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Apple Surveying MacBook Pro Users About Headphone Jack and Other Ports
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There is no need to ditch TB when it is possible to combine USB3.1 type-C with TB3 using the same port.
Can you post your screenshots or list the questions you were asked. I am very curious.
Why its not coming, back, you going to skip 8, 9 , 10 etc...
I use USB headphones, so don't care less if the old tech of a 3.5mm headphone jack goes.
I'm actually a bit surprised they need a survey to get that information. I'd think it would be quite easy to send these stats/meta data anonymously to Apple in the background?
Or does only Microsoft do this?
Looking at the diagnostics panel in OS X (sorry, MacOS), the information gathered includes information about the devices connected to the Mac, but is only sent under certain circumstances (such as if an app crashes or you force quit one). I guess they could always update this policy, but can you imagine the headlines if they did that!?
From the Privacy panel on Sierra GM:
You'll probably need an adaptor to use them when they change to USB-C ports.
Even if they lose out of them it will be nothing to Apple
Vast majority of mac users are just your average joe at a coffee shop
I care more to having the jack on my phone than my laptop. I actually never use the headphone jack on any of my laptops, but I will be clicking YES if I received that survey
On the phone, I would've preferred to lose that physical mute switch than the headphone jack.
I do wonder if Apple is just trolling, like that supposed Twitter leak about iPhone 7 preorder opening the same day of the announcement during the event.
On the phone, I would've preferred to lose that physical mute switch than the headphone jack.
I do wonder if Apple is just trolling, like that supposed Twitter leak about iPhone 7 preorder opening the same day of the announcement during the event.
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Change for the sake of change is rarely good, but sadly seems to have become the norm for Apple.
I understand that technology has reached a plateau and that it's harder for Apple to give you a reason to 'upgrade'.
However, intentionally nobbling products like they have with the 'Mac Pro' & 'MacBook Pro' is ridiculous and often feels like a downgrade rather an update.
Professional products should have more connectivity and more options not less.
The reason I still use my 2009 Mac Pro and my 2011 17" MacBook Pro is not because I want to - it's because I have to.
Apple effectively kills it's own product line and then leaves you with no viable alternative to replace it with and then will claim that there isn't the demand (sigh).
Apple dropped the Floppy disk because USB was the new standard.
They dropped the optical disc because wireless & pen drives were the new standard.
There's no natural replacement for the headphone socket or SD cards which are ubiquitous in DSLR cameras, so to kill these off would be a massive mistake.
When Apple try and offer a proprietary solution to a connection that is universally used it usually ends in tears.
Anyone remember ADC for it's displays?
The truth is it probably won't affect sales.
As someone else on this thread already said, what's the alternative?
However, the fact that my 2011 Macbook Pro with Thunderbolt, Firewire, USB, digital I/O and PCI express port will be compatible with more products than the MacBook Pro that replaces it half a decade later shows that their 'Pro' badge has less meaning now than it ever has before and that cannot be good for anyone who uses their products.
I understand that technology has reached a plateau and that it's harder for Apple to give you a reason to 'upgrade'.
However, intentionally nobbling products like they have with the 'Mac Pro' & 'MacBook Pro' is ridiculous and often feels like a downgrade rather an update.
Professional products should have more connectivity and more options not less.
The reason I still use my 2009 Mac Pro and my 2011 17" MacBook Pro is not because I want to - it's because I have to.
Apple effectively kills it's own product line and then leaves you with no viable alternative to replace it with and then will claim that there isn't the demand (sigh).
Apple dropped the Floppy disk because USB was the new standard.
They dropped the optical disc because wireless & pen drives were the new standard.
There's no natural replacement for the headphone socket or SD cards which are ubiquitous in DSLR cameras, so to kill these off would be a massive mistake.
When Apple try and offer a proprietary solution to a connection that is universally used it usually ends in tears.
Anyone remember ADC for it's displays?
The truth is it probably won't affect sales.
As someone else on this thread already said, what's the alternative?
However, the fact that my 2011 Macbook Pro with Thunderbolt, Firewire, USB, digital I/O and PCI express port will be compatible with more products than the MacBook Pro that replaces it half a decade later shows that their 'Pro' badge has less meaning now than it ever has before and that cannot be good for anyone who uses their products.
As a photographer, I too use the SD card slot on my MBP regularly. SD card slot is vital to my workflow. I especially use the SD card slot on wedding day when I am transferring files from my camera to my MBP to back up images and to create a sneak peek slideshow.
Not to be a cynic, but my gut tells me that Apple would be solely making this move for profit and not for the users. However they will present their motivations as "a need to continue to innovate or improve the product."
When transferring photos from an SD card to my MBP, the ideal scenario for me is simply removing the card from my camera and inserting it into my MBP without having to search for a dongle, a memory card reader, then attaching both to the system, then uploading. That's an unnecessarily long winded process compared to inserting an SD card directly into the MBP. Done.
For all of us who need the SD card slot, lets petition Apple to keep it.
Not to be a cynic, but my gut tells me that Apple would be solely making this move for profit and not for the users. However they will present their motivations as "a need to continue to innovate or improve the product."
When transferring photos from an SD card to my MBP, the ideal scenario for me is simply removing the card from my camera and inserting it into my MBP without having to search for a dongle, a memory card reader, then attaching both to the system, then uploading. That's an unnecessarily long winded process compared to inserting an SD card directly into the MBP. Done.
For all of us who need the SD card slot, lets petition Apple to keep it.
I'll replace mine with a Windows machine, an Android phone, and an Android tablet. In a heartbeat. I haven't bought a MacBook since they dropped the 17" model, and I'm still pissed they dropped the optical drive on the DESKTOP machines, where space is not an issue. I still use an optical drive every day. Apple keeps dropping features I use in favor of features I could not care less about. I've been an Apple guy since 1982, but I have no problem leaving them these days.
And BUYING them too! Apple loves selling us connectors for this and adaptors for that. More $$$$. Gross margins on that stuff are outrageous.
Do you use your headphone port on your computer? Oh well tough we are removing that.
Do you use your SD card reader? Oh well tough we are removing that.
Do you use Thinderbolt? Oh well tough we are removing that.
Do you use Mag Safe? Oh well tough we are replacing that with a USB C socket.
Do you use display port? Oh well tough we are removing that.
Welcome to the new pointlessly slimmer reduced functionality McBook Pro range, it took an awful lot of 'courage' to remove all our traditional ports and replace them with 3 USB C ports but we did it to make our 'Pro' computer pointlessly thin.
Pricing from $2000
Apple think different.....
Personally I am not sure if I'll buy another Mac, or computer. If I do though then I'll be looking at Windows laptops with the Nvidia 1060 or 1070 for half the cost of the Mac, as well as the Mac.
Do you use your SD card reader? Oh well tough we are removing that.
Do you use Thinderbolt? Oh well tough we are removing that.
Do you use Mag Safe? Oh well tough we are replacing that with a USB C socket.
Do you use display port? Oh well tough we are removing that.
Welcome to the new pointlessly slimmer reduced functionality McBook Pro range, it took an awful lot of 'courage' to remove all our traditional ports and replace them with 3 USB C ports but we did it to make our 'Pro' computer pointlessly thin.
Pricing from $2000
Apple think different.....
Personally I am not sure if I'll buy another Mac, or computer. If I do though then I'll be looking at Windows laptops with the Nvidia 1060 or 1070 for half the cost of the Mac, as well as the Mac.
That would work if you had only one pair of headphones and never connected any other devices. In my case I have multiple pairs of headphones, some at the office and some at home, and I also occasionally connect to speaker systems. Buying adapters for all those cables would be quite expensive (although I'm sure Apple wouldn't mind all those extra sales) and annoying to other users of the same equipment.
If the rumors about rMBP going all USB-C turns out to be true, then I guess at my next work laptop upgrade I'll be back at Dells despite the inferior trackpads and Windows, as I just don't like the idea of a DongleBook "Pro". Even that next machine will be long dead before all the other equipment in the workplace gets upgraded to USB-C, so I'd need around 4 different adapters every day. That's at least 3 adapters too many.
That's interesting. Not that they are considering removing the headphone jack, as that is inevitable, whether it's the next version, the following or maybe the third at the latest. As people would be able to use an adapter or hopefully wireless.
What's odd is that the new Macs will presumably be announced next month. If they are not, they would have to wait until next year since they can't launch during the Christmas season and can't imagine them waiting even longer for the overdue updates. But if they are launching next month clearly all the hardware is already locked down. So that means they either most likely didnt remove the headphone jack and they are simply asking now to gauge whether to remove it in models launching the following year/later, or they did remove the headphone jack (less likely), and they want to gauge how much of an issue that may be so they can prepare to soften the blow.
What's odd is that the new Macs will presumably be announced next month. If they are not, they would have to wait until next year since they can't launch during the Christmas season and can't imagine them waiting even longer for the overdue updates. But if they are launching next month clearly all the hardware is already locked down. So that means they either most likely didnt remove the headphone jack and they are simply asking now to gauge whether to remove it in models launching the following year/later, or they did remove the headphone jack (less likely), and they want to gauge how much of an issue that may be so they can prepare to soften the blow.
Well hopefully people don't just answer "yes" but answer honestly. Since there are many of us that never use it, and instead listen wirelessly whether through headphones or wireless speakers.
Just like when they asked about removing a CD-ROM everyone said they better not ever remove it (even though most weren't actually using they any more regularly). And thankfully they did remove the CD-ROM. Of course one can say the cd-rom is magnitudes larger than the headphone jack and thus removing it for space isn't as big of reason, but Apple will always push the world further even though many will always want it to stand still.
Possibly. Apple could be debating between two designs, one of which being the leak of the 4 USB Type C ports, but it does seem late to be reconsidering it. Is Apple feeling the heat from review sites which are mixed about the audio jack's removal?
It is also possible that the upcoming update will be transitional and that Apple is looking forward to the following update in 2018 when the notebook lines could converge with the release of Cannon Lake and Coffee Lake. (Coffee Lake will introduce quad-cores with Iris Pro for a TDP of 18/28W instead of the current 45W.)
Apple may also be debating whether or not to replace the 3.5mm audio jack with another USB-C port on the MacBook. Although likely that this is pertinent to a future update, it does not preclude an October update.
They do seem out of touch. I hope this survey reflects genuine interest in the prosumer/professional audience rather than an attempt to find the lowest common denominator to maintain profits.
That is a scary question. Do Tim Cook and Co. actually believe the iPad Pro can handle the same workload as a MBP? Or are sales for the iPad Pro really that weak?
I agree, I wish iPhones were USB-C as well. If wires were here to stay in the long run, I'm sure apple would consider the change but after having changed the port already it wouldn't make sense to change it again only to then in a year or to move to wireless/inductive charging. So I think they will simply keep the thunderbolt until wireless charging appears sooner than later.
Sounds more expensive and frustrating than using an adapter.
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