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What I do hate, is people talking about things they have no idea about (pretty much the old and tiring "hurr durr windows sucks go apple" type of mentality).

Actually, I've been down the "ghetto hardware" road myself. Built my own PCs, in crappy-looking cases (hence the "ghetto" label), fans blasting in every direction, just to squeeze out a few extra FPS just like you said. I'm done with those days - not worth the time, not worth the hassle, not worth the abysmal resale value, not worth the endless struggle for hardware supremacy and BIOS setting optimization. Not worth it to me. If it's worth it to someone else, good for them. I'm not going to troll their overclocking forums and tell them how stupid their preferences are.

I dumped my homebuilt PC and am never looking back (still use a PC laptop at work though and have WinXP and Win7 in VMware on my Mac for those one or two Windows apps I still use).

The point is many of us here do know exactly what we're talking about - we're not talking from ignorance (unlike many of those on this forum who join simply to rage against Apple and its users).
 
Don't you think Apple should patch that nasty Snow Leopard bug that deletes all your data before they start attacking Windows 7?
 
The Mac has a disadvantage in the enterprise. But it's not for a lack of trying. The current Exchange support is excellent, but is hampered by requiring newer versions the enterprise may not be employing, or configuration requirements that IT refuses to implement.

Speaking as a web developer and Mac user that works in a Windows Server environment, I would say there are a few rough areas but in general it can work.

Unless you're a .NET shop, though, Windows is just an absolutely miserable environment for development. My day is spent hopping from one Remote Desktop session to another, typing my password over and over and over, continually landing on systems that don't have so much as a decent text editor installed. Not being able to simply SSH into something and run a simple script is something you really miss when you cross over from the UNIX world.

supposedly they will fix that in the next version. i've read that at MS the developers had servers under their desk for development purposes which is the reason for the crappy remote administration features. few months ago the powers at MS took those away and put them in a new data center a few miles away and told the devs to code for remote administration in mind.

powershell 2 will do it, but it still immature compared to ^nix
 
They have in 10.6.2

Yeah but if you're not a developer, you're not running 10.6.2.
Someone could have saw that commercial yesterday, moved all their data to a new Mac this afternoon and *POOF* lost all their data by night.
 
Yeah but if you're not a developer, you're not running 10.6.2.
Someone could have saw that commercial yesterday, moved all their data to a new Mac this afternoon and *POOF* lost all their data by night.

Well, it will be fixed, thats all I was getting at. I'm not responsible for Apples devs.
 
Yeah but if you're not a developer, you're not running 10.6.2.
Someone could have saw that commercial yesterday, moved all their data to a new Mac this afternoon and *POOF* lost all their data by night.
As amusing as that would be, they would need a guest account first and a new user isn't going to have that off the bat.
 
Actually, I've been down the "ghetto hardware" road myself. Built my own PCs, in crappy-looking cases (hence the "ghetto" label), fans blasting in every direction, just to squeeze out a few extra FPS just like you said. I'm done with those days - not worth the time, not worth the hassle, not worth the abysmal resale value, not worth the endless struggle for hardware supremacy and BIOS setting optimization. Not worth it to me. If it's worth it to someone else, good for them. I'm not going to troll their overclocking forums and tell them how stupid their preferences are.

I dumped my homebuilt PC and am never looking back (still use a PC laptop at work though and have WinXP and Win7 in VMware on my Mac for those one or two Windows apps I still use).

The point is many of us here do know exactly what we're talking about - we're not talking from ignorance (unlike many of those on this forum who join simply to rage against Apple and its users).

You don't know what you're talking about. I can build a PC for a fraction of the price of a Mac with far superior components. The parts inside your Mac are no different than what you'll find in a Dell or HP. You're kidding yourself if you think a Mac is built with better components. I'll take Corsair PSU's, Gigabyte MOBO's, ect anyday.
 
As amusing as that would be, they would need a guest account first and a new user isn't going to have that off the bat.

The first thing I did when I got my 1st Mac a little over a year ago was set up a guest account so my family/friends could play with it when I wasnt around.
 
The first thing I did when I got my 1st Mac a little over a year ago was set up a guest account so my family/friends could play with it when I wasnt around.

I sincerely doubt that is the standard case for someone trying to learn to do things on their new mac.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. I can build a PC for a fraction of the price of a Mac with far superior components. The parts inside your Mac are no different than what you'll find in a Dell or HP. You're kidding yourself if you think a Mac is built with better components. I'll take Corsair PSU's, Gigabyte MOBO's, ect anyday.
Most of it is Foxconn anyways.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. I can build a PC for a fraction of the price of a Mac with far superior components. The parts inside your Mac are no different than what you'll find in a Dell or HP. You're kidding yourself if you think a Mac is built with better components. I'll take Corsair PSU's, Gigabyte MOBO's, ect anyday.

Funny, I don't think you can buy the motherboard in my Mac Pro anywhere, so I'm not sure what's so generic about it. Is it the memory riser cards that make it generic? The hard drive slots?

Do you tune your fans in an acoustic laboratory for an optimal cooling to noise ratio, or do you just buy the biggest, loudest fans you can find? That seems to be the case with most ghetto rigs I see. Walk into someone's room and it sounds like the run up bay at O'Hare International Airport. With the lighting to match.
 
Actually, I've been down the "ghetto hardware" road myself. Built my own PCs, in crappy-looking cases (hence the "ghetto" label), fans blasting in every direction, just to squeeze out a few extra FPS just like you said. I'm done with those days - not worth the time, not worth the hassle, not worth the abysmal resale value, not worth the endless struggle for hardware supremacy and BIOS setting optimization. Not worth it to me. If it's worth it to someone else, good for them. I'm not going to troll their overclocking forums and tell them how stupid their preferences are.

I dumped my homebuilt PC and am never looking back (still use a PC laptop at work though and have WinXP and Win7 in VMware on my Mac for those one or two Windows apps I still use).

The point is many of us here do know exactly what we're talking about - we're not talking from ignorance (unlike many of those on this forum who join simply to rage against Apple and its users).

And I completely agree with you. I don't have time for that either. If I want to game I have my PS3. My point is I'm perfectly happy running Windows, 7 is flawless for me and it is for a lot of people too. It's a choice after all, and whether you choose Apple or Lenovo or Dell or HP doesn't make you an uninformed troll, or poor or cheap (it's a fact that a good Lenovo notebook is about as expensive as a Macbook).

I think I can proudly say I'm not one of those who rage against Apple or it's users (the reason I came here was because I was truly interested in getting a macbook, whether I run Ubuntu or Windows instead of OS X is no one's problem but my own).

Antec cases are beautiful btw.

to get back on topic: yes, this ads are more anti-MS than they are pro-apple and yes, they are a bit misleading but.... they are hilarious.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. I can build a PC for a fraction of the price of a Mac with far superior components. The parts inside your Mac are no different than what you'll find in a Dell or HP. You're kidding yourself if you think a Mac is built with better components. I'll take Corsair PSU's, Gigabyte MOBO's, ect over the generic Mac garbage you fools worship anyday. Then again I'm not a mindless fanboy nibbling on Steve Jobs c#%*.

haha.. You really don't know what your talking about.
 
Beleive it or not, but it is possible to have a quiet computer not owned by apple. You just have to care enough to buy fans that run silently.

I believe it. I just have a hard time believing it factors at all into the equation for most box builders based on my experience. It's not a hobby known for its good design sense. There some I've seen that are remarkable, but of course required many hours of effort - and what is your time worth?

Most look like a child designed them - transparent this and that, flashing lights, pictures of monsters and skulls and other such nonsense.
 
Beleive it or not, but it is possible to have a quiet computer not owned by apple. You just have to care enough to buy fans that run silently.
There are even websites dedicated to this subject.

My 4830 video card is passively cooled and my other tower uses an overclocked AMD IGP. I know a few Mac Pro owners that swear by their Accelero S1. Rev. 2 as well.

I really hate LEDs and cold cathode lighting. I've never had any desire to order such parts.
 
What has Microsoft been doing lately? You serious? Oh, I see. You know nothing about the enterprise computer software market.

Do some reasearch before you make such a statement. The enterprise market is Microsoft's primary focus.

To name a few:
Windows Server and client (in the enterprise)
SQL Server
Exchange
System Center
Web Services, .NET and ASP.NET
Visual Studio

The number of Windows desktop OS licenses sold at retail is less of a concern to how many license sold to OEMs and corporations.

Then why bother opening a retail store then?
 
There are even websites dedicated to this subject.

My 4830 video card is passively cooled and my other tower uses an overclocked AMD IGP. I know a few Mac Pro owners that swear by their Accelero S1. Rev. 2 as well.

I really hate LEDs and cold cathode lighting. I've never had any desire to order such parts.

Alright. I'll relent and nominate you one of the good ones.
 
Beleive it or not, but it is possible to have a quiet computer not owned by apple. You just have to care enough to buy fans that run silently.

I bought my Asus G1s for 1700.00. I had nothing but problems with it. Overheating issues, horrible battery life, and many more. I really didn't game much on there, and there seemed to be a new problem everyday. My roommate thought I was vacuuming my room when my G1 was on, Ha.
 
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