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great now folks like this guy here ^^ are making wild assumptions.

YEAH MAN, LG already KNEW Apple was gonna come out with a multitouch smartphone, so they rushed ahead and created the 'LG Prada,' therefore Apple had the first capacitive touch screen before LG! YEAH! /sarcasm.

Give me a break kid. If you're gonna make an assumption, at least back it up with some kind of source.

I am quoting source. Apple was in production for about 5 years on iOS and touch screen. Look it up.
 
I am quoting source. Apple was in production for about 5 years on iOS and touch screen. Look it up.

heres how sourcing works. You provide a source (normally a hyperlink, to said claim)

Kids these days, they don't even know how to source properly :/
 
Hey now they gave those concepts to Apple, because they thought they were worthless. That's Xerox's bad.

Xerox DID NOT give the concepts to Apple. Yes Xerox thought it was not worth pursuing but Xerox did not give the idea to Apple.

Steve Jobs was on a tour of Xerox R&D facility and he happened to run into it. Or he was given a demo or something like it. It was NOT given to Apple...
 
Regardless of LG's "quality", they were the first to produce a product.
And Apple was originally developing the iPhone as a tablet, not a phone.
It wasn't until mid/late 2006 before the rumors started to have some shred of legitimacy.
All mock-ups and assumptions as to exactly "what" Apple was planning on releasing looked NOTHING like what they actually released.

We don't know that.

Do you have proof? All the patentlyapple.com threads show that they had the concept from the beginning. Except for a really old patent showing a square box.
 
I can see the similarity in the phone UI's. Samsung's is almost identical to iOS. However, why the Galaxy Tab? It runs the same OS as every android device, and all tablets are gonna have similar form factors. Just business, I guess.
 
My point is watch the prada UI in action on YouTube and after that watch the iPhone in action. Prada is yes innovative. I'm not saying it's not it's just feels and looks mechanical. You may think that's not important but it is. These subtle differences are what make a product fail or succeed.

Prada was a newish idea stuck with old mechanics and design. The iPhone has always felt and operated in a silky smooth way. Like an extension of yourself. You didn't have to battle with it.

Android finally figured this out and samsung just took it full circle and copied it 100%

Prada --> Apple improves on it. (ok Prada idea wasn't patented)

Apple --> Samsung doesn't improve on it and some say it failed.

SO if it sucks, why should Apple go through the trouble of suing one of their most important vendors? Fear/worry/concern anyone?
 
You cannot design and build a phone is a week and the LG Prada (KE850) was RELEASED in Jan 2007. PC World did a review of it before it was released.
Before anyone even knew what an iPhone really was, let alone looked like.

Agreed, you cannot design and build a phone like that in a week.

Then again, I never claimed that LG copied the iPhone. It was you that argued that the LG Prada was first to market while implying that the iPhone had copied it's design. I was simply pointing out that in fact it was not, so the correct facts were out there.

Surely you'd have to agree that if you laid out all of the hand-held devices with screens and icons from the Palms, Newtons, Pradas, Windows crap phones on down to the crop that are all on the market today. The phones (in question) only closely resemble one phone and that is the iPhone. They do not remotely resemble anything that came before.

The same thing goes for the iPad. Admittedly Apple wasn't the first tablet, but it was the first tablet that looked and functioned like this, which was nothing more than a carry-over from the iPod Touch and iPhone. furthermore, it was the first tablet to be a hit with consumers. We also know that it's a hit because everyone else is scrambling to copy them.
 
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I am quoting source. Apple was in production for about 5 years on iOS and touch screen. Look it up.
You mean 5 years of R&D. ;)

We don't know that.

Do you have proof? All the patentlyapple.com threads show that they had the concept from the beginning. Except for a really old patent showing a square box.
And as Steve mentioned... it was a tablet project that turned into a phone.
 
Xerox DID NOT give the concepts to Apple. Yes Xerox thought it was not worth pursuing but Xerox did not give the idea to Apple.

Steve Jobs was on a tour of Xerox R&D facility and he happened to run into it. Or he was given a demo or something like it. It was NOT given to Apple...

You are absolutely wrong. Xerox PARC had the "rough idea" of a GUI, the mouse came from SRI, the concepts of Icons, Menus came from other areas of research at various Universities, etc...

It was "Apple" that refined it, then set the "Standard Interface" we all use today. The Xerox systems looked nothing like Windows or a Mac. It was very rudimentary stuff, at best.

You can deeper into what actually happened here:

Apple did not "rip-off" the Macs UI from Xerox. Apple had hired some people from Xerox (like Jef Raskin, Bruce Horn) who believed in concepts of a Graphical User Interface. These concepts are pretty broad -- like making a computer easier to use by using graphics (icons), using menus, windows and making a consistent interface to do things. The work on these concepts predates Xerox PARC -- in fact it was many of these peoples individual work on those concepts that got them hired at PARC. So Xerox (PARC) brought them together to refine them.

More...

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html
 
Lol sure thing brochacho!

That is a pretty newbtardish word :rolleyes:



Apple has really lost its way imho. It doesn't have the fight the mac to beat the mac attitude. It has that i have sheep so lets keep it simple attitude. The day I day is the day my dual G4 tower dies.
 
You are absolutely wrong. Xerox PARC had the "rough idea" of a GUI, the mouse came from SRI, the concepts of Icons, Menus came from other areas of research at various Universities, etc...

It was "Apple" that refined it, then set the "Standard Interface" we all use today. The Xerox systems looked nothing like Windows or a Mac. It was very rudimentary stuff, at best.

You can deeper into what actually happened here:

Apple did not "rip-off" the Macs UI from Xerox. Apple had hired some people from Xerox (like Jef Raskin, Bruce Horn) who believed in concepts of a Graphical User Interface. These concepts are pretty broad -- like making a computer easier to use by using graphics (icons), using menus, windows and making a consistent interface to do things. The work on these concepts predates Xerox PARC -- in fact it was many of these peoples individual work on those concepts that got them hired at PARC. So Xerox (PARC) brought them together to refine them.

More...

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html


So Jobs was not only inspired (some would say steal), he stole away Xerox employees? I mean it all worked out better for us, as he shameless stole the best idea to make better products?
 
Absolutely not, it is all about protecting your intellectual property, things you have spent your R&D on CANNOT BE COPIED. PERIOD. That's why patents were developed, to protect intellectual property rights:cool:

Exactly

I can see the similarity in the phone UI's. Samsung's is almost identical to iOS. However, why the Galaxy Tab? It runs the same OS as every android device, and all tablets are gonna have similar form factors. Just business, I guess.

Well there are android phones that are very different looking to the iPhone, tablets van be made different too
 
Agreed, you cannot design and build a phone like that in a week.

Then again, I never claimed that LG copied the iPhone. It was you that argued that the LG Prada was first to market while implying that the iPhone had copied it's design. I was simply pointing out that in fact it was not, so the correct facts were out there.

Surely you'd have to agree that if you laid out all of the hand-held devices with screens and icons from the Palms, Newtons, Pradas, Windows crap phones on down to the crop that are all on the market today. The phones today only closely resemble one phone and that is the iPhone. They do not remotely resemble anything that came before.

The same thing goes for the iPad. Admittedly Apple wasn't the first tablet, but it was the first tablet that looked and functioned like this, which was nothing more than a carry-over from the iPod Touch and iPhone. furthermore, it was the first tablet to be a hot with consumers. We also know that it's a hit because everyone else is scrambling to copy them.


No Apple had MONTHS to design iphone AFTER LG Prada was revealed.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)

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We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006.
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Not necessarily saying Apple really copied LG Prada BUT if they wanted to, they had the time, in terms of months. NOT a week.
 
Wake up

So Jobs was not only inspired (some would say steal), he stole away Xerox employees? I mean it all worked out better for us, as he shameless stole the best idea to make better products?

Can you please leave. The facts are right there. It's business foolio... business. Xerox agreed they also got tons of stock for it worth millions now. Steve didn't steal anything. :rolleyes:
 
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It has maybe already been said because I haven't read the entirety of this thread but... It would be funny if Samsung just cut Apple off for iPad screens. I doubt this is likely because Apple has paid billions already but it would be amusing.
 
No Apple had MONTHS to design iphone AFTER LG Prada was revealed.

We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006.

Not necessarily saying Apple really copied LG Prada BUT if they wanted to, they had the time, in terms of months. NOT a week.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)

No true, do you know how long it takes to prep the factories and get the parts? They are starting on iPhone 5 now, which wont drop for months. That's with a design already in place. They bought iPad screens years in advanced. You guys think companies have god like abilities. It's way more involved then a few months. They had to have the design pretty much hammered down at least a year before production.
 
You are a fool. Can you please leave. The facts are right there. It's business foolio... business. Xerox agreed they also got tons of stock for it worth millions now. Steve didn't steal anything. :rolleyes:

I don't understand why apple would sue one of the most important vendors they have. They got someone else to replace samsung?
 
It has maybe already been said because I haven't read the entirety of this thread but... It would be funny if Samsung just cut Apple off for iPad screens. I doubt this is likely because Apple has paid billions already but it would be amusing.

Well samsung wouldn't do that, they'd lose probably their biggest customer. Worse in the long run
 
You are a fool. Can you please leave. The facts are right there. It's business foolio... business. Xerox agreed they also got tons of stock for it worth millions now. Steve didn't steal anything. :rolleyes:

actually you're wrong. Xerox sued Apple once they found out Apple was suing Microsoft with regards to their GUI, which had its origins in Xerox labs, and military connections before even that (think DARPA).

so if all was fine and dandy, why did Xerox sue Apple? You're sugarcoating, and i have a problem with that.
 
It has maybe already been said because I haven't read the entirety of this thread but... It would be funny if Samsung just cut Apple off for iPad screens. I doubt this is likely because Apple has paid billions already but it would be amusing.

why stop at screens? A4? A5? I believe samsung is exclusive maker for them.
 
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