Yes, you are! You have been posting on this site for weeks about how poor the iPhone is, and you've never even used one! Do you not understand how annoying that is???
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Apple Takes on Droid X With Latest Smartphone Antenna Video
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Yes, you are! You have been posting on this site for weeks about how poor the iPhone is, and you've never even used one! Do you not understand how annoying that is???
Uh ? I am an iPhone owner. Last I checked, I didn't encase it in an air tight container, I use it daily as a phone and a portable internet device.
Again, if people stop spreading spin and stop trying to deflect, I will stop posting. Simple as that.
You've all owned Droid Xs?
I was responding to a fanboy who asked if anyone had used both the iP4 and the Droid X for a material length of time and saw the iP4 problems that many many have experienced (even you can't deny that) and did not have a problem with the Droid X. I was describing that I had just such experience.
You and your family all appear to have the opposite experience. Were you happy iP4 users but all purchased Droid Xs when you already had iPhones? Or were you able to buy Droid Xs on day 1, use them for a week, return them, buy iP4s, and use them for another several days....all in the span of 1 week?
If so, then I'm either dealing with a time shifter....or someone who really doesn't have grounds to make comparison in question. Or is there some other set of circumstances that I missed?
I was responding to a fanboy who asked if anyone had used both the iP4 and the Droid X for a material length of time and saw the iP4 problems that many many have experienced (even you can't deny that) and did not have a problem with the Droid X. I was describing that I had just such experience.
You and your family all appear to have the opposite experience. Were you happy iP4 users but all purchased Droid Xs when you already had iPhones? Or were you able to buy Droid Xs on day 1, use them for a week, return them, buy iP4s, and use them for another several days....all in the span of 1 week?
If so, then I'm either dealing with a time shifter....or someone who really doesn't have grounds to make comparison in question. Or is there some other set of circumstances that I missed?
Scott Adams thinks differently. See
http://www.dilbert.com/blog/entry/high_ground_maneuver/
It is _not_ an Apple problem. It is a problem for every single manufacturer in the industry. So it would be rather idiotic for Apple to say "sorry, it is our problem" when it is everyone's problem.
You can also look at the blog of a professional antenna designer at http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-blog/2010/7/14/iphone-4-meets-the-gripofdeathinator.html . Interesting little fact that the "Vulcan Death Pinch" actually improves reception on the iPhone 4 (check it out), unfortunately that is not how people hold _any_ phoneBut seriously, he found that while worst case the iPhone 4 suffered more than the iPhone 3GS, it still produced better results under _all_ conditions. That's what Anandtech found as well, that the iPhone 4 can receive calls at 8 dBM less signal strength than any other phone.
Explain then please - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTtpDo7Mefw
Tell me, or preferably show me examples of any other phone with this behaviour with just a fingertip placed where you would normally put your palm/fingers under normal use - if you look about 3/4 of the way through you will see I can stop start the upload instantly by touching the phone - it is a serious design flaw in a phone regardless of what your "experts" say, this is how it can affect us people in the real world. And yes, it will be going back to Apple.
Can the troll who questioned my integrity by demanding to see the receipt for my Droid X send me his email address, as I have already asked him to, so I can then send him the damn receipt and he can come back to this thread, swallow his pride, and apologise publicly.
I've already asked him once - I thought I'd ask him again.
I've already asked him once - I thought I'd ask him again.
I guess I'm lucky Apple decided to wait until round 2 to give us Canadians the option. I also don't see how iPhone 4 ownership is a requirement to rebutting posters that claim things like :
I'm pretty sure simply having watched the press conference is the only requirement to know this poster is wrong and to easily rebute him.
Wow - - 36 pages already - - the anti-Apple crowd are taking this one hard.
But once we saw no lawsuits against Apple after their press conference examples of other company's phones exhibiting the same antenna problems, the game was already over...
...except for all the tears of disappointment from the h8trs, that is.
But once we saw no lawsuits against Apple after their press conference examples of other company's phones exhibiting the same antenna problems, the game was already over...
...except for all the tears of disappointment from the h8trs, that is.
Originally Posted by bkspero
Yes, and Yes. I have done the comparison, and the iPhone4 was, in my experience, much worse than any other mobile phone I've used (it was my first iPhone, so maybe if I was accustomed to poor reception characteristic of the earlier iPhones, I would not have been as surprised).
I've now had a Droid X for 2 days and it is so much better than the iPhone, it is startling. No dropped calls (out of about 60 so far). Great 3G response (I haven't yet quantified the speed).
So yes, I can corroborate the experiences of the legions of others saying that the iPhone4 has a dropped call problem in normal use when in an area with anything other than the strongest signal. I can also add my support to the large and growing chorus of happy Droid X owners who get great phone and internet performance.
I would normally just let this drop, but we have an obligation it to potential new buyers of the iPhone 4 to share our experiences and correct the misinformation being spewed by Apple and those who will blindly and reflexively preach the Apple mantra no matter the facts.
I've had no dropped calls either despite being on a single bar! My iPhone 4 is performing brilliantly so far and half a dozen friends and family members are as equally impressed. We're unable to relate to the problems others have highlighted.
What I would now like Apple to do is to make an audacious move and stop the look at their dropped signal campaign and solve the antenna design issue, deliver it with no alteration to the form factor and do it before September end. What would be even more awesome is a well coordinated plan to replace antennas for the first few million iPhones as part of a servicing programme at Apple stores. That to me would be more impressive and beyond the scope of any other company out there ever.
In the face of adversity stand up and be counted and deliver an unequivocal response.
Yes, and Yes. I have done the comparison, and the iPhone4 was, in my experience, much worse than any other mobile phone I've used (it was my first iPhone, so maybe if I was accustomed to poor reception characteristic of the earlier iPhones, I would not have been as surprised).
I've now had a Droid X for 2 days and it is so much better than the iPhone, it is startling. No dropped calls (out of about 60 so far). Great 3G response (I haven't yet quantified the speed).
So yes, I can corroborate the experiences of the legions of others saying that the iPhone4 has a dropped call problem in normal use when in an area with anything other than the strongest signal. I can also add my support to the large and growing chorus of happy Droid X owners who get great phone and internet performance.
I would normally just let this drop, but we have an obligation it to potential new buyers of the iPhone 4 to share our experiences and correct the misinformation being spewed by Apple and those who will blindly and reflexively preach the Apple mantra no matter the facts.
I've had no dropped calls either despite being on a single bar! My iPhone 4 is performing brilliantly so far and half a dozen friends and family members are as equally impressed. We're unable to relate to the problems others have highlighted.
What I would now like Apple to do is to make an audacious move and stop the look at their dropped signal campaign and solve the antenna design issue, deliver it with no alteration to the form factor and do it before September end. What would be even more awesome is a well coordinated plan to replace antennas for the first few million iPhones as part of a servicing programme at Apple stores. That to me would be more impressive and beyond the scope of any other company out there ever.
In the face of adversity stand up and be counted and deliver an unequivocal response.
Mine drops bars but not calls anywhere I've used it and gets 3G signal in places my 3GS doesn't. I also (on the occasions im not using it in a case, which is about 50%) have no problem holding the phone in either hand "just in case" ..
I don't mind Apple doing these videos. It's everyone else making them out to be more than they are. This isn't a huge big deal, but Apple need to make sure the media/public perception doesn't hamper sales of a perfectly decent device. They aren't saying other phones are bad.
I hope they do adjust the white (and later) ip4s somehow and the issue goes away completely. If it wasn't for the antenna issue nobody would seem to have anything bad to say about the phone. (apart from the usual iOS/itunes ecosystem stuff) It seems to be a flawed masterpiece.
I'd give them kudos for taking risks on the antenna design and trying odd things even if it has slapped them back in the face a bit.
I don't mind Apple doing these videos. It's everyone else making them out to be more than they are. This isn't a huge big deal, but Apple need to make sure the media/public perception doesn't hamper sales of a perfectly decent device. They aren't saying other phones are bad.
I hope they do adjust the white (and later) ip4s somehow and the issue goes away completely. If it wasn't for the antenna issue nobody would seem to have anything bad to say about the phone. (apart from the usual iOS/itunes ecosystem stuff) It seems to be a flawed masterpiece.
I'd give them kudos for taking risks on the antenna design and trying odd things even if it has slapped them back in the face a bit.
Seriously!?
Get a life people, you are getting angry over a cell phone...a cell phone. Put that energy into something useful.
Get a life people, you are getting angry over a cell phone...a cell phone. Put that energy into something useful.
There is a video RIGHT HERE, demostrating that you and any other basher here are PLAIN WRONG.
ah, I almost forgot, videos count only when is to blame apple ...
Exactly !Well it doesn't help that folks like you keep shifting the issue!
To begin with it was the "iPhone 4 Death Grip" and then it became The "iPhone Death One Finger Touch" when it was discovered that ALL phones like this have a so called "Death Grip"!
The issue is that at the moment all phones like this suffer from a degree of signal lose when they are held in a certain way. I mean you can make it into another issue if you want and I'm sure you will but that was the original issue (the iPhone 4 reception) you only change it to suit your argument!
BTW do you even have the iPhone up there in Canada yet? I mean you seem to have an awful lot to say on the subject, why does it bother you so? I don't think very many iPhone 4 owners are in "denial" but there seems to be a LOT of NON Owners who are obsessed about it, or is it just tech forums like this?
They are shifting from the "normally handled it lose bars" to the brand new "with one finger it lose bars", as soon as Apple demonstrated that all phones attenuate when held.
Now I quoted I video to show that is not true: where they are going to shift complains ?
People here are just tired of your propaganda against iPhone. Simple like that.
I was not doing any comparison at all, I was only speaking off our experience with the iPhone 4 and that none of us have any issues. I never said any thing about the Droid X. However I do know somebody who did get an X and had the first Droid, he himself still wants an iPhone 4 but his circumstances force him to wait. I played around with his Droid and new Droid X and they are fine but for me nothing comes close to iPhone 4, but I admit I have not had enough time to make a fair comparison.
That number is the people who have phoned AppleCare and know about the problem. It is safe to assume, unless you are an apple fanboy that other people have the same problem but don't know what is causing it. It is pathetic how people defend a defective product just because it comes from apple.
There is a video RIGHT HERE, demostrating that you and any other basher here are PLAIN WRONG.
ah, I almost forgot, videos count only when is to blame apple ...
Exactly !
They are shifting from the "normally handled it lose bars" to the brand new "with one finger it lose bars", as soon as Apple demonstrated that all phones attenuate when held.
Now I quoted I video to show that is not true: where they are going to shift complains ?
People here are just tired of your propaganda against iPhone. Simple like that.
When you design a phone, dude, you have to put the antenna somewhere. iPhone antenna could manage to keep data/voice exchange at a signal strenght as low as -125 dB, where almost EVERY OTHER PHONE just shows "no carrier".
But every basher here keep ignoring it.
And a question that always seems to be dodge is why is that it took Apple that it becaome such a big deal.
Oh yeah because the iPhone4 has a design flash in it and really it suffers a lot more than normal phones. Now Apple is trying to CYA it. The 9700 which has a larger and harsher crowd on it than iPhone never really suffered the same problem. iPhone 1-3 never had as bad of problems.
It was shown in the past on the iPhone Apple had chooses a poor design and had problem switching between 3G and edge. Apple has shown in the past that it chooses to look pretty over work well.
Then they use the clueless blind fanboys it has to spread it lies and knowns it can get away with about anything.
What is your methodology for estimating how many more (the only other related hard data being the 1.6% return rate, less than a third of the 3GS in the equivalent period (6%))?
And from that, how do you extrapolate that the product is defective?
Please be clear and specific.
So, if someone buys a phone, walks out the shop and then it doesn't even work, it will get replaced with a different one? How is that in ANY way different from Apples 30 day refund policy? Apart from the phone being a cheap knock-off?
Hopefully they at least had the back cover on when they did this. If not, that could have played a big part.
