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Apple Takes on Droid X With Latest Smartphone Antenna Video

It's OK for Apple to blame the media for hyping this issue, but now Apple just wont let it go. Enough with the childish finger pointing Apple, I used to think you were above this. Apple is obviously run by morons these days including the Steve.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
And a question that always seems to be dodge is why is that it took Apple that it becaome such a big deal.

Oh yeah because the iPhone4 has a design flash in it and really it suffers a lot more than normal phones. Now Apple is trying to CYA it. The 9700 which has a larger and harsher crowd on it than iPhone never really suffered the same problem. iPhone 1-3 never had as bad of problems.

It was shown in the past on the iPhone Apple had chooses a poor design and had problem switching between 3G and edge. Apple has shown in the past that it chooses to look pretty over work well.
Then they use the clueless blind fanboys it has to spread it lies and knowns it can get away with about anything.
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Your way off base it’s not a design flaw, they have made a choice to put it outside for better overall reception which it does have and more space inside. The so called trade off is when in a bad signal area if you're a bonehead and make sure you cover the "Sweet spot” you might drop down some bars, but in my experience I still don’t drop calls or data.
 
Well, this has become just like any of the other threads rehashing the same old things.

Where are the long lines returning this “faulty” “defective” phone?

You guys need to move on, because everyone else has. The media sure has.

Again, where are the long lines returning this “faulty” “defective” phone?
 
UTclassof89 said:
He doesn't have to own an iPhone 4 to know the difference between antenna detuning and antenna attenuation.

Apple is clearly trying to distract from their detuning problem by pointing out others' attenuation problems.
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You are experiencing detuning with ANY PHONE ...

KnightWRX said:
Address this point :

iPhone 4 drops 20 dbm when touched in a particular spot with a finger area no bigger than the tip of your pinky. Other phones, the worse offender being the Nexus 1, drop 10 dbm, 8 times less than iPhone 4's 20 dbm, when covered in multiple areas that require the entire length of your fingers or your palm's entirety.

This issue is very different.

Please, address this point. I made it 3 times already in this thread. If you don't, you are not arguing in good faith.
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And you, as usual, forgot on purpose to mention that iPhone 4 antenna could manage a call at -115 / -120 dB where other phones just show "no signal" :rolleyes:

UTclassof89 said:
You're joking, right?

I don't have to own an iPhone 4 to know the difference between antenna detuning and antenna attenuation, either.
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It seems to me that you too don't know what the difference is ...
 
Like Obi-Wan waving his hand to a stormtrooper, Steve Jobs waves his hand and the apple fanboys blindly follow.
 
marcfogel said:
That is because it is way ahead of iOS4 :)

The user experience is the same. Sorry!

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iPhone -> iPhone 3G -> iPhone 3GS (iOS4) -> Droid X
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Yes, maybe in another parallel dimension ....

zYxMa said:
Big TOTAL BS!!

iPhone has short circuit problem and _not_ how you hold it problem. The BIG difference between all those phones and iPhone 4 is that you only have to touch the spot, you don't even have to hold it in your hand. How difficult is it to understand? It's got nothing to do with "covering antennas"!!! So showing other phones is pathetic. On top of that none of those phones drop calls on you!!! But hey... average user will be happy...
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Short circuit ... (facepalm)

You clearly don't have any idea of what are you speaking about ...



btw, once again, every basher/hater ignore any video they don't like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EfawQj-Rto&feature=youtube_gdata

I'm going to reiterate it :D
 
Jimrod said:
Explain then please - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTtpDo7Mefw

Tell me, or preferably show me examples of any other phone with this behaviour with just a fingertip placed where you would normally put your palm/fingers under normal use - if you look about 3/4 of the way through you will see I can stop start the upload instantly by touching the phone - it is a serious design flaw in a phone regardless of what your "experts" say, this is how it can affect us people in the real world. And yes, it will be going back to Apple.
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I'll just quote myself as I'm still waiting for a response from those who say "all phones do this" (especially Max(IT)) as he keeps posting a vid saying there's no problem. There are 2 different matters entirely, 1: all phones suffer from when clasped, 2: is just the denied iP4 design fault as in my video. I have another vid where I can do the same thing taking it from 5 bars 3G to Edge network under the same circumstances but I don't care about bars, just that the phone WILL drop calls or stop data in a less than perfect 3G environment and if not held unnaturally for a left-hander, but so many keep denying it. (I will mention again that mine will be returned now O2 are allowing it so I will happily add to that 0.55%)
 
-aggie- said:
Well, this has become just like any of the other threads rehashing the same old things.

Where are the long lines returning this “faulty” “defective” phone?

You guys need to move on, because everyone else has. The media sure has.

Again, where are the long lines returning this “faulty” “defective” phone?
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They are in the long line to buy iPhone 4 for family members and friends!
 
Jimrod said:
I'll just quote myself as I'm still waiting for a response from those who say "all phones do this" (especially Max(IT)) as he keeps posting a vid saying there's no problem. There are 2 different matters entirely, 1: all phones suffer from when clasped, 2: is just the denied iP4 design fault as in my video. I have another vid where I can do the same thing taking it from 5 bars 3G to Edge network under the same circumstances but I don't care about bars, just that the phone WILL drop calls or stop data in a less than perfect 3G environment and if not held unnaturally for a left-hander, but so many keep denying it. (I will mention again that mine will be returned now O2 are allowing it so I will happily add to that 0.55%)
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Why have you waited to bring it back, what are you waiting for?
 
Antares said:
This is good. People may say the iPhone has problems...but the antenna issue is not unique to the iPhone. People just love bashing the iPhone because it is on top.
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Wroooong. We didn't buy the iPhone 4 to bash it - that would be retarded, we did however expect it to work properly under normal use (which it doesn't for many - see vid at top of page for example of the problem).
 
rsocal said:
Why have you waited to bring it back, what are you waiting for?
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Have been waiting for O2 - it's all well and good Apple promising returns within 30 days but not all bought from Apple, many bought subsidised phones on 2 year contracts and have been unable to return and cancel contract. Last night O2 changed their policy to allowing us to return by August 6th so mine will go back next week.
 
rish said:
Originally Posted by bkspero
Yes, and Yes. I have done the comparison, and the iPhone4 was, in my experience, much worse than any other mobile phone I've used (it was my first iPhone, so maybe if I was accustomed to poor reception characteristic of the earlier iPhones, I would not have been as surprised).

I've now had a Droid X for 2 days and it is so much better than the iPhone, it is startling. No dropped calls (out of about 60 so far). Great 3G response (I haven't yet quantified the speed).

So yes, I can corroborate the experiences of the legions of others saying that the iPhone4 has a dropped call problem in normal use when in an area with anything other than the strongest signal. I can also add my support to the large and growing chorus of happy Droid X owners who get great phone and internet performance.

I would normally just let this drop, but we have an obligation it to potential new buyers of the iPhone 4 to share our experiences and correct the misinformation being spewed by Apple and those who will blindly and reflexively preach the Apple mantra no matter the facts.




I've had no dropped calls either despite being on a single bar! My iPhone 4 is performing brilliantly so far and half a dozen friends and family members are as equally impressed. We're unable to relate to the problems others have highlighted.

What I would now like Apple to do is to make an audacious move and stop the look at their dropped signal campaign and solve the antenna design issue, deliver it with no alteration to the form factor and do it before September end. What would be even more awesome is a well coordinated plan to replace antennas for the first few million iPhones as part of a servicing programme at Apple stores. That to me would be more impressive and beyond the scope of any other company out there ever.

In the face of adversity stand up and be counted and deliver an unequivocal response.
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How's the interface polish compared to ios? I've seen a lot of rough edges in reviews - what's it like in daily use?

jdavis89 said:
Im an avid Apple fan/fanboy and stuck with Verizon so I have the Motorola Droid X. I am confused about this. I tried for 5 mins to replicate this video and mine did NOT do they at all. :confused:
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You need your own cell network, an rf-isolated room, and seven fingers on your left hand.
 
ouimetnick said:
So if you hold a phone like a retard/grip it tightly (very unnatural) it loses a few bars, and keeps the call. Place a metal object to bridge the lower left side of an iPhone 4, or touch it lightly with your finger, or even holding iPhone 4 normaly drops the call, and displays "Searching":confused:

Can someone explain how those are the same?:confused::confused:
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Finally someone that understands that the two are not the same.

But could it be due to the signal level in the area you are in that causes the dropped call (if its not getting a good signal to begin with). or maybe the antenna in the other phones are better then the one in the iP4.

All Apple has to do is put a small clear film of plastic over the antenna to keep the issue from happening from the first place, which would also keep you from having to get a bumper or case to make it work right.

Plus it would keep the iP4 looking the same.
 
vaguely said:
It is the last part of a spectacularly successful PR plan well explained here.
1. Don't engage with the wailing Fandroids (you just become part of the cacophony);
2. Don't say anything until you have something to say (it gives others the chance to trip themselves up);
3. When you have something to say, control the room and shamelessly bait the opposition (because the fight is already dirty and nice guys don't win);

And when they bite, send a message: "What to fight dirty? OK, game time."

  • So Nokia isn't mentioned, but comments anyway - suddenly Nokia is mentioned.
  • Droid X is left out, but Motorola's founder can't keep quiet. Bang.

The message is simple: "Keep off the grass".

And here is why. This is the big boys playground, not the Mock UN.
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Awesome. This post and the link pretty much end the discussion. I'm moving on, you should too. Maybe I'll go check out the macbook air forums.
 
Jimrod said:
Have been waiting for O2 - it's all well and good Apple promising returns within 30 days but not all bought from Apple, many bought subsidised phones on 2 year contracts and have been unable to return and cancel contract. Last night O2 changed their policy to allowing us to return by August 6th so mine will go back next week.
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Why not now?:cool:
 
jdavis89 said:
Im an avid Apple fan/fanboy and stuck with Verizon so I have the Motorola Droid X. I am confused about this. I tried for 5 mins to replicate this video and mine did NOT do they at all. :confused:
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Move to an area with a worst network coverage and you will see.
With any phone.
Your Droid X is absolutely ok, it is just a behavior of every phone when you cover the antenna.


BTW, JUST to reiterate :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EfawQj-Rto&feature=youtube_gdata
 
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