Apple Surpassed 10% Share of Notebook Market in 2015 Amid Industry Decline

[Toltepeceno]

I would disagree with the MBA. It's long overdue for a better display.

The only thing with that is that apple will tack on several hundred dollars if they add retina which would be 2560-by-1600 on the 13". A bump would be good though to at least 1080.
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Still rocking a top spec 2012 Retina 15" with no reason to update, good laptops

Hey, with an ssd the 2012 series is still good. I really wish apple would to to a 2 year release cycle though on osx, it seems like the first year of the release cycle is always beta testing, the second or (extension os) is better. That's my biggest complaint, the hardware is good lets see some more action on the software.

 

[tmanto02]

It doesn't surprise me... If the rest of the market is anything like me, we've relied heavily on iPads for the past few years which cannibalized MacBook sales. Then as iPhones have improved and screen size increased, we've shifted our media consumption to the iPhone instead of the iPad, again creating a market for the MacBook.

Personally i'm glad I use my MacBook more now...Productivity has increased dramatically!

 

[ani4ani]

"So many?"

Maybe 5% of all Macs.

Not a chance, just see the sales figures for Parallels etc. Every single Mac owner I know (granted only 5 folks) all run theirs with Windows on.

Let's be honest Mac sales have all grown since they went Intel, basically the ability to run Windows and actually run software
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Disagree ^^^

Lack of IT imagination (from your company's IT):
Given today's maturity of desktop OS virtualization (sorted in decresing preference order: Parallels, VMWare Fusion, Virtual Box), a virtualized MBPr/MBA hardware has no limitations on software.

Where is the niche?

Where's the point?

 

[MH01]

Hey, with an ssd the 2012 series is still good. I really wish apple would to to a 2 year release cycle though on osx, it seems like the first year of the release cycle is always beta testing, the second or (extension os) is better. That's my biggest complaint, the hardware is good lets see some more action on the software.

Totally agree with you

 

[mi7chy]

People don't upgrade that often. Still have a 2007 Thinkpad that runs Windows 8.1 Pro and another 2008 Thinkpad that runs Windows 10 Pro fine. When I finally did upgrade I got a Surface Pro 4 because it's more versatile than the traditional clamshell.

 

[ani4ani]

I'm speculating. I'm entitled to, as I didn't claim "So many macs" have Windows installed.

Running Windows on a Mac is like filling a mansion with farm animals

Having a Mac without Windows is like running a farm with no animals

 

[thekeyring]

Got a 15" MacBook Pro last year... couldn't be happier. Looks like lots of others have bought MacBooks, too!
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Having a Mac without Windows is like running a farm with no animals

This is a little harsh. I don't run Windows on mine - I have no need to, and I don't feel like I'm on my own. None of my friends or family members run Windows on their Macs. Those people include a range of users from casual to business owner, to computer geek, so I don't think it's just my little sheltered corner of the world.

 

[Toltepeceno]

This is a little harsh.

So's the post he/she replied to, it's just plain ridiculous.

 

[mi7chy]

Having a Mac without Windows is like running a farm with no animals

Pretty much considering all the professional software like OrCAD, Solidworks, ANSYS, etc. only run on Windows or Linux.

 

[MikeSmoke]

Hey look. I'm using a mid 2009 15" MacBook Pro. Top of the line from that era. 2.8 Core2duo, discrete graphics. I paid $450 for it used about 2 years ago. Invested $129 for a new battery. My point is this. The machine still rocks. It runs Logic Pro X like a champ. It has paid for itself many times over in the work that I have done. It has never failed me. Continues to take the latest OSX updates, and in fact, it works better now than when I bought it.

 

[Michael Goff]

Having a Mac without Windows is like running a farm with no animals

If you're just going to run Windows, there are better laptops for that.

 

[AppleScruff1]

If you're just going to run Windows, there are better laptops for that.

Quite true, but it is nice to be able to run both on quality hardware.

 

[Toltepeceno]

Pretty much considering all the professional software like OrCAD, Solidworks, ANSYS, etc. only run on Windows or Linux.

Exactly and here in mexico most of the schools, equivalent to high school in the us, require solidworks, excel, (depending on what they are taking) there is a list of them. I remember solidworks and excel off the top of my head as one son has had to have both the last few years.

The schools pirate them and tell the kids to. I have a microsoft 360 subscription mostly for them. Wrong? Absolutely but I don't know anyone that can afford solidworks and I am the only person I know that has an office 360 subscription.

 

[MH01]

I'm speculating. I'm entitled to, as I didn't claim "So many macs" have Windows installed.

Running Windows on a Mac is like filling a mansion with farm animals

we get it , you hate windows , move on.... Plenty more than you speculate enjoy it on a Mac. I'll guarantee you, end of this year and another yearly OS X release, Windows 10 will be very stable will we get a whole bunch of new bugs..... Its not so smug being a OS X user, like it used to be, yearly updates have really hit quality.

 

[Toltepeceno]

we get it , you hate windows , move on.... Plenty more than you speculate enjoy it on a Mac. I'll guarantee you, end of this year and another yearly OS X release, Windows 10 will be very stable will we get a whole bunch of new bugs..... Its not so smug being a OS X user, like it used to be, yearly updates have really hit quality.

Exactly and well said. I'm not a brand loyal fanboy but I really like the osx ui. I just wish so many people wouldn't accept how things are and maybe apple would begin to care. Apple should be blowing windows away and they are not, they keep releasing buggy, yearly beta software.

 

[Elijen]

Ugh, those story intro graphics are cruel. Everytime I see one I think "yay!" Apple has finally gotten off their %$# and updated their notebook line.

Lol same here. "Yay! finally I can buy a new toy ...... nope, just another false alarm"

 

[2457282]

If you work out the numbers Apple isn't actually selling that a lot more. They are maintaining the same number of sales while the total for the industry is shrinking which makes their percentage increase. Specifically, if the numbers in the table are accurate then they sold 16.32 million in 2014 (9.3% x 175.5 industry total) and 16.99 million in 2015. And they are predicting 16.39 for 2016. As the pool shrinks they look bigger, but in fact they are not growing.

 

[DevNull0]

For my part, I really hope they give us slam-bang, kick-ass machines this time around, but it feels like the hope train gets derailed year after frakkin' year.

I used to look forward to Apple product announcements and they almost always ended up being expensive for me. For the last 4 years, it's been nothing up disappointment. I've long since given up hoping for a slam-bang machine from them. The 2014 mac mini was the final nail in their coffin for me.

 

[iTom17]

Unless your crappy plastic windows notebook was 1,300 dollars - not really a logical comparison. You just said it - you get what you pay for.

As I said in a comment later at someone else, that crappy notebook cost me €900. It's not $1300, but believe me, if you think €900 isn't much for a plastic notebook you're crazy. Only notebooks less than €500 should be made out of plastic. Or they'd need things like the latest processor, more RAM, an SSD, a better display and a better battery. Mine didn't have all of that. The processor was already two years old when I bought it (and it went on the markt nearly a half year prior to that), it had 6 GB RAM, and a 5400 RPM HDD with 500 GB of storage, a bad 1080p panel and the battery was like... Crap. Nothing close to what a €900 laptop should have.

So yeah, you'll get what you pay for, my ass... Look, I'm not saying the notebook in general was really bad. But the only way to 'justify' the purchase of that thing, was by plugging it into the outlet 99% of the time I used it, upgrading the RAM and switched the HDD with an SSD. And thanks to the HDMI port I was able to show the display on my television for a better viewing experience... which I did all the time at home.

There's obviously better laptops for the same price, I know that. But that shouldn't matter at all. For something around 1000 euros I should expect better. Not going to justify any of it.

 

[rjohnstone]

Disagree ^^^

Lack of IT imagination (from your company's IT):
Given today's maturity of desktop OS virtualization (sorted in decresing preference order: Parallels, VMWare Fusion, Virtual Box), a virtualized MBPr/MBA hardware has no limitations on software.

Where is the niche?

Too much overhead in running VM's. We tried it. Security and maintenance was horrid.
Not to mention the added costs of running two operating systems.

 

[hiddenmarkov]

Disagree ^^^

Lack of IT imagination (from your company's IT):
Given today's maturity of desktop OS virtualization (sorted in decresing preference order: Parallels, VMWare Fusion, Virtual Box), a virtualized MBPr/MBA hardware has no limitations on software.

Where is the niche?

Why buy a 2000+ laptop to run windows most of the time? Where I work apple is limited to the graphic artists. less than 10 out of over 1000 users. as long as they cough up the cash from budget, they get them. Otherwise we'd say here is your new shiny dell....

Case of organization IT it can break down to money. Dell with even basic 24-48 hour parts replacement cheaper than a MB(P) sans applecare. Dell and others also can be haggled with. Our dell reps...great guys. Money falls off our initial research price used to get a quote due to size of orders and we have been good customers for many years. More than once I have gotten systems with configurations not even on the site as well. Site had no SAS option, talked with the rep....server got SAS'd just like that.

Other factors hurting mac os in the enterprise is they don't play very well with a nice AD setup. I as an enterprise admin love my GPO. And my SCCM. And other tools. STIG changed a few settings in a revision...after testing a GPO goes out and 1000+ computers changed in a heartbeat (server-client heartbeat for push-pull that is lol, about 15 minutes give or take).

Also your faith in virtualization is kind of funny. It's what is killing apple at this point in many places. Virtualization took off. I love my ESX systems. They have emptied out a rack of servers. And we aren't even done yet migrating. I love my local VM's on my tower and laptop.

Mac OS does not support this. Here is why its hurting them.....no VM's (esx, local installs on PC's) means if someone has a grand apple scheme it can't be tested unless hardware bought. getting several macs/mb's signed off on a project that may not work or be implemented....lots of luck there. Last year a rough year for me. 2 major projects I spent a fair amount of time on were killed with extreme prejudice. Only upside was it was virtualized. No hardware costs so no money lost here.

I get this option with even cisco. A few apps (free or pay) can create virtual infrastructures for testing. what can be over 100K USD easily is setup, tested and liked potentially before we even spend the money on the call to our sales rep and say lets talk numbers.

 

[Zaqfalcon]

10% is 10%; whether it's an industry in decline or an industry in ascendancy.

 

[AppleScruff1]

As I said in a comment later at someone else, that crappy notebook cost me €900. It's not $1300, but believe me, if you think €900 isn't much for a plastic notebook you're crazy. Only notebooks less than €500 should be made out of plastic. Or they'd need things like the latest processor, more RAM, an SSD, a better display and a better battery. Mine didn't have all of that. The processor was already two years old when I bought it (and it went on the markt nearly a half year prior to that), it had 6 GB RAM, and a 5400 RPM HDD with 500 GB of storage, a bad 1080p panel and the battery was like... Crap. Nothing close to what a €900 laptop should have.

So yeah, you'll get what you pay for, my ass... Look, I'm not saying the notebook in general was really bad. But the only way to 'justify' the purchase of that thing, was by plugging it into the outlet 99% of the time I used it, upgrading the RAM and switched the HDD with an SSD. And thanks to the HDMI port I was able to show the display on my television for a better viewing experience... which I did all the time at home.

There's obviously better laptops for the same price, I know that. But that shouldn't matter at all. For something around 1000 euros I should expect better. Not going to justify any of it.

If it was so crappy and there are better options out there, why did you buy it?

 

[zephonic]

HP and Lenovo continued to lead the notebook industry in 2015 with around 20% market share each, but Apple is now within striking distance of Dell for third place.

Hmm, a 3.4% difference is "within striking distance"? the spin is strong in this one...

Let me massage the exact same data with a different spin:

Dell extends marketshare lead over Apple from 3% to 3.4%


The manipulation of data has gotten out of control.

10% is 10%; whether it's an industry in decline or an industry in ascendancy.

Yes. But if the data is correct, Apple went from selling 16.3M to nearly 17M (rounding errors etc.)

To increase sales in a declining market is probably a bit more meaningful than the actual marketshare.

 

[a.gomez]

As I said in a comment later at someone else, that crappy notebook cost me €900. It's not $1300, but believe me, if you think €900 isn't much for a plastic notebook you're crazy. Only notebooks less than €500 should be made out of plastic. Or they'd need things like the latest processor, more RAM, an SSD, a better display and a better battery. Mine didn't have all of that. The processor was already two years old when I bought it (and it went on the markt nearly a half year prior to that), it had 6 GB RAM, and a 5400 RPM HDD with 500 GB of storage, a bad 1080p panel and the battery was like... Crap. Nothing close to what a €900 laptop should have.

So yeah, you'll get what you pay for, my ass... Look, I'm not saying the notebook in general was really bad. But the only way to 'justify' the purchase of that thing, was by plugging it into the outlet 99% of the time I used it, upgrading the RAM and switched the HDD with an SSD. And thanks to the HDMI port I was able to show the display on my television for a better viewing experience... which I did all the time at home.

There's obviously better laptops for the same price, I know that. But that shouldn't matter at all. For something around 1000 euros I should expect better. Not going to justify any of it.

Well that is 1,000 dollars - not sure where you are in Europe but if that is what you get for that price - you are right, that is unacceptable.