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Great news! Ignore the naysayers fixated on the precise number of jobs or lecturing us on automation or some other reason we should not try to bring any manufacturing back.

This is great news, period.

But there is a big difference between 3000 and 13,000. Not only that, this is Trump. He is constantly stretching the truth. Why is it he can never get facts straight.
 
The "specialized skills" was a big nothing burger. It was all about paying workers the least amount of money possible to maximize profits. In China, they can pay them peanuts so Apple manufactures there. If China becomes too expensive, Apple will leave. And the idea that these Chinese workers have any kind of specialized skills is ridiculous because most are coming from poor villages with little or no education. If they can figure out how to manufacture an iPhone, any American can.
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Yes, but they are a submissive work force....sleep in dorms.....they should build the plant in Illinois were the jobs are really needed...screw Wisconsin.....BTW why do you think ALL of the Trump Family products are made everywhere BUT the USA....cheap labor.
 
How hard is that to understand? I’m really struggling to understand if you guys are serious or not, sometimes.

I’m trying to not be rude, but I also feel like I’m educating about the most basic things.

YES!

They are an American-based company (Whose headquarters are in Cupertino, California, where Cook spends most of his time, the CEO of the company, no big deal) that has a global reach because everyone wants their products, everyone, everywhere, and they make their stuff in China.

Ever heard of Coca Cola? Same deal, (Maybe minus make stuff in China)

There is nothing contradictory about stating the facts.
You must have a very different definition of what makes something "global" than I do. I would say a global company is a company who sells products pretty much without exception all across the globe.

You seem to be saying that a global company is a company that has headquarters that are evenly distributed across the globe. Does that sound about right?
 
Whatever the reason this stuff went to China in the first place bringing it to the United States is about a lot more than just labor costs. Most of Apple’s hardware products were never manufactured in the United States so these jobs wouldn’t be coming back as they were never here in the first place. But the way Trump lies he makes it sound like these jobs used to exist and now he’s bringing them back. It’s a lie. If you live in the UK and own an iPhone how does it benefit you if that phone is assembled in the United States vs China? Or is Apple supposed to have manufacturing plants in every country it sells products in?


Oh come on, you are woefully uninformed. First off much of Apples product line was in fact manufactured in the USA. Second; allied industries, for example CRT manufacturing existed in the USA and supplied many manufactures. How do I know this - simple I grew up not to far from a a plant that manufactured CRT's in up state New York. Much of this manufacturing left the USA due to collusion with large manufactures and the government of the USA.

Here is the reality; when you lose a manufacturing plant you lose a lot more than the plant as all industries associated with that business suffer. Those businesses can be anything from the local bar & grill to the electrical apparatus supply house. This is why the lost of manufacturing has so damaged the USA, it exports an amazing amount of wealth out of the country concentrating wealth into the hands of the already wealthy.

So in a nut shell you are completely wrong, Trump is bringing back manufacturing jobs to the USA. These are modern jobs but would you expect anything different? I mean seriously would you want to see old technology jobs coming back to the USA?
 
But there is a big difference between 3000 and 13,000. Not only that, this is Trump. He is constantly stretching the truth. Why is it he can never get facts straight.

Your latter statement is blanket political bias.

To me it just reads “dont care for Trump, you know you feel me”

And yes there is a difference of 10k, to be precise.

But lets say he does hit 13k, what next ? You would’ve wished it were 26k?

Or if it is over that, would you call him out for being a liar by exceeding expectations?

I don’t know, but it appears that to his harshest critics, it’s never enough no matter the semantics.

So people get hung up in semantics



For example, even being a critical critic of our past president, if he opened a Foxconn factory here, no matter the #’s or my distaste for his policies in general, I would applaud it. Because its a step in the right direction and I like steps in the right direction. And admitting that is more important than staunchly defending my stanch or ego. I’ll be a hypocrite to applaud a president I critique. And ill be a hypocrite to criticize a president whose policies I generally like. I’m not contractually bound to them in any capacity.

Good things are good, not bad, even if from someone you generally dont like.
 
Sure but again, no Foxconn no Apple products to scale.

Foxconn is the dominant supplier. One cant discuss supply chain without discussing Foxconn for the manufacturing segment

Of course Apple doesn’t equal Foxconn, like as in they are synonymous companies
Exactly. I'm just saying you should probably wait to start heaping praise onto Apple until Apple is actually involved in some way.
 
A. Foxconn is not a Chinese company. It's based in Taiwan. Unless you are a card carrying member of the Communist Party of China. Then I could see how you think a Taiwanese company belongs to China.

B. After decades of outsourcing and calls to reverse that trend why isn't it important that new factories are being built in the U.S.? Are you anti-blue collar worker? These jobs will pay good wages and offer benefit to Americans. How is that not an important step for the CE industry? It seems to me to be just as notable as when foreign car makers started setting up shop in the U.S.
Is it important that American companies build factories outside the USA? If foreign companies create jobs in the USA that’s great. My issue is with some who frame it as if these companies have a duty to do so, like when Trump supposedly told Tim Cook if he doesn’t build factories in the USA he will make Trump’s administration look bad.
 
Apple be like - we created 13k jobs in the US. They like to claim those numbers and post it to their website.
 
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Exactly. I'm just saying you should probably wait to start heaping praise onto Apple until Apple is actually involved in some way.

This is Mac rumors. You know the drill.

I dont know that saying this is a step in the right direction, and modestly, a start, is exactly a “heap of praise”either.

I’d qualify it as just praise,
 
More like 7 Billion and 3,000 jobs tops. :apple:

Serves me right. That's what I get for reading CNN.

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Will be completed by 2020.

So at the end of his first term. And people are still wanting to ‘rationally’ (Really emotionally) argue self-made RUMORS that this is/could be a Obama policy spillover/there were chatters about this in the Obama admin.

Doesn’t get more deluded than that imo
 
Your latter statement is blanket political bias.

To me it just reads “dont care for Trump, you know you feel me”

And yes there is a difference of 10k, to be precise.

But lets say he does hit 13k, what next ? You would’ve wished it were 26k?

Or if it is over that, would you call him out for being a liar by exceeding expectations?

I don’t know, but it appears that to his harshest critics, it’s never enough no matter the semantics.

So people get hung up in semantics



For example, even being a critical critic of our past president, if he opened a Foxconn factory here, no matter the #’s or my distaste for his policies in general, I would applaud it. Because its a step in the right direction and I like steps in the right direction. And admitting that is more important than staunchly defending my stanch or ego. I’ll be a hypocrite to applaud a president I critique. And ill be a hypocrite to criticize a president whose policies I generally like. I’m not contractually bound to them in any capacity.

Good things are good, not bad, even if from someone you generally dont like.
Trump's stretching the truth and numbers has been documented. Not a political bias.
 
From China or from wherever. We’ve lost thousands of factories.
So should we get rid of ATMs because they’ve killed off bank teller jobs. Or self checkout at the grocery store? How many B&M jobs has Amazon killed off? Should they be punished for that? I know Trump would love to stop progress and take us back to the 1950s but that isn’t happening.
 
I wish it was an American company but still nice to see. I wonder about the blue collar thing, can a guy working in a stell factory transition to this factory?
 
So nothing about Apple building three "big" factories. And nothing any time soon. Do folks remember that Foxconn has promised to do this for some time, predating the Chump? Foxconn promised to build a factory in Pennsylvania in 2013. They're still waiting.

While 3000 jobs seems like a good number, Amazon -- who the Liar-in-Chief hates and rails against on an almost daily basis -- will be hiring 50,000 next week. At least 40,000 of those will be full-time, permanent jobs. Many of those jobs will be immediate hires. Just months ago Terry Gou was bragging about bringing 50-60,000 jobs to US factories.

I can only imagine what Wisconsin is giving away to Foxconn. The Pennsylvania EDC was practically begging Foxconn to come to the state and until recently the state was thought to be in the lead in landing the factory. They had meetings with Foxconn in Taiwan. New York State has at least $600 million to build a factory on cleared, shovel-ready land, cheap/guaranteed financing, tax incentives and, like Pennsylvania, was practically begging Foxconn to join the Marcy Nanocenter tech hub.
 
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