Apple Targeted by EU Probe into Irish Tax Policies as U.S. Considers Tax Holiday for Cash Repatriation

[OLDCODGER]

If you are indeed old you, also get a hand out in the form of Pension from the state, I think in your case the UK.

Who are these thieves that you keep talking about?

Nope, not one penny - I took care of myself.

 

[Eraserhead]

In England, until 1874.

Surely before 1832 the thieves were in charge as that was when we had rotten boroughs.

And actually income tax was introduced in the UK in 1799...

How many EBT cards alone are there in America?

Yes, it matters to me. You pay for them if it doesn't bother you.

Source on the level of EBT fraud?

The US is a very young country, knowing little of actual Laissez Faire. England built an empire on it.

Its true that England built an empire on capitalism, but it also built that empire on the back of a very large state owned company.

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Nope, not one penny - I took care of myself.

So you don't claim social security .

England didn't pay personal income tax (PAYE) until 1909, for example.

Nope.

 

[Happybunny]

Local or community taxes/fees, designed to pay for local infrastructure is totally different than general taxation to prop up the Welfare State. (Naturally, I exclude military and other essential infrastructure costs - considering them to be the cost my living "user pays") It should be noted that, in most countries, personal income tax was imposed to pay for Socialism.

In England, until 1874.

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You're joking, right?

How many EBT cards alone are there in America?

Yes, it matters to me. You pay for them if it doesn't bother you.

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The US is a very young country, knowing little of actual Laissez Faire. England built an empire on it.

Local taxes/fees, plus essential state expenditure (Law, military, etc) would take care of security concerns - no need to steal money from me for the upkeep of the takers.

Times have changed the UK, is just a small cog in a large EU.

You are living in the past if you really want to make a difference, you have to learn how to make the system work better.
The Welfare state is here to stay as far a modern Europe is concerned, there is just no going back to 1874.

The way you go on and on about the state stealing money from you, you would think that you were in the 50% rate of income tax.

 

[Oletros]

Source on the level of EBT fraud?

For him, the fraud is the EBT in itself

 

[Happybunny]

Nope, not one penny - I took care of myself.

Of course you did.

You are that maverick, living on the edge, off the grid.

 

[Eraserhead]

For him, the fraud is the EBT in itself

Which is a completely insane position - as it implies that all assistance to those in need is bad.

 

[IJ Reilly]

Sure they can. Many out there. Earned income tax credit, Personal exemption dozens of tax breaks for individuals. Just because private citizens can legally take them would we call it evading taxes?

The problems are the laws, not the corporations taking advantage of them. If private citizens can take advantage of them, why not corporations? If the tax laws are unfair, it needs to be changed, not blaming corperations that make use of them.

You miss the point. Yes, both individuals and corporations have access to deductions to income. What individuals cannot do is legally is offshore their incomes to avoid taxation. Corporations most certainly can, and do. The other frequently overlooked point is that the 35% rate for corporate taxes is almost never paid, but that doesn't stop it from being used to support the bumper-sticker logic that the corporate tax rate is too high.

Yes, the problem is the law. The tax laws favor corporations and disfavor individuals, and changing them is extremely difficult because of the disproportionate influence corporations have over the writing of laws.

 

[Oletros]

Which is a completely insane position - as it implies that all assistance to those in need is bad.

That is precisely his position, welfare is bad.

 

[OLDCODGER]

Surely before 1832 the thieves were in charge as that was when we had rotten boroughs.

And actually income tax was introduced in the UK in 1799...



Source on the level of EBT fraud?



Its true that England built an empire on capitalism, but it also built that empire on the back of a very large state owned company.

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So you don't claim social security .



Nope.

1799 was a temporary war tax, but you knew that, didn't you?

As noted below, the EBT itself is the problem.

The rotten boroughs were not stealing from themselves, or anyone else - they just kept their own power in place, until turfed out in the opening shots of Socialism.

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Times have changed the UK, is just a small cog in a large EU.

You are living in the past if you really want to make a difference, you have to learn how to make the system work better.
The Welfare state is here to stay as far a modern Europe is concerned, there is just no going back to 1874.

The way you go on and on about the state stealing money from you, you would think that you were in the 50% rate of income tax.

The rate is irrelevant - the usage is.

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Of course you did.

You are that maverick, living on the edge, off the grid.

Bothers you, doesn't it.

 

[Happybunny]

1799 was a temporary war tax, but you knew that, didn't you?

As noted below, the EBT itself is the problem.

The rotten boroughs were not stealing from themselves, or anyone else - they just kept their own power in place, until turfed out in the opening shots of Socialism.

That might all be well and good, but you cannot turn the clock back to 1799.

Live in the now, the UK is just a small country in a larger EU.

The welfare state is going to stay in place, if you don't like it the only way forward is to reform it.

 

[OLDCODGER]

Which is a completely insane position - as it implies that all assistance to those in need is bad.

It is. Let Darwin take care of them. (or you can, if you care to).

 

[IJ Reilly]

That's kind of what irritates me about the lobbying for tax holidays. There was one in the last decade that was ineffective relative to its explicitly stated purpose. If one is passed, any talk of reform or changes to tax code or how to deal with those issues will be passed over. In that sense it becomes a matter of triage until funds once again build up overseas.

That too, but what really irritates me is that corporations can lobby for special treatment under the tax code, with the expectation that they might very well get it. This alone does not bode particularly well for anything better than "tax reform" in name only.

 

[OLDCODGER]

That is precisely his position, welfare is bad.

Got it.

 

[luckydcxx]

Many people believe they "think" while they are just dominated by the mainstream ideas they keep repeating and propagating themselves.

These ideas stem from the lobbies and the ones that really have power and money, and they propagate them by all means (media, books, political parties...).
In the end people whose mind is intellectually-dominated like this end up just blobbing out phrases like "don't hate the player hate the game" or "I'm so glad, I'm a BETA"... and they believe they have thoughts of their own...

This powerful and wealthy people and companies are not only players, they act so that the rules of the game are changed to serve their interests, agains public interest.

So hate this players and fight them if you're not one of them: they hate YOU and fight YOU.

I disagree and I think you would have done well down at Occupy Wall Street with your beliefs

 

[Eraserhead]

1799 was a temporary war tax, but you knew that, didn't you?

So? If you read the source it is clear that it was back very shortly afterwards. And it was back for good from the 1840's.

As noted below, the EBT itself is the problem.

Right, so how should the poor be helped? Magic beans?

The rotten boroughs were not stealing from themselves, or anyone else - they just kept their own power in place, until turfed out in the opening shots of Socialism.

Are you seriously saying that blatant government corruption in the form of rotten boroughs was actually good? I mean seriously?

The rate is irrelevant - the usage is.

So what should tax be used for?

Bothers you, doesn't it.

So how as someone who lives apart from the community off the grid do you go on the internet?

 

[Jambalaya]

First of all, it didn't start in a day. NSDAP wasn't elected as soon as it was formed. In fact, it took over a decade for them to gain prominence. When you see an antisemitic party gaining support, the last thing you do as a jew is stay in the country.

Secondly, just because you're forbidden from travelling, doesn't mean that you can't do it illegally.

Your posts are either very naïve or deliberately offensive

 

[OLDCODGER]

That might all be well and good, but you cannot turn the clock back to 1799.

Live in the now, the UK is just a small country in a larger EU.

The welfare state is going to stay in place, if you don't like it the only way forward is to reform it.

FWIIW, I haven't lived in England since the year of the Common Market - knowing what was coming shortly thereafter.

As the late, great Maggie said - until you run out of other people's money.

 

[Happybunny]

1799 was a temporary war tax, but you knew that, didn't you?

As noted below, the EBT itself is the problem.

The rotten boroughs were not stealing from themselves, or anyone else - they just kept their own power in place, until turfed out in the opening shots of Socialism.

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The rate is irrelevant - the usage is.

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Bothers you, doesn't it.

If you believe that you will believe anything.

This is the internet, you can say anything, there is just no way of telling if you are truthful or not.

 

[Eraserhead]

FWIIW, I haven't lived in England since the year of the Common Market - knowing what was coming shortly thereafter.

As the late, great Maggie said - until you run out of other people's money.

Where were you educated?

 

[Oletros]

Right, so how should the poor be helped? Magic beans?

Let them die:

It is. Let Darwin take care of them. (or you can, if you care to).

 

[Eraserhead]

Let them die:

And what happens when the poor riot at that injustice?

 

[OLDCODGER]

So? If you read the source it is clear that it was back very shortly afterwards. And it was back for good from the 1840's.



Right, so how should the poor be helped? Magic beans?



Are you seriously saying that blatant government corruption in the form of rotten boroughs was actually good? I mean seriously?



So what should tax be used for?



So how as someone who lives apart from the community off the grid do you go on the internet?

PAYE started with the 1909 "People's Budget" Prior to that, income tax was irregular and restricted in nature.

Corruption? It was anti-democratic, which was a good thing.

Essential services only - designed to allow for free, safe trade. Once that essential infrastructure is in place, leave people to make their own way - as best they can.

 

[Oletros]

And what happens when the poor riot at that injustice?

The police or the army takes care. It is funny that passing them is one of the few things that are good to pay taxes for.

 

[Eraserhead]

PAYE started with the 1909 "People's Budget" Prior to that, income tax was irregular and restricted in nature.

Income tax was very much a thing before 1909 - especially for the rich such as yourself.

Corruption? It was anti-democratic, which was a good thing

Why is democracy bad?

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The police or the army takes care.

What happens when the police and army refuse to do that (being that they are generally made up of poor people)?

 

[OLDCODGER]

If you believe that you will believe anything.

This is the internet, you can say anything, there is just no way of telling if you are truthful or not.

While that is true, why do you insist upon projecting my lifestyle. I'm not off the grid - I just manage it as best I can.

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Where were you educated?

Privately.