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JohnGrey

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Apr 21, 2012
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Listen, with all due respect I think you're very wrong on this. I'm a pediatric specialist. Kids today face pressures that simply did not exist when we were kids. The quick dissemination of information to literally everyone you know is not something that you would've experienced in the 80s or 90s.

Oh, rubbish. It's paediatric specialists that treat kids like special snowflakes and browbeat school administrations to hand out participation trophies so the fat ones or uncoordinated ones or unmotivated ones don't have any reason to better themselves that are the root of all of this. Western society has infantilised children to the point of uselessness and social paralysis, turned them into throbbing exposed nerves where everything must be a soaring peak or crushing low. It's a cruel and difficult world and kids need to understand this and learn to grow some armor because no one is going to pick them up and croon to them in commiseration about the injustice of the world every time someone treats them in a way other than they expect.
 
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JohnGrey

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Apr 21, 2012
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Cincinnati Metro
My point is, it's on parents and teachers to set good examples* for kids by modeling appropriate behavior and helping them understand why certain behaviors are helpful or harmful. Apple, Google, and Microsoft shouldn't have to limit freedom of expression to make up for deficiencies in that area.

Well, that's something of catch-22, innit? Parents redressing their kids has all but become labelled another form of bullying. Raise your voice to your child or, God forbid, turn them over your knee and you're a child abuser. Kids today learn at home that if you're good, you're praised and if you're bad, well, you get a time out, or can't go to your music lesson, other such nonsense.
 

Tubamajuba

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Jun 8, 2011
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Well, that's something of catch-22, innit? Parents redressing their kids has all but become labelled another form of bullying. Raise your voice to your child or, God forbid, turn them over your knee and you're a child abuser. Kids today learn at home that if you're good, you're praised and if you're bad, well, you get a time out, or can't go to your music lesson, other such nonsense.
Agreed completely. What so many people (parents, teachers, and others) fail to realize is that raising your voice is actually a wonderful tool when used properly. Being too passive leads to a lack of respect and being too aggressive leads to fear and as they get older, resentment. But when you're predominantly calm and loving, raising your voice is an instant indicator to a child that they are crossing boundaries. They will respect you, and provided you are firm with them from a young age, you'll find that you raise your voice less and less as they get older- many children will develop a sense of intrinsic morals when given persistent guidance.

Regarding spanking, I believe that is entirely up to the parents. I don't have much of an opinion either way, except to say that I was spanked at a young age and I am confident that it had absolutely no negative affect on my emotional and mental development, but it certainly helped me understand the boundaries my parents set for me.

Last but not least, I think we need to really focus on teaching kids that making mistakes has absolutely no bearing on their self-worth. So many kids are obsessively afraid of failing in various aspects of their life, and we as adults sometimes have a tendency to downplay their failure instead of helping them come to terms with it and learn from it.
 

s1m

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Apr 28, 2008
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Actually again you didnt read the article. The emoji supports the ad campaign. the emoji is not the ad campaign. try and understand the difference.
 
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itguy06

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Mar 8, 2006
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In the 80s and 90s could you send a message about someone to 100 or 500 people instantly that could then be forwarded on to thousands more with the hashtag #s1misugly? or worse?

Sure. There was CompuServe, Prodigy and AOL in the mid to late 90s. And you could use that as a teaching lesson. People grow tired and move on. Or just turn your Twitter off and it will blow over. Like everything does.
 

itguy06

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Mar 8, 2006
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Oh, rubbish. It's paediatric specialists that treat kids like special snowflakes and browbeat school administrations to hand out participation trophies so the fat ones or uncoordinated ones or unmotivated ones don't have any reason to better themselves that are the root of all of this. Western society has infantilised children to the point of uselessness and social paralysis, turned them into throbbing exposed nerves where everything must be a soaring peak or crushing low. It's a cruel and difficult world and kids need to understand this and learn to grow some armor because no one is going to pick them up and croon to them in commiseration about the injustice of the world every time someone treats them in a way other than they expect.

This X10000! The Internet has an off button. So does your phone. Teach them to use it. I was tat fat, uncoordinated kid growing up. No trophy for me when I tried sports and I turned out fine. Why? Cause my parents nurtured the things I was into and didn't force me to it. And I know I'm not going to succeed at everything. And that's OK. Humility works for me just fine.

I also don't get offended easily. Say what you want - doesn't bother me as once you start that I know you're an A.Hole and nothing you says matters.

We need to instill backbones in our kids not coddle them.
 

scaredpoet

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Apr 6, 2007
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Oh, rubbish. It's paediatric specialists that treat kids like special snowflakes and browbeat school administrations to hand out participation trophies so the fat ones or uncoordinated ones or unmotivated ones don't have any reason to better themselves that are the root of all of this. Western society has infantilised children to the point of uselessness and social paralysis, turned them into throbbing exposed nerves where everything must be a soaring peak or crushing low. It's a cruel and difficult world and kids need to understand this and learn to grow some armor because no one is going to pick them up and croon to them in commiseration about the injustice of the world every time someone treats them in a way other than they expect.

Hey now, you are totally bullying that person by having a different opinion, and I'm not going to stand for it. And to show you I mean it, I'm going to paste in some obscure emoji that not everyone can see to shame you into silence. ‍‍ Because my shaming someone into silence for having a different opinion is totally not bullying... when I do it.

EDIT: Ha! MR's forum software doesn't support Unicode 8. ‍How insensitive. And possibly supporting of bullying. ;)
 

cote32mt

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Feb 16, 2011
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Deerfield NH
And this is different than the rumors at school, passing of notes, whispering when you walk down the hall, etc. how? You can turn off text messaging, block them on Facebook, get off Twitter, etc.

And if your self esteem is that shallow you need more help from your parents, friends, teachers, shrink, whatever.

I was the fat kid in grade and middle school that got picked on a bit. Had my core friends and didn't listen to those ******s. My self esteem was not measured by what those idiots thought. Grew up, dropped the weight, made new friends in college and afterwards and live a great life. Successful in both business and personal lives.

The sooner you learn not everyone is going to like you and many will trash talk you behind your back and that none of that BS means anything to you the better off you will be.
It's really great that things worked out for you! What about those who don't quite meet your abilities?
 

Tech198

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Mar 21, 2011
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lol. i think it's called "I'm ruining to the principal"

My personal favorite ... "You wouldn't hurt a guy with glasses on would you?"

how do u get to a speech bubble, and anti-bullying ?

It looks more like a one eyed person.... they all do in that video.. yet the example underneath only shows it as a speech bubble, then iterates it as such anti bullying.
 

Arcady

macrumors 6502
May 24, 2002
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Lexington, KY
I haven't read all of this, but just do a George McFly in Biff's face and you're done. Since when do we need to cater to cowards and morons? Everyone has gotten picked on at some point. You need to learn how to stand up for yourself.
 

elmateo487

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Jun 12, 2008
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Of course. Don't you know that today everyone is special, gets a gold star, a trophy and must be coddled every minute of every day? There are no losers only winners, and you can't tell kids how it is...

Yes, I was bullied in school. I still had my core friends and family to rely on. I got over it and it made me a stronger and better person. Teaching your kids how to deal with it is so much better than some emoji or this coddling we do today.

You were bullied at school! Not every second of the day, which is what kids are having to deal with. You could go home to your friends and family. Kids these days carry their bully in their pocket.

They are not the same thing.
 

tshrimp

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DTphonehome

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Apr 4, 2003
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Oh, rubbish. It's paediatric specialists that treat kids like special snowflakes and browbeat school administrations to hand out participation trophies so the fat ones or uncoordinated ones or unmotivated ones don't have any reason to better themselves that are the root of all of this. Western society has infantilised children to the point of uselessness and social paralysis, turned them into throbbing exposed nerves where everything must be a soaring peak or crushing low. It's a cruel and difficult world and kids need to understand this and learn to grow some armor because no one is going to pick them up and croon to them in commiseration about the injustice of the world every time someone treats them in a way other than they expect.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but as they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. There are reams of studies from the past 20 years which vehemently disagree with what you're saying. (I would cite them but I am on mobile for the next few days).

This is not some namby-pamby nonsense cooked up by the media. I'm sure your opinion on the matter will change if and when you have children of your own who are subject to this type of abuse ( and I hope they never are).
 
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DTphonehome

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Sure. There was CompuServe, Prodigy and AOL in the mid to late 90s. And you could use that as a teaching lesson. People grow tired and move on. Or just turn your Twitter off and it will blow over. Like everything does.

CompuServe, prodigy, and their ilk enjoyed nowhere near the prevalence of usage that current services do. And I wager to say that the primary users of those services back then are more likely to have been bullied rather than themselves doing the bullying.

Rumors and innuendo certainly were part of life in the 80s and 90s, but not the constant stream you have today.

Please leave this topic to the experts, as I'm sure you expect people to not tell you how to do your IT job.
 

Substance90

macrumors 6502a
Oct 13, 2011
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Right, first world problems - cyber bullying, fat shaming, charity shaming... some people have way too much time on their hands and apparently can't deal with the fact that the internet is full of idiots.
 
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