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Apple Tablet to Run iPhone OS and Launch in May or June 2010?
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Allow me to preface myself by saying that I am *not* pimping an app. Now that we have that out of the way.....
Count me in among those who have little interest in a 10" iPad that runs iPhone OS. I just don't see that much use for it, especially given the price point it will no doubt be offered at. Unless you're running an app. like Jaadu.....
This leads me to believe that Apple may be working on a VNC client of some sort that will allow for access to your desktop computer *including* OS X. I'm running an app. called Jaadu VNC, which does just that. There is little if any lag while on WiFi and it actually works on 3G, albeit slower. They have some pretty slick gesturing for dragging windows and hiding/showing the Jaadu toolbar. Anyway, my point is that this may be a way to satisfy guys like me who want the iPad to be an extension of their desktop.
Your thoughts?
BTW.....here is a picture of my desktop on my iPhone.
Count me in among those who have little interest in a 10" iPad that runs iPhone OS. I just don't see that much use for it, especially given the price point it will no doubt be offered at. Unless you're running an app. like Jaadu.....
This leads me to believe that Apple may be working on a VNC client of some sort that will allow for access to your desktop computer *including* OS X. I'm running an app. called Jaadu VNC, which does just that. There is little if any lag while on WiFi and it actually works on 3G, albeit slower. They have some pretty slick gesturing for dragging windows and hiding/showing the Jaadu toolbar. Anyway, my point is that this may be a way to satisfy guys like me who want the iPad to be an extension of their desktop.
Your thoughts?
BTW.....here is a picture of my desktop on my iPhone.
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I should add that VNC clients like Jaadu actually allow you to interact with your desktop environment; not just look at stuff. For instance, I can open a Word document and work on it on my iPhone. It's actually pretty cool.
It took several pages of posts to find someone that nailed it...I couldn't get through the next 10 pages.
It's a consumer gadget...not a laptop. Watch your movies, do your email, listen to your music, surf the web and 'read' multi-media content. The same stuff I do on my iphone. Some sort of pen support would be good for doodling and the ability to use a bluetooth keyboard.
I'm excited for it to arrive. I'd like some e-books but I'm not wasting my money on a uni-tasker like the Kindle or the Sony Reader and the iphone screen is too small for me to enjoy books.
You are aware that Windows 7 has pervasive Multi-touch support in the core OS UI libraries?
For the millions of us running Windows 7, we already have multi-touch built into the OS.
I don't think that we'll want to install Apple's multi-touch - if it's anything like the bloated pig that Itunes is on Windows we'd be sorry.
I really wish I had a way to test out those features. I still like windows 7 though :]
Based on your post I bought Jaadu. It is the best VNC client I've seen on the iPhone.
That said, Jaadu confirmed what I already knew: the desktop and desktop apps just don't work on a small screen and a MultiTouch GUI,
There is absolutely no advantage to a MultiTouch GUI if the OS (Mac OS X Snow Leopard) and the applications (almost all desktop apps) don't use it.
You are using an advanced (MultiTouch) GUI, to navigate a more primitive (Mouse/kb) GUI. It is tedious!
For example fire up Photoshop on the VNC Mac desktop, load an image, and use the pen tool to outline a path of, say, a person within a group.
Or fire up iMovie or FCP and try to edit a movie sequence.
It just doesn't work!
As a comparison, use the iPhone 3GS camera to take a video then edit the video. Sure you can't do much, but what you can do is easy with the iPhone's GUI. The iPhone camera app has taken [some of] iMovie's (or FCP's) clip editing function and adapted it to the device and the GUI.
It works!
The iPhone and the presumed Tablet could do much more comprehensive video editing if:
1) the OS gets out of the way (like on the iPhone)
2) the app is redesigned to support/exploit the MultiTouch GUI
Otherwise, we're just pissin' in the wind!
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Yeah, I am aware of Win 7's MultiTouch support. I am not so sure about "millions" running Windows 7, though.
After the Vista fiasco, I decided to stay with XP (Parallels) for the little Windows use I need.
But your points are valid! If a good Windows 7 MultiTouch exists, Apple would be better served using it to interface a Tablet peripheral.
But, if Apple wants to sell the Tablet peripheral to the vast install base of machines running XP or Vista, the approach I outlined, would work.
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Carniphage said:
I think his point is that the [iPhone] OS is OK, but the applications need to be redesigned to use the MultiTouch GUI.
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For what is worth, you should give it a go. The reviews are universally positive.
Ah, OK. I concede the point, but let's all remember that this is (if it exists) an infotainment device, not a tablet computer for production work, so it may just not be a device to run all the same applications as your computer. But it may just wipe out the Kindle (I'm a Kindle fan, used to have a Kindle blog,, so I don't say this lightly) and help revive newspapers--as well as play movies and music. If it exists.
How are running VNC from 3G? You didn't pinhole you're firewall for 5900, did you?
According to market share stats (see attached):
- Twice as many people are using Windows 7 as are using OSX 10.6
- Windows 7 has half the market share of OSX 10.5
So, if as few as 4 million people are running OSX 10.5, then millions are running Windows 7.
(OSX 10.6 stats aren't too meaningful, since it was released midway during the sample month - by today many of the 10.5 users will be using 10.6.)
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I believe it, since:
A. It's a great OS
B. It's legitimately free (beta and RC of course)
Either there are millions using it, or all those people that downloaded the beta and RC downloaded it but didn't do anything with it, which I kinda doubt.
That sux
If the tablet runs the iPhone OS without Flash support it will suck just like the iPhone does. You most assuredly can NOT access "all the web" as Steve claimed ("You lie!") originally. There are a great and growing number of web sites that you simply can not navigate without Flash support.
Hello!!! Steve!!! Get off the dime!
It is too bad if this is true as it could have been nice.
If the tablet runs the iPhone OS without Flash support it will suck just like the iPhone does. You most assuredly can NOT access "all the web" as Steve claimed ("You lie!") originally. There are a great and growing number of web sites that you simply can not navigate without Flash support.
Hello!!! Steve!!! Get off the dime!
It is too bad if this is true as it could have been nice.
Not off topic but in line with the Windows Seven comments, Win7 is a legitimate contender. Its a great OS.
Not to be to confrontational an all.
iPhone OS X = OS X
Mac OS X = OS X
Therefore iPhone OS X = Mac OS X. with caveats.
Anyone who still argues that iPhone OS X in a tablet is a failure, is a self absorbed, niche, nerd freak, who needs to get out more. Oh and teh are the failure.
It's quite obvious we're not going to get springboard in it's current incarnation, 12x15 icon homescreen, anyone? However i'm sure it'll launch apps in some guise, perhaps a simplified finder.
What interests me is what paradigm is Apple going to follow for the UI? Macos tries to simulate a desktop. ie. trash can, folders, stickies. Items can be stuck to parts of the desktop just like you can in the real world. In the iPhone universe we have something akin to a wallet or pocket book where you shuffle around looking for things (pre-spotlight search of course). Is the tablet going to adopt a notepad like paradigm, similar to what MS is fudding about with their courier videos? Personally i like the idea that the primary interface looks like a book. Though i suspect in an effort to conform to peoples expectations they might just end up with a status display showing your schedule/unread mails etc, with some folders to keep apps/files in. I really hope that it's further out of the box than this.
On the subject of legacy support, ie. running mac os apps on an intel proc.
Well it's simply a matter of physics, the only processor that'll allow Apple to build an enclosure less that half an inch thick that has the form factor of an iPod touch ie. enclosed, with no fan vents is an ARM processor. That kicks your intel legacy support straight out the window. Don't whine on about rosetta, vm's or any such bull, the dinky little arm is not emulating an intel core 'whatever' anytime soon. If any of you believe for one second that this thing will be thicker and include a vent, stop smokin the hash, this thing will be one handed support only and easy to pass around.
Give up on Photoshop/MS Office/illustrator/Adobe whatever appearing. If the platform is popular enough then these companies might have the will to port to this all new platform. Apple still sells Macbooks ya know, and will continue to for the foreseeable, WITHOUT a touchscreen.
Which brings us on to the price, there's no way this thing will compete with a Macbook. Functionally it will have less and yes i hope it doesn't sell for 800-900 dollars or just below the macbook threshold, as for us IT geeks we will not forgive them for it. However for everyone who might have bought a macbook to read a few emails and look up webpages, well now they have a second option. You know i think these two functions operate even better on the iPhone interface than they do with windows xp on a netbook. I own a samgsung nc10 and it's a great little laptop. (note the phrase). But curling up in bed, on a long haul flight, sitting on a train, in a lecture theatre, in my backpack. A 10" tablet thats half an inch thick beats a still fairly heavy 1.3 kilo netbook that i can barely hold up with one hand for a limited amount of time and still won't fit on a tray table with the screen at a decent angle.
Bottom line is Apple is not giving you the macbook touch costing $1500, so if that's what you need then you'll just have to accept it and look elsewhere and in the meantime stop bitching about it, cos it's just getting the rest of us down.
iPhone OS X = OS X
Mac OS X = OS X
Therefore iPhone OS X = Mac OS X. with caveats.
Anyone who still argues that iPhone OS X in a tablet is a failure, is a self absorbed, niche, nerd freak, who needs to get out more. Oh and teh are the failure.
It's quite obvious we're not going to get springboard in it's current incarnation, 12x15 icon homescreen, anyone? However i'm sure it'll launch apps in some guise, perhaps a simplified finder.
What interests me is what paradigm is Apple going to follow for the UI? Macos tries to simulate a desktop. ie. trash can, folders, stickies. Items can be stuck to parts of the desktop just like you can in the real world. In the iPhone universe we have something akin to a wallet or pocket book where you shuffle around looking for things (pre-spotlight search of course). Is the tablet going to adopt a notepad like paradigm, similar to what MS is fudding about with their courier videos? Personally i like the idea that the primary interface looks like a book. Though i suspect in an effort to conform to peoples expectations they might just end up with a status display showing your schedule/unread mails etc, with some folders to keep apps/files in. I really hope that it's further out of the box than this.
On the subject of legacy support, ie. running mac os apps on an intel proc.
Well it's simply a matter of physics, the only processor that'll allow Apple to build an enclosure less that half an inch thick that has the form factor of an iPod touch ie. enclosed, with no fan vents is an ARM processor. That kicks your intel legacy support straight out the window. Don't whine on about rosetta, vm's or any such bull, the dinky little arm is not emulating an intel core 'whatever' anytime soon. If any of you believe for one second that this thing will be thicker and include a vent, stop smokin the hash, this thing will be one handed support only and easy to pass around.
Give up on Photoshop/MS Office/illustrator/Adobe whatever appearing. If the platform is popular enough then these companies might have the will to port to this all new platform. Apple still sells Macbooks ya know, and will continue to for the foreseeable, WITHOUT a touchscreen.
Which brings us on to the price, there's no way this thing will compete with a Macbook. Functionally it will have less and yes i hope it doesn't sell for 800-900 dollars or just below the macbook threshold, as for us IT geeks we will not forgive them for it. However for everyone who might have bought a macbook to read a few emails and look up webpages, well now they have a second option. You know i think these two functions operate even better on the iPhone interface than they do with windows xp on a netbook. I own a samgsung nc10 and it's a great little laptop. (note the phrase). But curling up in bed, on a long haul flight, sitting on a train, in a lecture theatre, in my backpack. A 10" tablet thats half an inch thick beats a still fairly heavy 1.3 kilo netbook that i can barely hold up with one hand for a limited amount of time and still won't fit on a tray table with the screen at a decent angle.
Bottom line is Apple is not giving you the macbook touch costing $1500, so if that's what you need then you'll just have to accept it and look elsewhere and in the meantime stop bitching about it, cos it's just getting the rest of us down.
I really like your post!
I would add:
iPhone OS X supports cell radio, GPS, accelerometers and compass
Therefore Mac OS X = iPhone OS X. with caveats.
The wallet paradigm for the iPhone is a good one, that I haven't heard before!
The Courier interface looks nice but doesn't appear well thought out. You seem to use 1 screen for a kind of menu and the other for the content. I would prefer a single screen, or a clamshell with 2 separate screens (butted edge to edge with less than 1/8" gutter), that could be locked into a single pane. That way it could do full screen, and popup menus as needed.
I have been doing some experimenting with CoverFlow on the iPhone. I think Apple could do an hierarchical CoverFlow as kind of an auto-hide Application / Active-Application Dock combination to quickly navigate active and available apps.
What you say is true for many legacy apps-- those that are written in Carbon (Photoshop, Apple Pro Apps).
Those Mac apps written in Cocoa, would be easier to migrate though-- most would need to redo the UI using Cocoa Touch and recompile for ARM. Still, I think it would be obvious that these are legacy apps with the proverbial lipstick on a pig.
Here Apple may have some interesting opportunities to get 3rd-party subsidies to keep the price and usage costs down. Book Publishers along with carriers may want subsidize a device that consumes their content and/or uses their bandwidth. And, maybe the Film, TV, and Music industries will [finally] wake up and see this as augmenting sales rather than as competition.
I don't own a netbook, as the iPhone meets my needs when I am out and about. I do have a laptop (17" AlBook PPC) on a TV table next to my bed. It is a real PITA to use though. I usually use my iPhone in bed for reading, light surfing, and light email. Anything major, I just go downstairs and use an iMac. I did try taking the AlBook to the kids soccer practice & games, tethered with my iPhone. It was too clumsy, required a flat surface (lap) and two hands.... gave up on it... the iPhone alone did a better job!
If Apple simply markets it as such, it will quiet 80% of the complainers. The remaining 20% will never be quiet and never intended to.
Since Windows Mobile is an abortion even from a hardware centric MS perspective, there is nothing Apple could do to screw up any mobile OS. They are not hardware centric, they are system centric. Ecosystem centric.
They actually don't want 80% market share. They want about 30% and let the rest twist in the wind very publicly so their <30% can continue to be justified paying a premium price.
If everyone adopted Apple products, nobody would be special.
Rocketman
Or
iPhone OS X = OS X on ARM processors
Mac OS X = OS X on x64 processors
Therefore iPhone OS X = Mac OS X. with caveats (like no binary compatibility at all)
Mac OS X = OS X on x64 processors
Therefore iPhone OS X = Mac OS X. with caveats (like no binary compatibility at all)
Agree 100%. The iPhone OS X is the KEY for any successful Apple tablet... or are we all forgetting the 85,000 (!!!) apps running in a MULTI-TOUCH platform ? Jobs killed past tablets because there was no killer app... now there is "AN APP FOR THAT"..."AN APP FOR EVERYTHING YOU CAN DREAM OF"
People talk about Windows7 as if most Windows apps would automatically accept MULTI-TOUCH... you can close (finger on X) or maximize windows... but you are going to have to drag you finger through menus and all hell will break !
And let's pay attention to trends that have started last year (2008): netbooks and ebooks. People are willing to spend (albeit only $300-$400) to have devices that allow them to (a) access web, email, light editing and (b) reading. Guess what ? the Apple tablet will be able to do both (a+b) PLUS it will allow you to: (c) watch videos, (d) play all the iPhone/iTouch games and (e) use all iPhone/iTouch apps like widgets, not forgetting the ever-present iTunes library to sync-it-all (apps, video, music, ebooks, audiobooks, etc) and mobileme to sync-the-rest (bookmarks, email, notes, calendars)
There are a couple of questions/problems to be solved:
- Cost: at $800 it would be a stretch from current netbook/ereader prices (that are now closing in on $200-$300)
- Flash support (maybe with dual-core ARM or two chips will help to run the oh-so-slow Flash code)
- High expectations: everyone is expecting MAGIC from Apple
The basics are there... hidden in plain site... besides iTunes/mobileme already mentioned... there's Draft N support already in iTouch (albeit disabled), Apple wireless keyboard/mouse are bluetooth (and such pairing profile should be enabled in the new tablet)... the tablet won't require huge storage (iTunes library sharing, timecapsules, etc)
Now... if APPLE could only get the price right... a $599 tablet would be a winner (as it would replace netbook/ereaders/portable video plus all iPhone Apps) even w/o 3G... remember... hidden in plain site... bluetooth pairing with iPhone data tethering (I already use it in my MBP)
Both?
So will the new tablet run both the iPhone OS and iMac (http://adwido.com/view_content?vkey=45f860d0c3dcd6dae30230b50e32a6af) OS?
So will the new tablet run both the iPhone OS and iMac (http://adwido.com/view_content?vkey=45f860d0c3dcd6dae30230b50e32a6af) OS?
Mac OS X does have accelerometers. In Laptops there is one that shuts the hard drive down if the device is being tilted/dropped/etc too fast. It is the opposite effect on the Touch/Phone in that you are suppose to spin/flip/etc. the device. You do NOT want people to spin/flip/tilt the vast majority of Mac OS X devices.
There are radios in Mac OS X devices too. (that's more of a device driver than anything else because not really provided to all apps. )
Compass ... that easily added ... if there would be some utility in all installation situations. ;-)
The major difference is the iPhone is tweaked heavily to squeeze more lifetime out of your batteries. Namely single app at a time. Fast launch/close.
iPhone OS allows you to switch rapidly from one embedded app functionality to another embedded app functionality. Got tons of utility mileage with no copy/paste or multiple apps running concurrently. An elecontronic notepad/sketchpad (plus "player" mobile Apple TV ) could do just as well.
It is not the OS but the applications layered on top that are important.
it is more of a hypercard with picture buttons and that is just the "home"/"app launcher" screen. iPhone OS is more so, if what to talk about visual artifacts, the buttons and standard widget set you get. There is isn't very much to the app launcher app..... that's one reason need iTunes9 to organize the mess you create when put a gazillion apps into the super simplistic navigation. There is no paradigm there at all. It is just a list of pictures. Like a fast food store with pictures for the food items on the menu .
Chuckle. they intuitively tackled and implemented a multiple item copy/paste interface. It took apple 2 years and it isn't that intitutive as rest item on spine and then move to where you want it after you navigate there.
There are two parts because you want to nagivate to two different places so your copy/paste can amount to a simple drag and drop. You can juggle at most two browsers running at the same time. Most likely you can flip which one is which depending if you are a lefty or righty.
If there is any metaphor they are using it is more of a scrapbook (cut stuff out and paste it in.) than anything else. In that context the interface is pretty straightforward. However, not drag/drop between random applications. it is all targeted.
the clamshell is useful because get screen protection when closed. Otherwise are leaving the screen exposed. It also helps with the l
that could be locked into a single pane. That way it could do full screen, and popup menus as needed.
Iphone OS is not about screen size - it's about who decides what applications user may install on it. If it's up to app store - it's the iphone (os). If it's up to user - it is mac os or jailbroken iphone os.