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Apple Silicon in 2022 has been pretty poor. I just rewatched the reveal of the M2 MacBook Air 5 months ago and the reveal of the M1 at the end of 2020. Look how exited Jony Suruji is when talking about the M1. Then you compare to his M2 presentation... he's an engineer, not a showman, and he's not great at faking it. You can tell that the M2 is not something that he and his team are proud of.
 
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And if higher US labour costs affect the price of products. I suspect they will even if Tim manages to find cost savings somewhere else.
lol, no question about high labour costs, no way they'll pay them as they do in china, even if they find a way to save money in other means.
 
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Will have to see how expensive those chips will cost.

And if higher US labour costs affect the price of products. I suspect they will even if Tim manages to find cost savings somewhere else.

lol, no question about high labour costs, no way they'll pay them as they do in china, even if they find a way to save money in other means.

Chip manufacturing is a highly specialized job with low labour demand. Unlike device assembly where virtually anyone can be trained to sit in a line to tighten a screw and paid so little because they can be swapped out any time for another lemming, chip manufacturing is possible in the US because it's a better paid skilled role, even in China.
 
So, we're looking at fall 2023 for the M2 Pro/Max/Ultras?
Would kinda make sense, as I see Apple updating their iMac line with an M2 and a 27" and a new design for the mac mini too.
The only thing that's not right is the macbooks...
There have been quite a few rumours detailing how apple will very soon release a refresh of the macbook pros...
This leads me to believe the M2 Pro and Max won't be 3nm
 
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“Speaking to reporters on Monday in Taipei, Morris Chang said the 3-nanometre plant would be located at the same Arizona site as the 5-nanometre plant.”

But will they work in US devices? They are only compatible with nanometers
 
So what does this ultimately mean for when products like the Mac will move to 3 NM? Because from the sound of it, the M2 Pro, Max, Ultra might actually either still be 5 or 4 NM until 3 NM is available, which might not be until 2025.
 
“Speaking to reporters on Monday in Taipei, Morris Chang said the 3-nanometre plant would be located at the same Arizona site as the 5-nanometre plant.”

But will they work in US devices? They are only compatible with nanometers
It's actually based on a 0.0000000098425 foot blueprint they just convert it to nanometers for the marketing materials.
 
Excellent news and counter to those that were downplaying the new facility claiming it would be outdated before it ever made its first chip.
 
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Picking Arizona defeats what purpose?
Picking Arizona essentially transfer a vulnerable target into an equally vulnerable but slightly better protected place. A couple ICBM can make short work of those plants if all of them are in arizona. At least put them in different states.
 
FYI, this does nothing if China gains full control over Taiwan.

Why? Because without Taiwan's expertise, this plant won't be able to operate for long.

I'd hope the US has a plan to evacuate TSMC's expertise to the states if Chinese control of Taiwan is imminent.
 
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Picking Arizona essentially transfer a vulnerable target into an equally vulnerable but slightly better protected place. A couple ICBM can make short work of those plants if all of them are in arizona. At least put them in different states.
If we are considering a situation where Arizona experiences "a couple ICBM", I think there will be bigger priorities than 3nm chip production.
 
When China invades Taiwan, we have to be prepared for Taiwan to move to the U.S. Not saying that is good or bad, but the only remaining good chip manufacturing engineers are in Taiwan and China.
Umm there are a lot of outstanding Chip engineers in the US and Europe as well. That might be a generalization.
 
This is excellent.

I heard they were in talks with Frito-Lay to help with production of chips. But Apple wasn’t happy with the amount of air used in their packaging.
I agree! this is excellent news. Let's apply for a job at TSMC. I heard Arizona is a good place to live in. Especially good for retirement.
 
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