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Apple teams up with Adobe for iPhone Flash
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That's interesting. I was also thinking of an f-word, but it wasn't that one.
Let me be clear: I hate Flash. Hate it with a vengeance. Hate it with a passion. Hate it with a passionate vengeance. Hate it with a vengeful passion. I want to see it shuffle off this digital coil. I want it to die a fast, painless, non-interactive, non-multimedia death. I want its life to flash before its very eyes if only because I love how apropos that statement is. I want every last bit in its wretched code base to be sucked away into that special kind of digital oblivion that beckons technology that goes from being a simple and incremental improvement to being the favorite crutch of every developer who lacks the creativity and intellectual curiosity to explore ideas other than the most popular or the one that earns them the most points with their company's management. In other words, bring me the head of Adobe Flash. I want to drink wine from its skull at the party where we celebrate its demise.
So yeah, the first word through my head when I saw this news definitely wasn't "finally."
I was thinking how wonderful it would be if Apple managed to launch a major new platform for browsing the Web without that cruft called Flash, and lead the way where our browsers aren't bogged down with proprietary, non-compliant technology that gets in the way and causes more problems than it solves. I was thinking how great it would be if everyone in the tech world realized that success could be achieved without the annoyance of Flash. I was thinking we might be seeing the beginning of the end for this pile of crap technology and that we might just see it fade away.
Finally.
+1 
Flash is the cancerous person you meet in a bar one night who continues to show up at your house for months afterwards despite not telling them where you live asking "Why don't you love me" -Thats why Im pro-choice
Flash is the cancerous person you meet in a bar one night who continues to show up at your house for months afterwards despite not telling them where you live asking "Why don't you love me" -Thats why Im pro-choice
Please tell me you weren't being serious when you wrote that. Was that some kind of subtle, tongue-in-cheek comment that I just didn't get? And please tell me soon so that little part of me that is slowly dying--the part that can't believe our expectations have deteriorated to the point where people accept Flash as a viable and competitive development platform--might make a miraculous recovery.
I realize that a lot of video is delivered though Flash. However it doesn't have to be. Most of the services should be moving things towards using h.264 on the back-end anyway. How hard would it be to check the browser agent and just serve the h.264 from a video service directly if its an iPhone or iPod touch instead of serving the same or lower quality file in a Flash container?
A low quality YouTube video takes up ~70% CPU on my MacBook, and a higher quality h.264 movie playing from iTunes only using ~25% CPU.
I used to work with Flash and Flex and do some AS programming, but Adobe is either too lazy or too stupid to actually get their **** together. Don't even get me started on the fact that Flash/Flex still doesn't recognize scrolling input on Mac yet either.
Thats funny because I've done my fair share of programming AS3 and working in Flex. Frankly I don't care if it is based on ECMAscript 3 because at the end of the day that code is compiled into Adobe's own binary format and ran through their crap plugin that eats up CPU cycles like their is no tomorrow.
Adobe needs to prove they can make something of quality that doesn't eat up exorbitant amounts of CPU, doesn't crash my browser and actually responds to basic system input and then I might think about giving them a chance on the iPhone.
Well I do hope we do get it. It was a shame I could not watch wimbledon on my iphone last year because of the lack of it.
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I hope something does eventually come out though. This is a pretty big area where the iPhone is lacking.
deadsouls said:
I hope something does eventually come out though. This is a pretty big area where the iPhone is lacking.
hard to imagine Flash on the iPhone, Flash can bring a hefty PC system on its knees. Having 100% CPU to play a fricking game or a movie. Not to mention a Flash game site together with Flash advertising on the same page, its murder on my dual G5. Adobe needs to rewrite the RISC code completely and find a way to extract the Flash from a webpage to have a nice user experience.
They can use a button to show how many Flash movies (or advertisements) there are on a page, tapping that would let us scroll in the Flash movies and save for later use.
600 mhz iPhone/Touch is a bit slow, a somewhat bigger tablet iPod with a faster proc would do the job.
They can use a button to show how many Flash movies (or advertisements) there are on a page, tapping that would let us scroll in the Flash movies and save for later use.
600 mhz iPhone/Touch is a bit slow, a somewhat bigger tablet iPod with a faster proc would do the job.
haven't got flash at the moment and i haven't missed it
i really don't see it as a big deal
the other thing, i'm not sure why people are SO obsessed about it either. surely there can't be that many flash videos you want to watch? and if it's because you think flash apps will be all-singing all-dancing, then you're mistaken. why do you think it's taken them so long and why they are now collaborating on making it? their capability on the iphone will be restricted probably beyond the restrictions that are on apps built with the SDK
i really don't see it as a big deal
the other thing, i'm not sure why people are SO obsessed about it either. surely there can't be that many flash videos you want to watch? and if it's because you think flash apps will be all-singing all-dancing, then you're mistaken. why do you think it's taken them so long and why they are now collaborating on making it? their capability on the iphone will be restricted probably beyond the restrictions that are on apps built with the SDK
Don't miss it. Don't need it. Don't want it.
As many have already noted Flash performance on OS X desktop is very poor -- IMHO Adobe needs to fix that first. Then, and only then, they might start winning 'hearts & minds'.
For me, though, it is about open standards as well as aesthetics. Long live open standards
As many have already noted Flash performance on OS X desktop is very poor -- IMHO Adobe needs to fix that first. Then, and only then, they might start winning 'hearts & minds'.
For me, though, it is about open standards as well as aesthetics. Long live open standards
Flash does NOT run excellently on the Mac; I've got a Dual 2GHz G5 with 6Gb RAM it's a completely bloated friggin' resource hog! A couple of Flash ads on a page can easily send Safari soaring to 80%+ CPU usage. It's *****. I've never been so happy since I got ClickToFlash and killed all those irritating Flash ads. Flash is awful, and the development environment for Flash on the Mac is awful too.
To the person who talked about how "all video is viewed on Flash, although that's changing since the iPhone"... wellllllll... you just answered your own question. Why do you think Flash started supporting H.264? Because they can see Flash getting sidelined by a non-proprietary codec.
Personally, I hope Apple is just yanking Adobe's chain, and that they stick to all the great HTML5 things they are building support for into WebKit. Who wants a crappy opaque runtime like SWF, that needs crappy software like Flash to author it, when we could have the same result with Javascript and CSS that anyone can work on with a text editor???
Personally, my dream scenario is that Apple's Sproutcore project turns into a full-blown implementation of the Cocoa APIs in javascript, and then in Xcode you have another little platform target checkbox along with 'PPC' and 'Intel' that says 'Web'. Suddenly you have lightweight, powerful and cross platform application authoring, with Mac OS X the dev platform of choice, leaving overgrown has-beens like Adobe and Microsoft dangling in the wind...
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)
This sounds very exciting if it is true.
Hopefully if the iPhone does get Flash- that it won't get hot or make Safari crash or anything along the lines of that.
But it's hopeful news for us iPhone users.
This sounds very exciting if it is true.
Hopefully if the iPhone does get Flash- that it won't get hot or make Safari crash or anything along the lines of that.
But it's hopeful news for us iPhone users.
One more thing to destroy my battery life, although if this is destined for iphone 3.0 (or 2,1) then they may have made the battery hardware improvements learning from the Macbook Pro 17incher to dramatically improve the iPhone's battery life. In that case I say bring it on!
Sites that use flash extensively for non video purposes suck. Whenever I see a flash based site I think "over produced".
That being said, with a flash plug-in I can play put-put golf game!
That being said, with a flash plug-in I can play put-put golf game!
Sheesh!!!! It's going to be an OPTION on the iPhone/touch. You don't have to use it, so why the &$@$ are all of you haters PMSing over this issue?
The Location Based services option on my touch eats my battery life up as well. But do you know what I do, I disable it!!!!! There's a thought!!!!!!!
When you guys get it into your head that something is "evil", you just won't shut up about it.
The Location Based services option on my touch eats my battery life up as well. But do you know what I do, I disable it!!!!! There's a thought!!!!!!!
When you guys get it into your head that something is "evil", you just won't shut up about it.
Woohoo! This is excellent news! Here's hoping there'll be some form of AIR runtime too, so ad-funded rental video is possible outside the unlicencable hell of Fairplay!
After the problems the BBC have had with doing this - i.e. people stealing the content left, right and centre, I think you can safely assume no other major broadcaster will ever do this. Flash 9 provides a reasonable level of content security.
Phazer
After the problems the BBC have had with doing this - i.e. people stealing the content left, right and centre, I think you can safely assume no other major broadcaster will ever do this. Flash 9 provides a reasonable level of content security.
Phazer