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How the heck I would do my graphic-intensive works with Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, a 3D program and Quark Xpress on a Mac tablet with only iPhoneOS?? :confused:

These programs would choke iPhoneOS to the death.
 
it's $300 for a problem that was solved 1000 years ago by $.10 worth of paper.

$.10 worth of paper delivers content over the air to you?

The Kindle is backwards from the iPhone in terms of paying for wireless service. The iPhone upfront costs is lowered by locking you into a contract which requires future payment for wireless service and the device. The Kindle makes you pay a fixed price up front for both and get to use the wireless service over the life of the device for no additional charge.

This aspect is an issue of "pay me now" or "pay me later".

In a "pay me later" oriented society that is going to get undervalued.

In countries where folks don't pay subsidized upfront costs, the iPhone is higher priced than the Kindle. It does more so is a value judgement on how much weight folks want to put on the additional functionality, but the iPhone is cheaper is not quite true if look at the lifetime buy and operate costs.
(and putting aside differences in content prices. )

Amazon probably gets a very good deal on the wireless bandwidth they buy because it is bundled with every device. If tried to sell "download only attached to your computer" versions then the wireless costs would go up.
[ it is also cheaper because it is slower/capped too. ] There are a number of upsides and downsides with Amazon removing the wireless service provider from the user direct interaction equation.


P.S. similar if get a touch and a national coverage WiFi contract.
 
The inability to see the true potential of the iPhone OS is shocking.

Some incredibly narrow thinking going on in this thread.

yeah....whatever. :rolleyes:


Assuming Apple is planning on putting the iPhone OS in the tablet, we can only hope that a move towards placing a full-fledged OS would come next. Perhaps this is merely a move to test the waters.
 
Yeah the iphone is cool isnt it? When are you getting one?

Are you seriously equating browsing a mainstream internet site. (e.g., www.nytimes.com , macrumors, etc. ) on a "regular" sized screen to that browsing on a smaller iPhone screen.

Granted Safari on an iPhone is significantly better than browsers are on other phones but the size of the page (so you don't have to pinch/zoom/scroll) and can actually spend the majority of your time reading/consuming is significant.
If 3" screens were so great why don't all computers have them??????

It is trade off. Smaller than really want screen for being able to take it more places. However, some folks don't need to take it everywhere. Folks managed to get by on this planet without being connected to the internet 24/7/365.

Likewise the Flash and other aspects of the web that are turned off on the iPhone because lack power (CPU and battery life) which also limit web access.


Screen size has additional value. There is small so that make very little portablity sacrifices and then there is small enough to carry around and make less usability sacrifices. This is what folks throw away when say that the iPhone should be all anyone every needs. It is not.


Books are not sold exclusively in small paperback form. There were many years where folks carried around regular sized ones just fine.
 
I hope this isn't true. That's so conservative-sounding and lame. I don't think they'd even bother. And the "iPhone OS" is really just a stripped down OS X with Multitouch. That seems kind of expected. They clearly aren't getting rid of the iMac line just yet... OS X with multitouch will come later, and I'm sure the tablet will evolve too. They're on it...
 
You just include any data and a check and that's it. What is represented in the data doesn't matter?

Apple tends not to design products from the inside out. If someone radicaly changes the location and or the material that the module is embedded inside of that has non-substative impact on the values?

I can see no change if hold the module constant, but then you are designing the device around the FCC certification. Does that sound like Apple's typical approach?

However, your missing the point. Whether you send the device in or rules the regulated tests internally and send the data in (to be certified/checked) you have still announced publically that you are going to deliver X.
At that point it can't be a "...oh one more thing". It is no longer rumor on existance it is only a rumor on when. "When" isn't a "one more thing" worthy of an issue. So might as well just announce since it can no longer be a "ta da" event. it is the open, public filing aspect that is critical.

Apple is not open and is not public.

but the iPhone is out. Everyone and their mother knows there will be another iPhone next summer and more iPods next September.
Once it is out, were the wall of secrecy?

Frankly find it doubtful can use an iPhone/iTouch certification on this new product by just ripping exactly the same submodule out but putting into a complete different container with different constraints.

why gather parts in quantity to a device you haven't finished designing yet?? All that does is put the parts on your inventory. That is money out the door which isn't coming back. What if buy 10" screens and later decide that a clamshell with two 7" screens is better. What going to do with those stack of 10" parts?

There is a stacking when you are trying to do a build up before launch if expect a demand crush on launch day. But thoses parts are going into finished products that are being stockpiled as product.... not a huge warehouse of parts. Stacks of parts is the opposite of just in time manufacturing.

[ If go back to when Apple was having gobs of finance problems there were stacks of products on the inventory. That is something they avoid like the plague now. ]

If don't have that feedback yet why even run tests and submit to the FCC?
if it just a hack in development just run around without certs. If turns out that doesn't verify that check you just sent the FCC is money down the drain.

Here is where you and I differ. I think Apple did that already for last n years where Jobs have nuked version after version of this up till this point.
These rumors are usually about " I just/recently saw" and blah blah blah. If folks were saying "A year ago I saw..." then sure. At this point, where dotting the i's and crossing the t's.... It is mainly cooked at this point.
They may have folks trying to work bugs out of what they already decided to do.

You were trying to assert there is some ecosystem where the OS and app store are primary components of that ecosystem. The app store is OS agnostic. You can buy apps on Windows, Mac OS X , or iPhone OS. That 'ecosystem' you speak of makes the OS where you purchased them a non issue. That is the seemless/system aspect they have provided. So in the ecosystem of buying the apps, the OS isn't really a major factor.


If talking about the ecosystem of where you run apps... then the app store is immaterial. How you get apps to the machine is not a major factor in their usability. Has impact on feeding impulse buying habits, but it doesn't make them easier to use ( or find particularly to find when there are herds of duplicates clogging the store. )

Windows is not doomed or significantly impeded because there is no singular apps store for that OS. Having enough apps is more important than having them all in a single store. There is tons of hype about Apple's single store because it is relatively unique; not because it, in and of itself, is critical.

The store was indeed important in facilitating the gold rush of apps into the ecosystem. However, once there is an ecosystem there is little to support that it is really a critical factor. People do not spend large blocks of time in the store... unless they are now shopaholics. I can see how being shopaholics benefits apple, it is the user benefits that are cloudy.

Look, There's no way to hold a conversation with you if you're going to ignore large chunks of published Apple's current business practices relating to this topic while continuing to interject unrelated and trivial facts that cloud the central points I referred to. Additionally, you have no idea what you're talking about, with only a vague simplistic idea about marketing and manufacturing planning.
 
I need to flag this thread. This has the potential to yield comedy gems similar to threads written at the time of the Intel transition announcement. Two years down the road when the tablet has become a huge success, many people here are going to have egg on their faces...and a tablet in their hands :)
 
and your constand admonishing them for not agreeing with your extreme views is also quite appalling, but you don't see everyone posting that, just me ;). To me, this is a niche market at best and would rather see other hardware solutions than a tablet, but i say that knowing this has a market somewhere, just not me. I just think people don't want a scaled down OS on a tablet device for all intensive purposes will cost $1000 or more.

Not too long ago that personal computers were a niche market... then portables (luggables)... then laptops... then PDAs... then mobile phones... then mp3 players... then smart phones...

this entire industry is less than 35 years old.

A niche market is an ephemeral thing... often disappearing, but sometimes, transforming into a dominant market.

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Granted Safari on an iPhone is significantly better than browsers are on other phones but the size of the page (so you don't have to pinch/zoom/scroll) and can actually spend the majority of your time reading/consuming is significant.
If 3" screens were so great why don't all computers have them??????

It is trade off. Smaller than really want screen for being able to take it more places. However, some folks don't need to take it everywhere. Folks managed to get by on this planet without being connected to the internet 24/7/365.

Spot on.

I think it's quite possible that the product Apple ultimately delivers will be so completely outside the box that ALL of us will look foolish.

I can't imagine that would be the case, but well, I guess that's my point. Not all of us enjoy the intellect of Apple's high-level product engineers and theorists and marketing strategists.

On top of that, groups with that brilliance regularly get together and put all their brainpower to work. Talk about brainpower. Synergy. Awesome.

It makes my toes tingle, just thinking about it.

I wish I could understand why so many people are averse to the idea of something akin to the iPhone OS on the tablet. It boggles my mind. I mean, why introduce product that does virtually everything that a MB or MBP can already do?

I mean seriously, at this point, do you think Apple has a suite of software ready to go that will reduce the mouse to complete obsolescence? A physical keyboard to obsolescence?

Absolutely not. Not yet, at least.

And why would Apple cannibalize their laptop sales? Makes no sense.

Productivity = iMacs, Mac Pros, MB and MBP
Consumption = iPods and iPhone
Light Productivity/Heavy Consumption = Tablet

It's the only positioning that makes sense. I want my apps, movies, music and books.

And as others have pointed out, email, photos, iCal, etc.

That's all this thing will be able to do and still bring it in under 800 bucks.

That doesn't mean there won't be something outlandishly, incredulously forward-thinking that makes my post completely wrong -- but my feeling, my strong feeling, is that there is no way Apple will release a product that is as uniformly based on productivity as many here seem to require.

That's not where the money is. And that's the bottom line.

This device will be big because it will be a BIG media consumption device. I'd much rather read Shakespeare on 10 inches than on an iPhone. Everyone that says otherwise (insert your own favorite writer or movie or musician) is, in my opinion, fooling themselves.

No one wants to think that their 200+ iPhone and at&t contract could become outdated so quickly. But it could happen.

Although one thing the tablet won't be is a phone, so there's that.

While it's true people won't drag around a tablet AND a laptop, I think given the choice, the average consumer of this product will buy it precisely because it won't be introduced with tons of software and hardware bulk.

And then of course, there's the thinking: The tablet will be LIGHT. For those with the money to burn, tucked in with a laptop, is the extra weight really going to be noticed by the average user?

Consumption. Not productivity. And consumption on a bigger screen is going to sell ... if the end product is as elegant and forward-thinking as the iPod line.
 
You have to laugh at all the fan boys who get so emotional over a "rumour" lol speculation is all good, but reacting as if its fact is sad, lets wait and see what it really looks like and what OS
 
While it's certainly feasible, it's also highly improbable that Apple will invest R&D into a fully multi-touch enabled version of OS X that would only run on a "tablet". The cost of running OS X on a tablet would push the price of the "tablet" upwards of $1500. Doesn't make much sense.

What makes sense is a 10" tablet that would run a souped up version of the iPhone OS. With the App store Apple can spend less on software development and more on hardware. By this time next year a 10" tablet could be released for less than $500 which is what I believe the sweet spot is for such a device.
 
For all you Flash lovers....

I have 2 browser windows open that have imbedded YouTube Flash players,

Neither player is running-- both are stopped and minimum size SD,

Here's the CPU and Thread usage on this efficient little jewel of a plugin, on my iMac 24 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Snow Leopard with all updates:

Flash Plugin CPU Usage.png


You want to put that on.... anything?

Rich, Reach, Retch!

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My bet: You're all wrong about everything...

It really brings me to fits of giggles when I see the emphatic dialogue, name calling, and impassioned verbal refuse throwing that goes on in here after a dubious rumor is posted.

I'd bet my money on all of you being entirely wrong about everything when it comes to speculation about the unnamed tablet product. Just like you were all wrong about:

- The flatscreen followup to the original iMac
- The Mini
- The iPhone

We see conceptual mockups from the Photoshop gifted hopefuls that are pitifully distant from what Apple actually serves up. Everyone is certain running X on Y will be an epic failure/totally awesome solution. Apple needs to do this, Apple needs to do that, Apple will do this so says Mr. Analyst at Big Important Research Firm who like to think they can see the future.

Honestly -- this isn't a rhetorical question, it's a genuine one from someone fascinated by the speculation and grandstanding that continues, day in and day out here: why do you do it?

The tablet will be great for some, not so much for others, but certainly nothing like you can imagine. And that statement, itself, is speculation. But, given Apple's new product launch track record, probably the most reasonable one in this entire thread.
 
yeah....whatever. :rolleyes:
Assuming Apple is planning on putting the iPhone OS in the tablet, we can only hope that a move towards placing a full-fledged OS would come next. Perhaps this is merely a move to test the waters.


I'm curious. What do you feel makes iPhone OS not a real full-fledged OS? I suspect it's the basis for the future of Mac OS, seriously.

If the tablet just does web browsing, email, music and reading à la iPhone, but on a bigger screen, with exactly the same interfaces, it'll be a roaring success.
 
While it's certainly feasible, it's also highly improbable that Apple will invest R&D into a fully multi-touch enabled version of OS X that would only run on a "tablet". The cost of running OS X on a tablet would push the price of the "tablet" upwards of $1500. Doesn't make much sense.

What makes sense is a 10" tablet that would run a souped up version of the iPhone OS. With the App store Apple can spend less on software development and more on hardware. By this time next year a 10" tablet could be released for less than $500 which is what I believe the sweet spot is for such a device.

That's funny. Because, knowing Apple, I would think a tablet PC would run at LEAST $1,500. What was the projected price of the tablet?

What makes anyone think it would sell for less?

Are we comparing them to the Kindle or the iPhone? Because those are very different machines.
 
If it comes with an iPhone OS, then it's completely pointless. I already have an iPhone OS ... IN MY POCKET!
The only way I would buy an Apple Tablet is if it comes with OS X.
 
What most people seem to be forgetting is that iPhone OS is Mac OS X. Don't you remember when the first iPhone was introduced, Steve Jobs actually said "and it runs Mac OS X".

Essentially they've removed a pile of stuff (including multitasking), placed a touch UI on it, and locked it down so that only apps purchased from the app store run on it.

My guess is that they are creating a new UI for the larger screen, and adding back in some of those important features such as multitasking and finder. Whether or not regular Mac apps will run on it will be interesting. It seems likely that the device will use the App Store model considering it has done so well for the iPhone (ignoring all the whinging here on MacRumors about unapproved apps).

None the less, iPhone OS is Mac OS X (just modified).
 
What if it's running OS X with a built-in iPhone emulator to allow access to apps from the App Store? They already have the beginnings of an iPhone emulator in the dev kit. I wonder if that's happening, because it would seem strange to hobble a tablet with an OS designed for a much smaller, more limited device.

@kgraf6:

Essentially they've removed a pile of stuff (including multitasking)

They didn't remove multitasking. The iPhone multitasks just fine. They've just limited what applications can run in the background.
 
I honestly think this is a step in the right direction, especially since Apple will most likely market this towards people who are on the go. Just think about the battery life alone. I am pretty sure Apple will improve the iPhoneOS over the next couple months, so I'm not too worried about it.

For everyone complaining about not being able to run Photoshop and other programs like it, I gotta ask.. Why would you want to use Photoshop on a tablet anyways? IMO using a touch screen to work in Photoshop or say Illustrator would be a nightmare! If you are interested in touching up that semi-blurry photo you took on your iPhone using your Apple Tablet, Adobe made an online version of Photoshop Elements just for you!
 
Yes it is OSX Steve Jobs said it during the 2007 Macworld Keynote

Go to 5:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO420B02Q84


I don't get why people are acting like it is impossible to tweak the software for this. They made the software so how is it impossible for them to tweak it for the 10" device? They took a desktop OS and modified it for a hand held device I am pretty sure they know what they are doing and can do it again for the tablet.

I also don't get the complaints that this cannot do serious work. Do you use a netbook to do Final Cut Pro? People have been complaining for so long Apple needs to come out with a netbook competitor this is it. A lot of people simply use the computer for things like facebook and youtube. This is the device for them.
 
We have already had tablet running Desktop OSs

They never sold.

Despite all this moaning. No one ever went out and paid money for a small screen, running a desktop OS and no keyboard.

Because desktop applications expect a large screen, a mouse and a keyboard. And all of that software sucks when it finds itself running on a tablet.

Applications don't magically reconfigure themselves.

So it didn't happen.
It won't happen.
It can't happen.

Any all-new device needs all-new applications and an interface designed for a touch screen as its primary input method.

End of story.

C.
 
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