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But, at what point does an interface become too generic? For example, the concept of pages of icons in a grid isn't really new or innovative. The concept of swiping across screens is simple and intuitive and should be standardized (e.g. copied) for that exact reason.

Yep. For that matter, other phones had the ability to slide swipe between multiple homescreens before the iPhone did.

If people stop to recall, the iPhone originally only came with a dozen Apple apps and one homescreen.
 
I know I'll probably get shot for this but I'm gunnu say it anyway. Samsung's UI looks much nicer...seems more...finished. That combined with the Android 'Draw' (the slide-down top nav bar) will make it pretty decent.
 
Can only be 1 reason, Apple are worried.
If they felt totally confident in their product then they would not feel any threat from others and need to try something like this on.
Yup. Apple is worried about consumer confusion. If someone looks ENOUGH like your product, and people sweep any differences under the rug, its concerning. At the end of the day, the Samsung products look plenty "good enough", yet for all their technical achievements at approximating Apple... they're employing a strategy of rip-off artists and cashing in.

They've been working very hard on that point. If Samsung even put a smidgen of effort into differentiating the two products, it would help Apple maintain at least a visual line of demarcation. As it stands, they NEED to sue to get Samsung to cut out the nonsense.

Do you know the new Galaxy Tab has a "camera connection kit" too? But, its black not white like Apple's. Ehhhh... there's only so far people can go before you have to say, "Enough! Cut it out! Stop copying from my paper! TEACHER!" :D

~ CB
 

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Where did I use the word "innovative"?

When you stop putting words into conversations to give you something to mould your already weak reply around, I'll continue this discussion.

You rip off something when it's new/not-done-before/innovative. Apple is saying samsung ripped off (maybe, maybe not) Apple stuff, you know something that wasn't done, hence Apple got the patents.

And what I'm saying is LG Prada had elements in a phone (all lcd front, touch screen) that was something new/innovative, no matter how poorly executed it may have been.

All I'm saying is IF apple somehow wins in court against Samsung, they better be prepared to face LG and lose in court.
 
Now we're talking! I too see the similarities between both devices and software wise I think Apple arevright on this one.

TouchWiz bears more than a passing resemblance to iOS, all the way down to icon rearrangement and application uninstallation when in the application menu. Their latest version even has some WP7 cues with squared icons!
http://www.mobile-computing-news.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Samsung-Galaxy-S2.jpg

Wait that's not an iPhone 4? Had to do a double take for a second.
 
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Does anyone know who or what company invented

The rubber band scrolling effect
Visual voicemail
Threaded text messaging

??????

I never saw any of those pre iPhone 1.

If not apple I want to thank the man/woman who did.

Also if any future tablet comes out with internal magnets to hold on the devices cover That would just be way to obvious of a copy. I have an iPad 2 and the cover is damn slick.

The first time I encountered thread SMS was on my Palm Treo 650, and then it was hacked on to my 700w running WM once the Treo 750 rom was leaked. Blackberry users had the same convenience for years too. As for the scrolling I kind of had a slow version of it on my WM devices, but that doesn't really count though.
 
Yup. Apple is worried about consumer confusion. If someone looks ENOUGH like your product, and people sweep any differences under the rug, its concerning. At the end of the day, the Samsung products look plenty "good enough".

They've been working very hard on that point. If Samsung even put a smidgen of effort into differentiating the two products, it would help Apple maintain at least a visual line of demarcation. As it stands, they NEED to sue to get Samsung to cut out the non-sense.

Do you know the new Galaxy Tab has a "camera connection kit" too? But, its black not white like Apple's. Ehhhh... there's only so far people can go before you have to say, "Enough! Cut it out! Stop copying from my paper! TEACHER!" :D

~ CB

I would try to agree but are you saying people don't know how to spell 'ipad', 'iphone', or 'iOS'? Or that they would somehow mistakenly go to Best Buy and somehow mistakenly buy a samsung device when they wanted 'apple' device?
 
It was the first phone to offer a touch screen with the accuracy of a stylus using your finger.

Early touch screens were unresponsive, slow, and borderline unusable ... but were "cool" cause there was no buttons.

How many effing times does this have to be repeated.

APPLE was NOT the first to launch a capacitive screen for a smartphone. it was the LG PRADA.

goodness...
 
Yep. For that matter, other phones had the ability to slide swipe between multiple homescreens before the iPhone did.

If people stop to recall, the iPhone originally only came with a dozen Apple apps and one homescreen.

The swipe and 'hold-down to delete' functionality existed from the get go as it used to be for web apps. Then they added in the ability to move icons around on 2.x. Funnily enough most of todays UI was designed by developers via Cydia. Apple just didn't like the fact that an unofficial appstore came out and changed their mind about opening the platform up.
 
I would try to agree but are you saying people don't know how to spell 'ipad', 'iphone', or 'iOS'? Or that they would somehow mistakenly go to Best Buy and somehow mistakenly buy a samsung device when they wanted 'apple' device?

The market for smartphones includes plenty of pre-schoolers who don't yet know how spell. I think they probably know their ABCs though. Smart ones can probably spot a fake iPhone if they come across one. The rest will end up on the holographic version of AppleRumors.com one day (the name change will happen eventually).
 
iPhone looks nothing like Prada.

iPhone and Galaxy S look near identical.

I trust that was the point you're making. If not, and anyone thinks the iPhone looks as similar to the Prada as the Galaxy S does to the 3GS, then they need to take a trip to their nearest Optician.

But you are being subjective. Also, i believe LG Prada was first phone with all screen front and touch screen. Maybe apple had such plans before but LG was first to come out with it, SIX months before apple's iphone was released.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)


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We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006.



I don't care if Apple's first iphone was round but if it had all screen front AND touch screen, it still can be considered a copy of LG Prada. All screen front and touch screen for phone is pretty revolutionary.

And let's not forget famous Steve Jobs' quote which goes something like this:
'we shameless copy the best ideas to make our product better'.

In a strange way i don't think it's bad.
 
It's not just the phones and tablets.

I've noticed a designed knock off for a while now. It's not just the tablets or the phones their portable computer line looks very similar to the MacBook Pros and airs.

Check out their website and look at them. It's shockingly similar to Apple's.
 

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Where did I use the word "innovative"?

When you stop putting words into conversations to give you something to mould your already weak reply around, I'll continue this discussion.

so can we agree that Apple copied LG then..?

Generally Black
Rectangular
Capacitive
Screen based Icons

??

Remember Apple are suing on 'look and feel'.... industrial design, not how it works or usability.

No chance... very sad day for the world if taken seriously.
 
I've noticed a designed knock off for a while now. It's not just the tablets or the phones their portable computer line looks very similar to the MacBook Pros and airs.

Check out their website and look at them. It's shockingly similar to Apple's.

Um yeah...a striking resemblance... :rolleyes:
 
How many effing times does this have to be repeated.

APPLE was NOT the first to launch a capacitive screen for a smartphone. it was the LG PRADA.

goodness...

I could be mistaken but I don't think on the prada you could flick and scroll. You had to take your finger and grab the side scroll bar and pull ala windows. Very awkward. Sure you used your finger but was very stylus like. Not natural in it's feel.

Also not sure if prada could pinch to zoom. if it could I'm sure it was choppy as he'll.

In fact the prada screen was quite crap. Actually the prada software and UI was pretty bad too. Look it up on YouTube.

They didn't sell many. No ones ever heard of this phone. Get over it.
 
Apple has to try to protect their IP or they risk losing it. What I wonder is why it took them so long to start lawsuits over this.

Exacly. To the people saying "they're not similar at all" clearly just don't understand the first thing about design. And I'm not talking about just visual design. Just because Samsung tries to tweak one little thing doesn't make their design unique from Apples. At the end of the day, Apple invented inertial scrolling and the entire blueprint for finger driven Application frameworks in cocoa touch. To not recognize these design achievements shows how little you understand about design in general. And that's not even taking into account the similar hardware designs they share as well. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure the courts will recognize these design concepts either, and will not likely sidenwith Apple. Courts don't understand design much, especially when it comes to software and technology.

It really just amazes me how quickly people forget things. People already forgot what phones looked like in 2007 and how they BEHAVED. They were nothing like the iPhone. Now today, they're ALL like the iPhone.
 
The market for smartphones includes plenty of pre-schoolers who don't yet know how spell. I think they probably know their ABCs though. Smart ones can probably spot a fake iPhone if they come across one. The rest will end up on the holographic version of AppleRumors.com one day (the name change will happen eventually).

I don't understand what you are trying to say? Are you saying preschools are allowed smartphones by their parents?
 
But you are being subjective. Also, i believe LG ...........And let's not forget famous Steve Jobs' quote which goes something like this:
'we shameless copy the best ideas to make our product better'.

In a strange way i don't think it's bad.

Dude the iPhone was in development way before the Prada aka failure was launched.

They don't even look similar and the UI is way clunky on the Prada. Doesn't it have T9 texting? It's totally not like the iPhone other then it has a touch screen.
 
I could be mistaken but I don't think on the prada you could flick and scroll. You had to take your finger and grab the side scroll bar and pull ala windows. Very awkward. Sure you used your finger but was very stylus like. Not natural in it's feel.

Also not sure if prada could pinch to zoom. if it could I'm sure it was choppy as he'll.

In fact the prada screen was quite crap. Actually the prada software and UI was pretty bad too. Look it up on YouTube.

They didn't sell many. No ones ever heard of this phone. Get over it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)

It was the first mobile phone with a capacitive touchscreen. LG Prada sold 1 million units in the first 18 months.



FIRST mobile phone with capacitive touch screen? Sounds like an innovative product to me.
 
I could be mistaken but I don't think on the prada you could flick and scroll. You had to take your finger and grab the side scroll bar and pull ala windows. Very awkward. Sure you used your finger but was very stylus like. Not natural in it's feel.

Also not sure if prada could pinch to zoom. if it could I'm sure it was choppy as he'll.

In fact the prada screen was quite crap. Actually the prada software and UI was pretty bad too. Look it up on YouTube.

They didn't sell many. No ones ever heard of this phone. Get over it.

I've edited your post below to make it relevant...

original posted by Spoony..

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hey, you're welcome...:p;)
 
People need to stop mentioning the Prada. It wasn't the first device with icons in a grid or a touch screen (neither was the iPhone). That's not the issue here.

Samsung blatantly ripped off virtually every design element of the iPhone, which the iPhone did not do with the Prada. Here are some examples:

#1 Size of the grid - both 4 x 4 (Prada was 2 x 3)
#2 Shape of the icons - both square (Prada was circle, win/mac/palm are app dependent)
#3 Placement of the dock - both bottom (obvious, but still copied... Prada was on the side)
#4 Size of the icons in the dock - both the same as the icons in the grid (Prada had smaller icons)
#5 Page indicators - both use dots (As far as I know the Prada had no such thing)

Once again, the problem isn't that they copied the idea of of a grid of icons, but rather that they copied every element of Apple's implementation of the grid, along with hardware design and accessories. There's a line between inspiration and copying and I think Samsung may have crossed it.
 
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