Apparently he thinks the only thing the people who live in the rust belt are good for are factory jobs.Mac Pro all over again. I'd like to see Trump create more high level, higher wage jobs rather than return America to Industrial Age.
Apparently he thinks the only thing the people who live in the rust belt are good for are factory jobs.Mac Pro all over again. I'd like to see Trump create more high level, higher wage jobs rather than return America to Industrial Age.
Mmm... I mean, yeah, but Apple also does a lot of business internationally. Yes, their products still say "Designed in California" on them and they sure do make a show of being an American company, but I think a lot of their trajectory is defined by trying to sell product overseas. Just look at the hoops they've been jumping through to sell old iPhones in India.But of course.
It really does feel like pulling teeth to get an AMERICAN tech company, the top one, to invest in AMERICAN workers.
I understand they already do with several corporate locations and a ton of retailers, but the point is they can do even better.
If Apple could never make a better iPhone, there would never be future generations released. It would be one model and thats it. But that’s not the case. The same can be said about the company’s tactics. They are successful, from a business perspective, but they can still be refined at the same time while being mutually beneficial to US economy and the company’s bottom line
Imo
Sean Spicer is back. Period.Getting hung up on the details and pol bias:
A Foxconn factory. Will be located in the US.
This is a milestone. Period.
Just like, like Obama or not, he was first black president in US history. No one can take that away from him.
To be fair, a lot more people buy TVs than Mac Pros. Once they get the factory up and into a production-ready state (which can be a feat, I'm slowly discovering),
they'll probably be able to do a lot of business assembling TVs that will be able to bypass import taxes. No idea if that makes monetary sense in the long term, but I'm assuming Foxconn ran the numbers and it does, otherwise they wouldn't even be talking about it.
Whatever the reason this stuff went to China in the first place bringing it to the United States is about a lot more than just labor costs. Most of Apple’s hardware products were never manufactured in the United States so these jobs wouldn’t be coming back as they were never here in the first place. But the way Trump lies he makes it sound like these jobs used to exist and now he’s bringing them back. It’s a lie. If you live in the UK and own an iPhone how does it benefit you if that phone is assembled in the United States vs China? Or is Apple supposed to have manufacturing plants in every country it sells products in?
People seem to forget that Apple is a global brand, sometimes.Whatever the reason this stuff went to China in the first place bringing it to the United States is about a lot more than just labor costs. Most of Apple’s hardware products were never manufactured in the United States so these jobs wouldn’t be coming back as they were never here in the first place. But the way Trump lies he makes it sound like these jobs used to exist and now he’s bringing them back. It’s a lie. If you live in the UK and own an iPhone how does it benefit you if that phone is assembled in the United States vs China? Or is Apple supposed to have manufacturing plants in every country it sells products in?
Sean Spicer is back. Period.
The "specialized skills" was a big nothing burger. It was all about paying workers the least amount of money possible to maximize profits. In China, they can pay them peanuts so Apple manufactures there. If China becomes too expensive, Apple will leave. And the idea that these Chinese workers have any kind of specialized skills is ridiculous because most are coming from poor villages with little or no education. If they can figure out how to manufacture an iPhone, any American can.
We should be doing it on the scale of China— *for pollution issues*. China doesn’t care if they dump the chemicals right into their rivers. Wouldn’t happen here.Nice!
I welcome this,
It’s not like China’s mammoth manufacturing industry is going to be shut down tomorrow from this.
it’s is a start, I like starts.
boggles the mind why we haven’t moved manufacturing here before this. Reduce consumption or at least increase production and reduce export of goods, even if slightly.
I’m ok with that.
—shows that even if we are unwilling to do it to scale of China, for pollution reasons, etc. , “specialized skills” alone weren’t what was holding it back from happening all together. Which is kinda all Tim Cook’s been talking about as the reason.
People seem to forget that Apple is a global brand, sometimes.
Ah so the whole don’t take him literally but take him seriously nonsense.I think you’re interpreting his words and tweets a little too literally
No one buys that Foxconn was around, suddenly gone, and now back in US.
The point is we’re more consumers than producers, by far, and that can and apparently will improve.
I.e jobs were here, now they seem less so, and admitting there’s a deficit is the first step towards fixing it
If we live in denial that the economy has been great for sometime, because you personally have a job, or will continue to because of your specialized skill, is denying the reality that tons of able-bodied people aren’t working and that may be for personal reasons, but more than likely, economic reasons when you start seeing repeated patterns
That's a good point, I guess what I meant was assembly of various large-screen appliances and devices that won't need to import their panels from China anymore. I live near a company that has made a name for themselves manufacturing jumbotrons and other very large signs, and would import dozens of panels for a single sign. Not sure if their business will overlap with this Foxconn display factory, but that's the direction I was thinking along.It is a flat panel factory from what I understand no TV's as such but rather the panels that go into them. Interestingly such panels can end up in a wide range of hardware that doesn't qualify as being a TV per say. The only strange thing here is "Wisconsin" as I haven't associated them with heavy manufacturing.
Who's gonna fix the roads and bridges? Who's gonna make sure your city has a function sewer system or water treatment plant?Mac Pro all over again. I'd like to see Trump create more high level, higher wage jobs rather than return America to Industrial Age.
Or maybe their livelihood has been factory work for generations (which was a good paying job that supported a family) and bringing it back.Apparently he thinks the only thing the people who live in the rust belt are good for are factory jobs.
Are we really supposed to believe that Foxconn just decided within the last 6 months to open a plant in the United States? Seriously? Oh and Apple still hasn’t commented on the 3 big beautiful plants Trump says they’re building here. He’s so full of you know what you can smell him a mile away.
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Ah so the whole don’t take him literally but take him seriously nonsense.
There’s a big difference between can and will. At the end of the day younger Americans just aren’t particularly interested in being farmers, miners, or factory workers, and the ones that are likely don’t understand that this isn’t like a job in an older type of factory. They will need certain skill sets that aren’t a priority in certain parts of the country.
How do you define a global company? More Apple revenues come from outside the US these days. That seems pretty global to me.I don’t think so. They are an American company, created in the US and where the headquarters are located, whose products say Made in China etched in small letters on the backside
No one can deny their reach/demand/influence is global. But they are not a global company. unless you consider that the current CEO is an outright globalist, then I can concede:
http://fortune.com/2017/03/18/trump-tim-cook-globalization/
How do you define a global company? More Apple revenues come from outside the US these days. That seems pretty global to me.
Wow, didn't see that one coming, but I guess it makes sense.
They have been Apple's and a plethora of others suppliers for a long time now. During that period they've learned and invented manufacturing techniques that they didn't have when they started out that allow them to make stuff for the best in the industry. Thats their strength now, their knowledge, and boy do they have a lot of it. They're really good at what they do, and now they're taking that expertise to directly create jobs in the west. Wow.
Foxconn was known for so many bad things in the past, but with Apple's influence (and Apple have been the only one to take the media fallout from that, despite the fact they were the only ones to try and improve conditions there.. don't get me started....) they have shifted the direction of the business to a stronger and more positive model.
Congratulations Foxconn, I hope it works out.
What is he bringing back? When was the United States ever the hot bed of electronics manufacturing? I don’t want to go back to the 1950s (or earlier).Yes when he says bring back jobs he isnt specifically saying Bring back foxconn
I thought that was exceedingly obvious?
What do you think Trump meant when he tweeted covfefe, for you literalists out there?
Did you read my earlier post that went into more detail on my thoughts here? I think it was actually a reply to one of yours...I don’t think so. They are an American company, created in the US and where the headquarters are located, whose products say Made in China etched in small letters on the backside
No one can deny their reach/demand/influence is global. But they are not a global company. unless you consider that the current CEO is an outright globalist, then I can concede:
http://fortune.com/2017/03/18/trump-tim-cook-globalization/
What is he bringing back? When was the United States ever the hot bed of electronics manufacturing? I don’t want to go back to the 1950s (or earlier).