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It is still incredibly dim, reaching only 478 nits of brightness. That’s odd to me since regular OLED can get that bright. What is Dell doing with that tandem OLED if not exploiting it for similar brightness iPads can attain?
I think it’s a limitation of the panel from LG.

From LG Display’s press release:
it has also been certified as Display HDR (High Dynamic Range) True Black 500 by the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA).
 
I'm getting old, I read that as Tandy display and though WTH, Radio Shack has been out of business for a very long time.

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There are currently two devices that have tandem OLED panels. All of us know about the iPad Pros, but not as many know about the Dell XPS 13 2024 with Snapdragon X Elite. There is something rather curious about that tandem OLED panel, though. It is still incredibly dim, reaching only 478 nits of brightness. That’s odd to me since regular OLED can get that bright. What is Dell doing with that tandem OLED if not exploiting it for similar brightness iPads can attain?

From stories I’ve read, there are no other laptops on the horizon currently that will have these panels.
I think the benefits of the tandem OLED over traditional OLED are brightness and longevity. If tandem OLED are going to add substantial costs to use, then it becomes much less attractive because a) 500 nit OLED laptops are plenty bright for most people, and b) there are a plethora of beautiful 3K OLED laptops on the market that are half the price of a similarly configured MBP. If I can invest half as much now and keep it half as long then upgrade to the latest-greatest in a few years instead of keeping my uber-expensive MBP for 6 years, I think I might stick with the former.

I presume Dell skimped on the OLED to keep costs down (they seem to be in money-hoarding mode lately with everything priced like Apple). But who needs 1000+ nits unless you watch a lot of HDR movies (on a laptop? what's the point?) or do HDR video editing. Otherwise, it's just too bright.
 
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The new M4 iPad is the first screen that I haven't been able to use since screens began, and I've been staring at screens since the 80s. There was just something about it that my eyes didn't like. It made my eyes burn and they got really tired after only staring at it for 15 minutes. I ended up returning it and going back to the M2. I was really looking forward to the M4 and the colors were so sharp on it but I couldn't justify spending the $$$ and hoping that my eyes would somehow adapt.

I hope that they keep some screens LCD. I ended up getting an M3 MBA and I've had no problems with it. I'm hoping that there's some new screen tech in the future that doesn't cause me eye issues. My work laptop is an M1 MBP and I can stare at it for hours with no eye issues.
Same issue I was experiencing. I had to return both the 13" and 11" M4 iPad. Luckily I was able to pickup a 12.9 M2 Pro at a great sale price. I loved the new iPads they just didn't like me.
 
Strange how Apple want to be the first to new process nodes, but will take years rolling out new display technologies

Like someone else said, Apple prefers somewhat matured tech, but whats also important and people tend to forget is that Apple needs to equip gazillion of units with parts. Maybe Apple would like to put tandem oled panels in all their products today, but is LG able to produce a gazillion panels this year? Likely not. TSMC seems to be able to produce enough 3nm SoCs.
 
Honestly, I've never found myself saying, "if only my display was brighter". They need to get on with base 16 GB of RAM in all Macs, and focus on adding more ports to Macs such as SD Card and HDMI on MBA, and an additional thunderbolt 4 for MBP—two for MBA, four for MBP. Port count, yes; port variety, no.
 
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Reduced power consumption and increased brightness are both good, obviously. But new tech (and double some components?) probably means increased cost, too... though it would hopefully come down over time.
Finally a reasoned response instead of knee-jerk negativity.
 
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I think the benefits of the tandem OLED over traditional OLED are brightness and longevity. If tandem OLED are going to add substantial costs to use, then it becomes much less attractive because a) 500 nit OLED laptops are plenty bright for most people, and b) there are a plethora of beautiful 3K OLED laptops on the market that are half the price of a similarly configured MBP. If I can invest half as much now and keep it half as long then upgrade to the latest-greatest in a few years instead of keeping my uber-expensive MBP for 6 years, I think I might stick with the former.

I presume Dell skimped on the OLED to keep costs down (they seem to be in money-hoarding mode lately with everything priced like Apple). But who needs 1000+ nits unless you watch a lot of HDR movies (on a laptop? what's the point?) or do HDR video editing. Otherwise, it's just too bright.
500 nits is fine for an M5 MacBook Air. It's not so fine for an M5 Max MacBook Pro, precisely because of HDR editing.
 
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My mom (age 74) got the new iPad Pro M4 and she is loving the display. She wears glasses when using it, of course. But I haven't heard any complaints from her.... just said the display is much better than her iPad Pro from before (which I guess was about 4 or 5 years older). Anyway..... I'm really curious about people in this thread complaining that the display bothers them. I would imagine they tested it quite a lot before deciding to use it. I wonder how many % of people are bothered by the new display?
 
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If it uses PWM (pulse-width modulation, aka flickering) then I won’t be buying it. Apple needs to stop using PWM in their products because it gives many of their customers eyestrain, headaches, and nausea.
I’ll put your complaint in with those claiming their Watch burns their skin and WiFi gives them headaches. A tiny minority trying to dictate how something is built.
 
Like someone else said, Apple prefers somewhat matured tech, but whats also important and people tend to forget is that Apple needs to equip gazillion of units with parts. Maybe Apple would like to put tandem oled panels in all their products today, but is LG able to produce a gazillion panels this year? Likely not. TSMC seems to be able to produce enough 3nm SoCs.
Apple could have put traditional 2.8K OLED panels in their MacBook Air series and no one would have complained (and most would say how great they look). They're cheap enough that Apple could have used them and NOT raised the price! And in the Air, no one is expecting "Pro" specs. Apple sticks with low-tech panels in the Air instead.
 
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I am going to be the weird one here, I hope they do not use this for the pro line for all units. I had to return the m4 iPad Pro cause the text was fringed and blurry and gave me headaches. The screen looked amazing for video but I, yes I me only me went to read text it was not great. I have not had any issues with any of the amazing LCD lineup. I want them to figure out how to increase the density to over come this sticking point for me and the very few others like me.
If you don’t already wear glasses, it might be a good idea to see an optometrist to make sure there is nothing wrong.
 
Apple could have put traditional 2.8K OLED panels in their MacBook Air series and no one would have complained (and most would say how great they look).

Agreed .. there are new Copilot+ laptops with OLEDs ... starting at like $1200
It's like -- c'mon Apple
 
500 nits is fine for an M5 MacBook Air. It's not so fine for an M5 Max MacBook Pro, precisely because of HDR editing.
Curious on your estimate of TOTAL MBP buyers, how many do HDR video editing? More than 50%? Because otherwise you're just overcharging most of your customers by including tech that is for just a very small minority (who, TBH, probably use larger Pro monitors).
 
Curious on your estimate of TOTAL MBP buyers, how many do HDR video editing? More than 50%? Because otherwise you're just overcharging most of your customers by including tech that is for just a very small minority (who, TBH, probably use larger Pro monitors).

It's way past time for Apple to offer panel upgrade options
I'm really surprised they haven't as it seems like something Tim would love (more components to upcharge for)

An MBA with an OLED would be my combo of choice
 
Sounds like it'll add $1k to the MacBooks in that case

Why?
"It's Apple" :rolleyes:
To be fair, Dell is screwing people by making them upgrade to 32GB RAM to get OLED (like somehow, RAM is tied to display tech?), so the $500 covers both, but the fact they do that at all is another Dell money-grubbing tactic (and I thought Apple had the crown for that!).
 
To be fair, Dell is screwing people by making them upgrade to 32GB RAM to get OLED (like somehow, RAM is tied to display tech?), so the $500 covers both

Yeah, that's crummy

Reasonable "value" at $500 for both of those compared to Apple at least

Dell aspires to be Apple by copying the upgrade pricing screw jobs where able
 
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It's way past time for Apple to offer panel upgrade options
I'm really surprised they haven't as it seems like something Tim would love (more components to upcharge for)

An MBA with an OLED would be my combo of choice
How can Tim possibly beat his $400 upcharge for 16GB RAM in the MBA? Yeah, yeah...Magical Unicorn (I mean Unified) memory...fancy talk for something that isn't that magical and probably costs far less than adding chips to board since it's part of the manufacture of the SoC.
 
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