Rogifan
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Apparently he thinks the only thing the people who live in the rust belt are good for are factory jobs.
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Apple Supplier Foxconn Confirms Plans to Build TV Display Factory in Wisconsin
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Mmm... I mean, yeah, but Apple also does a lot of business internationally. Yes, their products still say "Designed in California" on them and they sure do make a show of being an American company, but I think a lot of their trajectory is defined by trying to sell product overseas. Just look at the hoops they've been jumping through to sell old iPhones in India.
It might just be that Apple thinks they've already invested enough in the US considering the profits they net here, and so they're more concerned about markets where they feel they've got a better growth potential. In the end, they really are all about their bottom line. I'd imagine Foxconn is probably doing the same sort of analysis, and maybe they've decided one of the markets they could grow in is TV screens in the US. It seems to me that this is more a statement about Foxconn's investment than Apple's.
Sean Spicer is back. Period.
People that don't work in manufacturing just don't get it sometimes. I think most are too use to buying what they need at the supermarket and assume that building a manufacturing plant is the same thing. It is sort of like the attitude with respect to the F35 with people expecting a perfect plan out the gate. That isn't how it works with new product development and frankly a new production line is a product all of its own.
It is a flat panel factory from what I understand no TV's as such but rather the panels that go into them. Interestingly such panels can end up in a wide range of hardware that doesn't qualify as being a TV per say. The only strange thing here is "Wisconsin" as I haven't associated them with heavy manufacturing.
On the other hand Foxconn should have access to plenty of cheese to feed the employees and offer as incentives.
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
I think you’re interpreting his words and tweets a little too literally
No one buys that Foxconn was around, suddenly gone, and now back in US.
The point is we’re more consumers than producers, by far, and that can and apparently will improve.
I.e jobs were here, now they seem less so, and admitting there’s a deficit is the first step towards fixing it
If we live in denial that the economy has been great for sometime, because you personally have a job, or will continue to because of your specialized skill, is denying the reality that tons of able-bodied people aren’t working and that may be for personal reasons, but more than likely, economic reasons when you start seeing repeated patterns
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
Thanks for contributing to the conversation. very thoughtful. Should solicit a few likes (probably a lot since this forum leans one way I suspect), and stroke your ego nicely.
Next!
Foggydog
macrumors 6502
Ding ding ding. You are the only one that gets this.
The whole US has a whopping 325 million people or so. China has one billion more than us and 90% are just as you said. Poor farmers struggling to survived. Unless a Chinese has a degree, they just do a simple menial task for 12 hours a day.
Not that I wouldn't welcome a new plant like the one mentioned, but it's going to mostly automated than manual.
Remember a couple years ago reading that Foxconn was buying a bunch of robots? They have them now.
glindon
macrumors 6502a
We should be doing it on the scale of China— *for pollution issues*. China doesn’t care if they dump the chemicals right into their rivers. Wouldn’t happen here.
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
I don’t think so. They are an American company, created in the US and where the headquarters are located, whose products say Made in China etched in small letters on the backside
No one can deny their reach/demand/influence is global. But they are not a global company. unless you consider that the current CEO is an outright globalist, then I can concede:
http://fortune.com/2017/03/18/trump-tim-cook-globalization/
Rogifan
macrumors Penryn
Are we really supposed to believe that Foxconn just decided within the last 6 months to open a plant in the United States? Seriously? Oh and Apple still hasn’t commented on the 3 big beautiful plants Trump says they’re building here. He’s so full of you know what you can smell him a mile away.
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Ah so the whole don’t take him literally but take him seriously nonsense.
That's a good point, I guess what I meant was assembly of various large-screen appliances and devices that won't need to import their panels from China anymore. I live near a company that has made a name for themselves manufacturing jumbotrons and other very large signs, and would import dozens of panels for a single sign. Not sure if their business will overlap with this Foxconn display factory, but that's the direction I was thinking along.
rjohnstone
macrumors 68040
Who's gonna fix the roads and bridges? Who's gonna make sure your city has a function sewer system or water treatment plant?
Who's going to install all that infrastructure required for those high paying to exist in the first place?
Without a strong working class, the U.S. will be in deep trouble.
glindon
macrumors 6502a
Or maybe their livelihood has been factory work for generations (which was a good paying job that supported a family) and bringing it back.
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
Yes when he says bring back jobs he isnt specifically saying Bring back foxconn
I thought that was exceedingly obvious?
What do you think Trump meant when he tweeted covfefe, for you literalists out there?
Rogifan
macrumors Penryn
How do you define a global company? More Apple revenues come from outside the US these days. That seems pretty global to me.
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
“These days” and thats not the way it should be for the top US company, and top brand recognized arguably, in the world.
Hence, why Foxconn is opening some factories in Wisconsin which is in the US, and there are changes being made to address that, vs. not addressing it at all.
What are we arguing about again?
The same people that rip on Trump for taking advantage of a good business move (cheap manufacturing, like Cook with iPhones) i.e. making ties in China and selling them for good bucks, are now upset that US is slowly regaining some manufacturing foothold, no matter how small.
Break that one down for me, would ya?
Master Atrus
macrumors regular
I know everyone is enjoying the political debate, but I was more hung up on the idea of maybe a full Apple TV??
You do realize that some of that nonsense with respect to Foxconn has been grossly blown out proportion by the liberal media. For example people commit suicide all over the world, yet for some reason a couple of suicides in China get blown out of proportion. Mind you that is in a country with a historically low suicide rate. Here in the USA we have had suicides from workers at the plant I worked at, the only difference is that they did so off property. We also have had people stabbed right in the plant. In no case was there a reason to believe management practices where responsible. In fact in one case OBAMA could rationally be blamed for letting the mentally ill in the country.
AS for knowledge corporations certainly develop a lot of knowledge over the years but there is an issue where you can stagnation without fresh input. This is one advantage of spreading your operations across the world as you end exposed to new ideas and cultures.
Rogifan
macrumors Penryn
What is he bringing back? When was the United States ever the hot bed of electronics manufacturing? I don’t want to go back to the 1950s (or earlier).
Did you read my earlier post that went into more detail on my thoughts here? I think it was actually a reply to one of yours...
I guess if you want the TL;DR, Apple's focus is and always has been on their bottom line. Once that was about nationalism. Now, it's likely they've identified a global marketing strategy as the best way to move more product. As such, it doesn't matter so much where they manufacture their products.
I'm not saying this factory is a bad thing. As I've said elsewhere, Foxconn has probably figured out how this will enable reduced cost when selling products to American consumers in the long term. As an American consumer, that might affect me directly, so I'm down. As an American, I appreciate that it might help some folks in Wisconsin get a job they need. So I'm also down. Nothing to complain about over here. I just think you're hanging an awful lot of praise on what, I suspect, was a very capitalist decision predicated on Foxconn's desire to grow.
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
You dont have to go back to the 1950’s.
If you dont want manufacturing job, you dont have to take it
You have free will, you know?
Are we going to debate this one too? Keep going, seems like you’re just picking. For what reason, I dont know. Except that I dont hate the president and every move he makes, including the good ones like this, that would be openly applauded had OBama done the same.
in fact some claim something announced to happen soon, 6 months in a presidency, is still something that is or could well be Obama’s doing.
How can we rationally debate if we cant accept
A) Trump is president currently, like him or not
B) this is happening under a Trump presidency