or especially digital video.

I suspect when HDTV resolution goes consumer every computer will have raid and some method to hook up to the server for offload, possibly wireless or many local hard access points.

Rocketman

 

Rocketman

macrumors 603
Re: Re: Could cost big bucks.

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw

Actually, when you compare the top of the line, $3199, TiBook 800 to prior PowerMac's they're quite in line.

Per EveryMac.com, the original retail on prior portable Mac's that were equal to or greater than the G4 800 TiBook (not adjusted for inflation):
  • 09/20/1989, Macintosh Portable (16 MHz 68HC000): $6500
  • 02/11/1991, Macintosh Backlit Portable (16 MHz 68HC000): $6500
  • 02/10/1993, PowerBook 165c (33 MHz 68030): $3400
  • 10/21/1991, PowerBook 170 (25 MHz 68030): $4600
  • 10/19/1992, PowerBook 180 (33 MHz 68030): $3870
  • 07/07/1993, PowerBook 180c (33 MHz 68030): $4160
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook 520c (25 MHz 68LC040): $4000
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook 540 (33 MHz 68LC040): $4580
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook 540c (33 MHz 68LC040): $5200
  • 11/20/1996, PowerBook 1400c/117 (17 MHz PowerPC 603e): $3500
  • 07/14/1997, PowerBook 1400c/166 (166 MHz PowerPC 603e): $3500
  • 02/17/1997, PowerBook 3400c/180 (180 MHz PowerPC 603e): $5000
  • 02/17/1997, PowerBook 3400c/200 (200 MHz PowerPC 603e): $5500
  • 02/17/1997, PowerBook 3400c/240 (240 MHz PowerPC 603e): $6400
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook 5300c/100 (100 MHz PowerPC 603e): $4500 <--- Mac Trivia: The 5300 series are the infamous Mac's that caught on fire! :eek:
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook 5300cs/100 (100 MHz PowerPC 603e): $3500
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook 5300ce/117 (117 MHz PowerPC 603e): $6500
  • 05/16/1994, PowerBook Duo 280c (33 MHz 68LC040): $4750
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook Duo 2300c (100 MHz PowerPC 603e): $4500
  • 11/10/1997, PowerBook G3 (1st Gen.) (250 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $5700
  • 05/06/1998, PowerBook G3/233 (233 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 05/06/1998, PowerBook G3/250 (250 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $4400
  • 09/01/1998, PowerBook G3/266 (266 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 05/06/1998, PowerBook G3/292 (292 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $5600
  • 09/01/1998, PowerBook G3/300 (300 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $5000
  • 05/10/1999, PowerBook G3/400 (400 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 02/16/2000, PowerBook G3/500 FW (500 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)): $3500
  • 01/09/2001, PowerBook G4/400 (500 MHz PowerPC 7410 (G4)): $3499

(Boy - am I a geek or what!) :cool:
I found this post instructive because there seems to have been some sweet spots in terms of price/performance that some people had access to as early adopters.

Powerbook 165c 2-10-93
Powerbook 520c 5-16-94 (me)
Powerbook 1400c 11-20-97
Powerbook G3-233 5-6-98
Powerbook G3-400 5-10-99
Powerbook G4-400 1-9-01 (me)

One wonders when the next revolutionary speed bump will occur at or below the seemingly magical $3500 price point.

The PB-G4 seems to have longer legs than most largely due to altivec and full access to a plethora of IO options. A considerable trade could happen in aftermarket upgrading of Ti-G4 computers. Also it was released near the beginning of the life of the G4 chip itself which Apple certainly has alot of computers developed around.

The list itself needs to be sorted by date order and have missing items added.

Rocketman

 

Rocketman

macrumors 603
$6500 portables, where are you?

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw



Per EveryMac.com, the original retail on prior portable Mac's (not adjusted for inflation):

  • 09/20/1989, Macintosh Portable (16 MHz 68HC000): $6500
  • 02/11/1991, Macintosh Backlit Portable (16 MHz 68HC000): $6500
  • 08/28/1995, PowerBook 5300ce/117 (117 MHz PowerPC 603e): $6500
  • 02/17/1997, PowerBook 3400c/240 (240 MHz PowerPC 603e): $6400

Since Apple charged $6500 for portables when they "had to", and they were physically bigger then as well, maybe what they need now is a "superportable".

1. Larger screen and footprint. Holds an additional drive and spare battery.

2. Thicker. Holds a PCI slot as well as on-board cellmodem.

Whatever features hard core pros need (pro aidio I/O, IP phone, Conferencing Video camera). It seems all-in-one design desktop alternative is a big reason people buy ultra expensive portables and portability in terms of battery usage is needed but not very often for the most part. Those who are true road warriors either buy extra batteries or hook to power sources along the way.

But a Ti-G4-4x1000mhz with onboard raid might be fairly cool for $6500.

Then all you have to do is start a scheme for Airport+ everywhere, restaurants, gas stations, office buildings, public parks, whatever.

:cool:

Rocketman