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What?

Do we really need another OS and UI to learn to use?

How hard was it for you to figure out how to use the iPhone OS? I think the learning curve was 5 minutes (for my retired dad). There really was no learning curve since the OS is intuitive and I think the tablet will follow that same line of thought.
 
It is a developer tax.

It's not just a tax, you have to apply and get approval to develop the app.
Then if you want to share your app with more than just a few people, you have to have the app approved by Apple. And no porn or babyshaker apps.
 
We are talking about apps for smartphones here, are we not? What would you like the goalposts to be?

But fine, name me another example of any OS platform (mobile, desktop, server, anything).. where developers have to wait for a single company to "approve" their application for being sold or given away to the customers.

Some game consoles.
 
This is not a debate you will win on these forums.

Yep :D My view is - if you want Flash, install it, if you don't, don't - no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to!

Give people the option, just like on OSX or any other platform.
 
I could be. But I'm thinking iSlate is more iPod touch than iPhone in this regard. In any event, I expect to be able to pick up an unsubsidized tablet from Apple that can be used with WiFi and not be dependent on any mobile 3G service.

Many others are also! If not, I don't see Apple selling 10 million the first year. I and many others do NOT want another monthly bill other than the subscriptions they choose and it would behoove the publishers for once to get REAL and make the price below their paper products.

After all, we have to buy the hardware, buy the subscriptions and pay for the connection via our internet providers!

It's time the publishers WAKE up if they want to continue to sell their content. Just my 3 cents worth! ;)
 
Some game consoles.

Game consoles aren't smartphones or a user OS platform.. yet. Compare Apples to Apples.

( Though the line is blurring, smartphones will soon also be game consoles - i.e,. iPhones - hand held quality games ).
 
I don't see "all non-Apple mobile devices totally open" anywhere in his statement. And even if he did say "most non-Apple devices are open" - that would be an absolutely accurate statement.

I have never heard of an Blackberry, Google, Microsoft or Palm "approving" mobile apps for their respective platform. Apple is the only smartphone OS vendor that imposes this.

I'm not quite sure how "in a non-apple world people would expect" doesn't translate to "apple is the only one who acts like this".

He listed three things:

1. Lack of Flash.
2. Carrier lock-in.
3. App approval.

None of those are anywhere near exclusive to Apple. I won't list all the devices that are carrier-locked since there are so many, but the two big buzz items right now other than the iPhone (Pre and Android) are among them.

App approval? The Pre, for example, requires approval for listing in their App Store. You can download other apps or write one for yourself without paying a developer fee... but you have to know that, and you have to go seek them out away from the channel that is built into the device. And a random app from the internet (or that you wrote yourself, for that matter), carries about the same risks of instability as jailbreaking an iPhone, so I'm not sure why this is all considered such a BFD. In fact, every mobile platform has precisely the same model: An official channel that includes approval for those who are interested in that sort of thing, and unofficial channels that you use at your own risk. Only difference? Apple makes people assume that risk very explicitly via jailbreaking.

If it really, really bothers you, then jailbreak your phone and assume that risk. Problem solved.

:rolleyes:
 
significant number of enhancements to create a new user experience more appropriate for the larger screen.

that alone will get me into the store.
 
We are talking about apps for smartphones here, are we not? What would you like the goalposts to be?

But fine, name me another example of any OS platform (mobile, desktop, server, anything).. where developers have to wait for a single company to "approve" their application for being sold or given away to the customers.

If you think this sort of thing is unprecedented, you're ignorant of the computing world. No offense, I'm ignorant about millions of things. But it makes the discussion not a productive one to engage in.
 
:eek: Oh, pull-eeze!

If it was Microsoft or Google saying it, you fanboys would be laughing your a**es off!

*goofy voice*: "It's a big Zune HD, but it's not just a big Zune HD." C'mon!
Right, because the Zune has apps and games in an app store.... oh wait. The Zune is just a media player.
 
I'm not quite sure how "in a non-apple world people would expect" doesn't translate to "apple is the only one who acts like this".

He listed three things:

1. Lack of Flash.
2. Carrier lock-in.
3. App approval.

None of those are anywhere near exclusive to Apple. I won't list all the devices that are carrier-locked since there are so many, but the two big buzz items right now other than the iPhone (Pre and Android) are among them.

* Flash is available on all smartphone OS ( not sure about Palm )
* You can buy any other smartphone outright - with no carrier lock in ( not sure about Palm Pre ).
* App approval - see other comments - no other platform requires you to have the blessing of its vendor. ( Please correct if there are! ).

People seem to think there's a universe of difference between a desktop OS and mobile OS, but in reality there isn't.

Sure the iPhone runs on a cellular network, but the Touch doesn't.

No one seems to fear downloading OSX apps from macupdate , versiontracker and others, or, Apple vetting OSX applications in case of rogue applications. So, I really don't see the fear about iPhone / Touch apps.
 
How many trade - offs are you willing to accept? i.e., People got highly pissed off with DRM on music.

Control Freak and Apple go hand in hand. Sadly, they get away with it.
:-(

There would have been outrage if microsoft applied the same amount of control to its products as Apple does.

Still, Apple make good products ( I'd rather use OSX than windows ).

I'm not quite sure where this "control freak" thing comes from. OS X is more open and better documented than Windows. Apple doesn't make a serious effort to discourage people from jailbreaking their mobile devices and doing whatever they want to with them. I really, honestly don't understand it.
 
i like seeing you guys predicting as if your sending pre-feedbacks or some sort of comments of the tablet to apple... guys just chill.. it's apple who is inventing and we're the receivers.. and apple is always up to something surprising and brilliant! haha there's like hundreds of threads by now about the tablet..! Anyway i'm waiting for the new macbook pro's and maybe and ilife 2010 or iwork 2010 like i have a feeling that the tablet is dedicated for education and video gaming...! :p :apple:
 
Yep :D My view is - if you want Flash, install it, if you don't, don't - no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to!

Give people the option, just like on OSX or any other platform.

Problem is, that wrestles control away from Apple's hands... Flash is a platform powerful enough that it could do some real damage to what Apple is trying to do.

The fact it's a resource hog makes for a convenient excuse.

Though I'm in the "flash must die" camp... There's absolutely no reason, with the advent of HTML5, that you need a 3rd party closed plugin to play video or have fancy animated menus.
 
I'm just sayin'

I'm just sayin...

The new tablet can be more like a locked down device, tied to the iTunes ecosystem, much like the iPhone, appleTV, akin to a PSP, or game console, etc.

Or it can be a device with all the benefits of an App store and the iTunes ecosystem PLUS a true Computing Platform I can install utilities on, write apps for on my own, run my own scripts, customize, add memory, third party devices, more like a touch-screen Laptop without a keyboard.

One of these is more useful to me...the other is just a larger iPod Touch with lots of Apps I will download, run a few times, then ignore.
 
My hunch is that "new sexy" = another stab at getting handwriting recognition to work.


ah.. there's no way they are going back to the Stylus!!
It most it will be speach and finger(s) for input
 
I'm hoping for -

* true unrestricted multi-tasking ( unlike iPhone / Touch )
* Open platform where Apple aren't the gatekeeper / judge for what applications users can / cannot run on their own devices.
* Where developers are free to deploy to their device without paying apple $99 ( unlike iPhone ) - relates to above
* Not SIM locked if purchased outright ( i.e., no carrier contract )
* a damned good device :D

That's not unreasonable.

*It's a larger more powerful device, it is in essence a computer. Apple left out multi tasking on the iPhone due to battery + performance + UI issues, this wont be an issue.
*If tablets the same size running Windows can offer this then Apple will need to as to stay competitive. This is a scaled down Mac, not a scaled up iPhone. The only way they could get away with this is if it was ridiculously cheap.
*See above
*People don't mind taking out a 18mo/2yr contract with a phone. A lot of people do have that issue with a computer. It should be available as locked and unlocked, and will definitely be on multiple carriers (at least in the UK anyway :D).
*Of course, it's Apple.
 
Do people really have to learn the IPhones OS.

Nobodies forcing you to buy one.

Exactly! Even worst if you "have to learn IPhone OS", a person has to be in pretty poor mental shape. As such a computer of any sort must be overwhelming.


Dave
 
* Flash is available on all smartphone OS ( not sure about Palm )
* You can buy any other smartphone outright - with no carrier lock in ( sure about Palm Pre ).
* App approval - see other comments - no other platform requires you to have the blessing of its vendor. ( Please correct if there are! ).

Adobe makes Flash available for a number of the most popular mobile environments, but far from all devices support it (at least without user modification akin to jailbreaking). This includes many Blackberry models, all PalmOS devices, and many Nokia devices (among others).

Both of the other two "buzz" smartphones right now--Droid and Pre--are locked to a single carrier. Sadly this is standard in the US, with very few new and desirable devices avoiding the "exclusivity" trap.

App approval... discussed this in a previous post.
 
I'm just sayin...

The new tablet can be more like a locked down device, tied to the iTunes ecosystem, much like the iPhone, appleTV, akin to a PSP, or game console, etc.

Or it can be a device with all the benefits of an App store and the iTunes ecosystem PLUS a true Computing Platform I can install utilities on, write apps for on my own, run my own scripts, customize, add memory, third party devices, more like a touch-screen Laptop without a keyboard.

One of these is more useful to me...the other is just a larger iPod Touch with lots of Apps I will download, run a few times, then ignore.

I think you'll only be able to install non-blessed applications on Macintoshes capable of running XCode... There's too much easy money to be made to not force people through the iTunes ecosystem... And for the average luddite, they probably prefer going through a one-stop shop.

Like it or not, it's here to stay... If you want freedom, you'll have to stick with a Macbook at the very least. That freedom is going to come at a price.
 
My hunch is that "new sexy" = another stab at getting handwriting recognition to work.

Oh please no... Handwriting is such a waste of time.

I can type faster, and thanks to computers, smartphones, online bill pay, and the like, my handwriting duties have been reduced to only signing credit card receipts. I don't burn CDs any more so no need to scrawl something on them in fat-sharpy-font. I don't even use Post-it notes any more. Seriously, who would want to hand-write onto a computer screen?
 
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