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Apple Tattled on Google to Draw FTC Attention to Similar Kids In-App Purchasing Issue
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Silly. No one *fully* understands these devices. It takes considerable time and background knowledge to even get a strong grasp of one. Should only the children of such rare parents have the use of these devices? Quite a weird idea. I wonder if you people who make these ridiculous proclamations about bad parenting on the internet really understand how you come off?
No where near as bad as parents who use the excuse that they don't understand something as a reason for their bad parenting.
The fact they targeted Apple and not Google is an example of selective enforcement. That is political.
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Classic Apple. Don't bother fixing the issue, instead say "See, they are no better than us!"
They did fix the issue though...
Something Android has for tablets, I can restrict what apps and services my son can use in it. Unfortunately I can't do the same with the smartphone, silly Google has restricted that to tablets
Cable companies should be investigated over the oligarchy they have created. They carve up the country, deciding they won't compete against each other so prices stay up while internet speeds/channel line ups don't improve significantly.
Parents shouldn't be letting a kid play with a $600 phone in the first place, IMO. Beyond that,more parents should give their kids a bike, baseball, football, or take them to a playground before resorting to an iPhone or iPad as a main form of entertainment.
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Classic Apple. Don't bother fixing the issue, instead say "See, they are no better than us!"
Classic Apple. They fixed the issue, and they said "Google should fix the issue as well".
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"Like a hawk" = "from 200 meters distance"
Seriously, good parenting means giving your kids a chance to make mistakes and learn from their mistakes, even if the mistakes are slightly painful, while preventing them from making _really_ painful mistakes. Unfortunately, avoiding _really_ painful mistakes with iOS purchases meant you had to understand really well how purchases and passwords for purchases worked. This has nothing to do with parenting skills, but everything to do with understanding how some complex software works.
I sure didn't. However Apple doesn't need a role to ask questions. They could ask you what you pack your kids for lunch; whether they should is a different story. Maybe where we differ is what we believe to be an out-of-bounds question for this particular matter. I don't think it is given some of the antics that come out whenever these entities are involved in any proceedings.
If it makes you feel any better you got an extra dessert in the prison cafeteria, I'd keep my mouth shut. If we both paid $5 at the restaurant and you got an extra dessert for free I'd be pointing at you to get mine before you blinked a second time.
Are you talking about the profiles thing on tablets? Yah I wonder the same thing, why Google doesn't bring it to phones. There are apps that can accomplish this though, although I've heard that these apps are no longer compatible with Kik Kat.
Then it's a good thing that "bad parenting" had nothing to do with these cases.
(Heck, it didn't even have to involve parents or kids. The situation could've just as easily occurred on an iPad with a freshly downloaded game, that you then passed to your college roommate to play first, not knowing that he could buy addons without asking.)
The basic problem was bad UX design, by having a hidden password timeout mode that activates without giving any warning to the user. That goes for any system that had or has such a default mode.
People had no reason to expect such a timeout. Especially with iOS, they had been trained to expect password challenges all the time. Even down to having to sign in to read EULA updates.
However, I don't think anyone (other than the game companies who took advantage of it) had bad intentions. And certainly the parents are not at fault. Even Apple thought that, since they cheerfully refunded any mistaken purchases by children.
I disagree a little. It has to do with the parents. If I give my child something, I know full well what I'm giving them. That may not be the case with you, but that doesn't absolve parents from all wrong-doing. My kid didn't go crazy with in-app purchases because I knew that they were possible, and I educated him on it before he got to use his iPad.
Your college student letting his roommate borrow his iPad is a valid point (in a way) but parents should be 100% aware of the capabilities of anything that they give their child. Any excuse being made to justify their inability is just that...an excuse.
Second, Apple didn't "cheerfully" refund anything. Not sure why you even said that.
whilst it's a fair point that people were unaware of this 15 minute window of opportunity, the bad parenting comes in the fact that parents weren't aware that the games their kids were playing had in app purchases....if your children are not able to understand that they must not make these purchases then they really shouldn't have access to the device. That's where the parenting comes in.
As a child I had a weekly allowance and although I was allowed to go to the local shop on my own I was very well aware of what I was allowed to spend that money on and what I wasn't....this was down to good parenting, the shop keeper would have sold me anything I liked (that wasn't age restricted obviously) but because my parents had taken the time to teach me not to spend all of it on candy, I didn't.
I dont think Tattled is the right word here... Because this exact thing is done in every single court case.. Court cases are a lot of well this entity was allowed to do this based on this law, so it applies to this case... Or someone convicted of selling drugs they still ask who they got it from to arrest them
they were in a court case about an issue and they pointed out that another company is doing the same thing, so if they are allowed to then apple should be...
I dont see anything saying that apple gave this information to the court and said "if you convict us you must convict them", they just provided information, for all we know Apple could have assumed that the FTC already worked something out with Google, and Apple was expecting the FTC to talk to the department that made the agreement with Google, and speed up the process of determining the action Apple needs to take.
The parents most definitely are at fault... 15 minute window or not (and whether it is documented correctly or not), as a parent you should actually use anything electronic before giving it to your chilod and actually figure out its security and parental controls, not just Assume they work... What if the companies ideas of child protection are not the same as yours?
Really i still dont understand why people are giving these devices to kids anyways... my daughters are not allowed to use our iphone or ipads by themselves ever (so i dont even have parental controls on because im doing the parenting myself - holy cow! unheard of! right?). Parental controls or not, you really trust them with a $500 device that they really dont need to be using at that age?
And if you are going to let your kids have full use of the device, who is stupid enough to be logged in to an AppleID that has payment information linked? I would always make sure i logged out after a purchase or didnt store a credit card with it (there is no reason to anyways).
They tell you not to store credit cards on websites like Amazon for this very reason anyways... and whats to stop these kids from getting on their parents computer, using a saved safari password and saved CC info on Amazon and ordering a bunch of stuff?
Stop relying on other people to parent your kids for you, its not that hard and your kids will grow up to be better people (and a lot smarter)...
Really this makes me realize why they are called "Parental Controls" and not "Child Lock Controls" - they are controls to help with parenting for those to lazy to do it themselves...
It's sad but it is what it is. People like to make excuses for their mistakes rather than being held accountable. It's what the world is beginning. Of course it's the parents fault for not regulating what their kids are doing.
I have never seen anything where Mr. Cook dismisses Android as having negligible impact on the industry. Ever.
Don't call them out. They disappear when you do that
Edit 1hr and 9 minutes later: See what I mean
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Court rulings should be applied uniformly. If Apple is subject to FTC punishments for these practices, then the other companies that are guilty of same practices also should be slapped with similar fines/punishments. Period. Of course the anti-Apple herd expect a free pass for Google here.
Then again, court rulings are NOT applied evenly and equally . probably because the US court system is run by Obama Cronies at the moment. Atty General Eric Holder, such a joke. As if he has any credibility left as AG.
Then again, court rulings are NOT applied evenly and equally . probably because the US court system is run by Obama Cronies at the moment. Atty General Eric Holder, such a joke. As if he has any credibility left as AG.