Apple Supplier Foxconn Considering Wisconsin Plant

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    Apple supplier Foxconn has been considering opening a facility in the United States, and the company is investigating Wisconsin as one possible location, reports The Associated Press.

    According to an unspecified person with "direct knowledge" of the negotiations, the state of Wisconsin is currently in talks with Foxconn. Michigan is also said to be pursuing the Foxconn plant.

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    Rumors suggesting Foxconn might open a United States factory first surfaced last November, after Apple reportedly asked suppliers Foxconn and Pegatron to look into the feasibility of producing iPhones in the United States.

    Foxconn in January confirmed that it was mulling $7 billion joint investment with Apple for a U.S. factory that would produce displays. Foxconn chairman Terry Gou said that a U.S. display facility could make sense given the increase in demand for larger display panels, but he did express some concerns over the skill of the workforce in the U.S. and negotiating a deal with the government.

    Foxconn has reportedly been in talks with both the U.S. federal government and individual state governments for several months over the facility, which, if established, could be used to manufacture displays for the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook.

    Gou in January also said Foxconn is planning to establish a new molding facility in the United States, with Pennsylvania cited as a possible location. It is not clear if Wisconsin will be the home of the molding facility or the display facility built in partnership with Apple.

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    In before the leftists say more manufacturing in America is a bad thing
     
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    But I thought the naysayers said there was no one left in the U.S. with manufacturing skills
     
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    Isn't that the exact same concern the Foxconn chairman has? So can we count him among the naysayers?
     
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    Too bad leftists couldn't get in before you wrote nonsense. Let me guess, you want the new plant to be powered by coal.
     
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    I'm sure it will be better for the environment to have them manufactured here instead of shipped from China. This won't create many jobs as most of it will be automated though.
     
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    In before a right-winger....nevermind.

    It’ll be hard to strike a balance between good paying jobs, an environmentally friendly plant and not spiking product costs. If one of those are off, then yeah, it’s not a great thing.
     
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    Get ready for the iPhone 11 to be $1200
     
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    I'd really like this. That said, Foxconn has a history of saying they'll open a factory here in the U.S. and then it just doesn't quite happen - so maybe take it with a grain of salt:

    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121108PD204.html

    Isn't that what the high end iPhone 8 is supposed to be? ;-)
     
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    It's not the engineers they need, it's the slave labor that is kept alive with nets outside the building.
     
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    "Those darn common-sense filled debby downers always using facts and statistics and science and logic and reason! Maybe we should put our earmuffs on and call it FAKE NEWS!"

    Seriously though. The Foxconn chairman is worried about the quality of the workforce because we have a high percentage of high school graduates and an OK percentage of college graduates, but not a lot of vocational skills training (community colleges, technical colleges).

    Luckily Wisconsin has a great technical college program that could easily add an electronic components-geared manufacturing curriculum to train up the workers.

    For a company like Foxconn and Apple to do this is a pretty big investment, but I'm guessing they will want the state to provide the education opportunities as part of this deal.

    However: many conservatives in Wisconsin have been all for state-funded technical colleges provided they had an adequate school to work program. Or if you complete your 2 year degree and stay at a decent job in-state for five years, you get a refund or your loans forgiven.

    However: the funds for that need to come from tax payer dollars.

    Pardon my leftist analysis of the logistical situation in that particular state.

    Some of the perks:

    - China has agreed to the Pairs Climate Agreement and the USA has not and is leaving it up to the states. Wisconsin is not part of the US Climate Alliance. That means that environment controls will not be as stringent as working elsewhere.

    - Wisconsin has a low minimum wage: the cost of labor will not be insane. Pay something above minimum such as $10/hr and you have yourself a great entry level position. Cap management and supervisors at $30/hr and you are golden.

    - Wisconsin makes it difficult for unions to form: Foxconn will likely not worry about the labor unionizing.

    - Wisconsin is centralized in the USA for rail shipping, but also has ocean access and global shipping routes available via Lake Michigan and Lake Superior so product manufactured can be sent anywhere.

    - Apple's non-disclosure agreements and patents can be more actively enforced in the US with less leaks to the web of parts.

    Downsides:

    Healthcare in Wisconsin is expensive compared to its Minnesota and Michigan neighbors. The cost of providing the type of insurance as factories did "back in the day" will work out well.
     
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    Glad to see this. With the level of automation in an entirely new facility, there isn't going to be a significant impact on pricing, I would guess it's a cost that Apple would be willing to eat for the goodwill alone - while, of course, keeping the bulk of manufacturing in China.
     
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    Re-read several above posts
     
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    This is a good thing. With modern automation it might not provide a huge amount of jobs, but the jobs it does provide will be good jobs. I don't see left or right why anyone would be against this.
     
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    Wisconsin is an interesting choice. Its got a disproportionately high amount of people with higher and technical education, and the work ethic is famously slavish to a fault, but it is not a cheap state to do business in, or live in. Taxes are what, second highest in the country, and subject to change with the weather & governor.

    I can't imagine what they'd have Wisconsinites building. Whatever it is, it better start with a huge margin if it's going to absorb the costs of all that and the winter logistics.

    If only wisconsin had some sort of... modern transportation... like a high speed rail... lol
     
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    There is over at 30% chance it will be powered by coal.

    Right to work state
     
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    Besides the logistics of parts aside, how large a factory would they build? Wisconsin has some major employers. Based on the latest available demographics, the available workforce is only about 750,000 and most of them are already employed. So it seems that them placing a factory there may only placate the administration and not really employ that many people. (If they can find those that want to work at repetitive jobs...and not lets forget the robotics) If it's Foxconn that is the employer, Apple wouldn't be able to, IMHO, bring back their overseas money.
     
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    Foxconn stated goal, 100% automation manufacturing iPhones in China in the next 5 years. Eliminating 400K plus Chinese cheap labor jobs. Will they get there, maybe not, but the direction does not speak favorably for middle class jobs. Manufacturing entering a new era. Those who depend the old ways, may want to rethink their jobs prospects in the future.
     
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    Why the need for technical work force? Don’t they run through Chinese farmer kids with high turnover? How technical can it be?
     
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    They don't need "skills". The machines are automated and the workers like those China basically load materials into the machines and then after the robots place the finished pats in boxes drive the forklift. A Factory like this means a few hundred low-pay jobs. But heck it sure beats working in a Tyson chicken processing plant.

    But also some good high-pay jobs too. Some engineers in California get to design and program the robots and maybe even fly out to WI and supervise the installation.
     
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    The vast majority of the plant, if built, will be robotic. New jobs will be minimal. :apple:
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    ....and your point is what? Wisconsin Dairy Farmers Kids are not good enough? :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes this is EXACTLY why the current system is the best thing. What I was hinting at above: If an "America First" person were negotiating with China about how to split up jobs he'd say "Lets put all the 180K per year engineering and design jobs in California and all the minimum wage zero-skill manufacturing jobs in China." You would THINK the Chinese would object to such a plan but NO. That is what happened.

    But now maybe things are reversing and it will be Americans working 12 hour shift in dead end jobs for minimum wage building Chines designed goods that they themselves will never be able to afford.
     
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    Trump has given speeches and proposed policies and budgets for vocational education. This sure feels related.
     

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