I've got the Archos 9 tablet, as well as the 2nd gen Kindle. Neither get any but momentary attention because I've got a more portable device that does what the Kindle does and an easier to use desktop PC that does everything the Archos does. The size of these tablets is the problem. They should come with a wide shoulder strap like good camera bags come with. Any case you stick one in would then just be in the way when using the tablet, so the thing itself should be bulletproof and weatherproof. I don't see Apple going that route though.
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my reflections:
1. battery time? there is little written about this.
2. will it be iphone os but with similar access to "finder" like OSX?
3. the bezel around? i've seen patents where you are using your thumbs a great deal. this would be difficult with bezel - like in the sketch. i hope the optimize so the minimize the bezel around the screen.
4. still quite expensive - 1000 USD - for a livingroom surf board...
1. battery time? there is little written about this.
2. will it be iphone os but with similar access to "finder" like OSX?
3. the bezel around? i've seen patents where you are using your thumbs a great deal. this would be difficult with bezel - like in the sketch. i hope the optimize so the minimize the bezel around the screen.
4. still quite expensive - 1000 USD - for a livingroom surf board...
I like that idea. Just replace one screen with a keyboard, then it would be perfect. Give me a couple USB and a firewire port, plus an optical drive, and you've got a winner.
1. Because no one knows
4. Did someone leak the price, how do you know it is going to be $1000. Did someone say this device would only work in a living room?!?
I own a MacBook Pro and I own an iPhone.
I expect Apple desires that I buy this tablet.
Therefore, I expect Apple is not going to offer me an "iPhone Plus" or a "MacBook Minus" that either mimics existing iPhone functionality in a larger form factor or just offers less functionality than what I currently have in a MacBook (Pro).
As a few folks have commented in referring to the original iPod and original iPhone, I expect this tablet will do some of the same things other products offered outside of Apple do, just better. I also expect it will do some things no other product does. And together, that will create a positive value proposition in my mind that makes me at least give serious consideration to buying it.
I expect Apple desires that I buy this tablet.
Therefore, I expect Apple is not going to offer me an "iPhone Plus" or a "MacBook Minus" that either mimics existing iPhone functionality in a larger form factor or just offers less functionality than what I currently have in a MacBook (Pro).
As a few folks have commented in referring to the original iPod and original iPhone, I expect this tablet will do some of the same things other products offered outside of Apple do, just better. I also expect it will do some things no other product does. And together, that will create a positive value proposition in my mind that makes me at least give serious consideration to buying it.
Only if an idea is not worth the dream of it and only then it is really worthless 
OK,
lets play with that theory:
if a tablet had wifi / bluetooth you could use it as an additional display for the hardware you already got (yes, second screen for your MacBook or a larger one for your Ipod
Of course it can be controlled via Apple Remote and can by itself act as a remote.
Even a small OS like Iphone OS does allow for limited functionality it might break the barrier with remote desktop apps, wich allow you to work as a remote user on any machine at your network at home.
I think Apple might go for a product line as with the Ipod's and the MacBooks, which would mean you could get the basic version with say 16GB and 7" Display / WiFi/ Bluetooth/ Camera/ Compass/ Accelerometer/ GPS/ Gyroscope for about $499.
Remember that Apple actually destroyed the market of MP3 players for their competitors by aggressive pricing.
So following the idea of a more advanced device, you might get a 32" GB / 9" display for about $699 and the high end with 64 GB / 11" display for may $899.
And in fact it cant be more expensive than that because of the MacBook, that s a bit bigger, but so it is also in terms of performance anyway. ;-)
Come to think of the wireless keyboard and the magic mouse, you have additional devices present at any Mac owners home that can be used as input devices.
The tablet as i look at it might be a great stand alone product but also a great addition or extension to already present "infrastructure".
All tablets might have GPRS/EDGE units built in but they wont contain a phone as you don't need that part when using VOIP on a GRPS network connection, because in that case all you need and want to get is a network connect somehow. Come on, it really sucks if you try to use a device in the size of a bathroom floor tile to make a call - that even looks stupid.
However, even for GPRS/EDGE you need a telecom provider and it should be up to you if you think that you need to read the news on the road in real time instead of downloading at home and reading offline. (Read, get a contract or not. I believe apple is gonna make its money still by shares of others sales, but they dont care whether its the telco guys or the publishers of content or apps.)
But there is one thing that makes me stumble. There is something with the tablet that distinguishes it from any other apple product. Call it intuition or loss of reality here, but apple is gonna rock the world again and on 27th Jan a lot of people in the industries will then say "Why did we not have that idea - it was so obvious - so close - so WOW. Ok, we just didn't have it. Well, so we do as we always do - lets copy their, erm implement our solution."
Happy waiting all
regards
OK,
lets play with that theory:
if a tablet had wifi / bluetooth you could use it as an additional display for the hardware you already got (yes, second screen for your MacBook or a larger one for your Ipod
Of course it can be controlled via Apple Remote and can by itself act as a remote.
Even a small OS like Iphone OS does allow for limited functionality it might break the barrier with remote desktop apps, wich allow you to work as a remote user on any machine at your network at home.
I think Apple might go for a product line as with the Ipod's and the MacBooks, which would mean you could get the basic version with say 16GB and 7" Display / WiFi/ Bluetooth/ Camera/ Compass/ Accelerometer/ GPS/ Gyroscope for about $499.
Remember that Apple actually destroyed the market of MP3 players for their competitors by aggressive pricing.
So following the idea of a more advanced device, you might get a 32" GB / 9" display for about $699 and the high end with 64 GB / 11" display for may $899.
And in fact it cant be more expensive than that because of the MacBook, that s a bit bigger, but so it is also in terms of performance anyway. ;-)
Come to think of the wireless keyboard and the magic mouse, you have additional devices present at any Mac owners home that can be used as input devices.
The tablet as i look at it might be a great stand alone product but also a great addition or extension to already present "infrastructure".
All tablets might have GPRS/EDGE units built in but they wont contain a phone as you don't need that part when using VOIP on a GRPS network connection, because in that case all you need and want to get is a network connect somehow. Come on, it really sucks if you try to use a device in the size of a bathroom floor tile to make a call - that even looks stupid.
However, even for GPRS/EDGE you need a telecom provider and it should be up to you if you think that you need to read the news on the road in real time instead of downloading at home and reading offline. (Read, get a contract or not. I believe apple is gonna make its money still by shares of others sales, but they dont care whether its the telco guys or the publishers of content or apps.)
But there is one thing that makes me stumble. There is something with the tablet that distinguishes it from any other apple product. Call it intuition or loss of reality here, but apple is gonna rock the world again and on 27th Jan a lot of people in the industries will then say "Why did we not have that idea - it was so obvious - so close - so WOW. Ok, we just didn't have it. Well, so we do as we always do - lets copy their, erm implement our solution."
Happy waiting all
regards
1. i know that no one knows. that was not my point does anybody know anything really? my point is - it is important to have long battery...you dont wanna mess with cables in the living room table etc.
4. again - rumours - about 1000 usd are out there.
does anybody know anything really? my point is - it is important to have long battery...you dont wanna mess with cables in the living room table etc.4. again - rumours - about 1000 usd are out there.
I did a web search for "best designer in the world", and in the first five pages the only Apple reference was someone asking Steve Jobs to design a sports bra.
Perhaps it's not so "widely held", after all
Haha, "slide to unlock" lol! Finally men's troubles wash away with a flick of the finger hehe. Nice!
Oh come on, honestly. Semantics! It is not like I'm putting forth some controversial theory. Ive IS held as best "product" or "industrial" designer in the world. But yes, I could also just generically say "designer". Even his colleagues think so. Watch this video:
Select Phillippe Starck" Rapid Fire Q&A
http://www.engadget.com/show#player
If you don't know who he is, Google him.
Oops. double post.
1. i know that no one knows. that was not my point
4. again - rumours - about 1000 usd are out there.
Well, lets make a quick calc. You have a device that is about 4 times as large as the first Ipod Touch albeit as slim as its "anchestor". So it sports 4 times more space internally for everything. And as long as Apple is not gonna built space wasters like dvd-drives into it that means that you might be able to have a battery of up to 4.5 times bigger than that in the Ipod Touch was. Even if the power consumption of the tablet would be as twice as high you would still have about two times more battery power (actually even more, but lets keep it simple.)
This logic is incomplete. iTab would have 4x bigger screen (major consumer of power) and it has to have more powerful CPU/GPU and more RAM.
Actually, more than that. You get 4x the surface area, and 4x the volume, but the battery increases by more than 4x because the electronics won't take much more space than it does in an iPhone. If the thickness is the same, I would think you'd easily get 6.5-7x the battery volume. Perhaps more, since a unibody aluminum shell would be thinner than plastic.
Agree, display consumes more power, agree to more Video memory, but disagree to more System RAM (even the Ipod touch could make a remote desktop connection to your mac as an X11 client, but you wouldn't really see a dime as the Ipods screen is to small for an entire desktop).
But i think it is still ok to take into account that apple recently improved their batteries, resulting in longer battery time amongst other advantages.
Ok, even if a display 4 times bigger than the one in the Ipod touch will never consume 4 times more power but rather about 2.5 to 2 times. The CPU will most likely be an ARM and those really dont need much. The GPU chips in the Iphone 3Gs should be sufficient for the tablet.
So, still I think that you get a pretty long battery time of about 7 to up to 8 hours.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
So is a 4X bigger battery going to make this Tablet you imagine heavier than a laptop? Or just too heavy relative to the concept of ultimate in mobility?
No, surely not. The heavy parts in Laptops are the power supply, the hard drive and the dvd drive.
Worst case imagine an Ipod touch (about .120 Kg ) and that weight multiplied by 4 (makes about .480 Kg). (Same thickness but 4 times bigger front)
Now add even 50% as worst case increase of weight and you get like .720 Kg. Even the MacBook Air is heavier than that (1.36 Kg).
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
No, surely not. The heavy parts in Laptops are the power supply, the hard drive and the dvd drive.
Worst case imagine an Ipod touch (about .120 Kg ) and that weight multiplied by 4 (makes about .480 Kg). (Same thickness but 4 times bigger front)
Now add even 50% as worst case increase of weight and you get like .720 Kg. Even the MacBook Air is heavier than that (1.36 Kg).
But what gives that Ipod Touch the rest of it's weight? Glass cover, which should be heavier on a bigger device. Metal case, which should be heavier on a bigger device. Guts inside (other than battery), which may or may not be heavier in a bigger device.
I'm with you in terms of desiring long battery life... a media eater like this thing should be built with enough juice to run a good long while between charges. I'm just concerned as we dream it's specs up and up and that it could lose the handful of benefits that seem most attached to it (vs.- say- the laptop argument)...
- Super thin
- Lite weight
- Cool
- Big screen touch UI
Add a big dense battery and "Lite Weight" is in potential jeopardy. Need a bluetooth keyboard and the combination may put the "Super Thin" in jeopardy. Etc.
The simple calc i made was really simple, in that i assumed that the ratio of glass / metal / non battery parts keeps stale while their weight is growing proportionally with the devices size.
However, i did assume that the increased size of the battery increases the devices weight in higher proportion.
But as I stated earlier, i believe, the device will function without any extra hardware but you can use in in conjunction with the hardware you have - if that hardware is somewhat up to date. So, you don't need a bluetooth keyboard, but you could use one. You could even use the tablet as a keyboard only
etc.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
This is interesting: http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune...e-tablet-new-details-leaked/?cnn=yes&hpt=Sbin
Reads like something a little better than guesses and hopeful rumors.
Reads like something a little better than guesses and hopeful rumors.
Um, not sure where to post this but I'm wondering if and why these two videos have been counted out of being real.
Spoilers, I guess, if this is authentic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIGd4aBzhTU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghPkhnCJYw4&feature=channel
Spoilers, I guess, if this is authentic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIGd4aBzhTU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghPkhnCJYw4&feature=channel
My theory is that those videos were done as a way of selling these magazines on the Apple tablet... and those mock-up tablets in the video were designed that way specifically to throw anyone who might be interested off the track of the real design.
I believe this because having the border areas on the longitudinal sides like the iPhone allows someone to hold the tablet in one hand like the iPhone. The design in the video would not allow that.
Having the handle areas on the sides of the longitude would also be good for playing games as well.
I believe this because having the border areas on the longitudinal sides like the iPhone allows someone to hold the tablet in one hand like the iPhone. The design in the video would not allow that.
Having the handle areas on the sides of the longitude would also be good for playing games as well.
don't know how these two videos can be fake,
they are very well done if they are "fake"
the user interface navigation, the shuffle motion, the light reflection ... it seems too good to be fake .... anyone has any effects professional insight if they've seen something fake done that welll ?
they are very well done if they are "fake"
the user interface navigation, the shuffle motion, the light reflection ... it seems too good to be fake .... anyone has any effects professional insight if they've seen something fake done that welll ?
These videos are familiar to frequent participants on this forum. They appear to be authentic. However, that does not mean that they show the real Apple slate in action. We now understand that Apple does full-up design and use studies of products under development. It carefully studies the pluses and minuses of each tested design. This video may have been shot as part of one of these studies. The final product, however, may bear little resemblance to the prototype in the video.