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Apple teams up with Adobe for iPhone Flash
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Are people really that stupid?
Complaining about how flash will cause "poor performance" and "reduced battery life" when the whole point of the article is that Adobe and Apple are working together to create an optimized version of Flash for the iphone!!!
In case you didn't know, optimized in this context is the exact opposite of reduced batter life, and poor performance.
If they dont achieve it, Flash wont be on your phones... If they do, then at least another several thousand useful sites become more accessible to people.
Complaining about how flash will cause "poor performance" and "reduced battery life" when the whole point of the article is that Adobe and Apple are working together to create an optimized version of Flash for the iphone!!!
In case you didn't know, optimized in this context is the exact opposite of reduced batter life, and poor performance.
If they dont achieve it, Flash wont be on your phones... If they do, then at least another several thousand useful sites become more accessible to people.
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
I'm not too keen on having Flash support on my iPod touch...
Here's my reasoning: Most Flash apps, games, and movies do not scale well to this platform, due to screen resolution. (The same argument can be applied to the iPhone.)
Here's my reasoning: Most Flash apps, games, and movies do not scale well to this platform, due to screen resolution. (The same argument can be applied to the iPhone.)
SPUY767
macrumors 68020
Apple doesn't want "lite" they want a feature complete version that doesn't run slow as molasses.
Saladinos
macrumors 68000
Don't forget widespread use of XML and PDFs throughout the system, bundled Apache webserver, widespread use of OpenGL and OpenAL (and soon, OpenCL), expanding support for ZFS, and support for MS Office formats in bundled apps like TextEdit.
Jayomat
macrumors 6502a
gnasher729
Suspended
Agree completely except for the word "painless". 😀
But seriously: There is a power game going on. Flash is strong in the computer market. The MacOS X version is weak, which puts Apple at a disadvantage, but Adobe has no intention of fixing this. On the other hand, the iPhone is the leader in its market, and not having Flash on the iPhone puts Adobe at a disadvantage - web developers aiming at mobile devices quickly learn how to live without Flash so that things work on the iPhone. And Apple has no intention of fixing this.
I'd say the biggest technical obstacle for Flash on the iPhone is the low quality of Flash for MacOS X. And until that is fixed, I'll take any press release from Adobe as wishful thinking.
eRondeau
macrumors 65816
I wish Adobe would "optimize" it for my new iMac first. It is by any standard an amazingly powerful computer, until a colorful little Flash banner on the top of my local newspaper's website brings it crashing to its knees. Does Flash know how to use multi-touch? Does Flash know how to read accelerometers? Does Flash know "play nice" with the iPhone's other features? Probably not.
In my experience, Adobe Flash is the worst computer software not developed by Microsoft and our world will be a better place when it is eventually replaced by something much better. Let's hope Apple's skunkworks think the same.
In my experience, Adobe Flash is the worst computer software not developed by Microsoft and our world will be a better place when it is eventually replaced by something much better. Let's hope Apple's skunkworks think the same.
Haha yeah same for me! My MacBook fans sounds like jet-engines when watching youtube movies, at first i thought something was wrong with the computer but it only happens on flash objects so...
If they release flash for the iPhone a lot of people will get there hands burned that's for sure!
techfreak85
macrumors 68040
0098386
Suspended
I'm with you. I hope there's a way to completely disable it, or at least have some kind of allow list so I can watch TV and video streaming flash sites.
Flash adverts, flash games, good god no.
0098386
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Flash is just a player there, the Macbook would be running a H.264 video AND Flash.
Also, how old is that MB? I've been watching DVDs and YT vids on my unibody MB without the fans kicking in.
hobbbz
macrumors 6502a
=MuLti-CeLL=
macrumors 6502a
This from 9to5mac.com
"Bloomberg reported this weekend that Adobe Engineers are working diligently on getting Flash down to an acceptable level of power usage and performance to work on the iPhone/iPod touch architecture. The bad news? Don't expect this technology to become available in the first half of 2009. According to Adobe's press release on the matter:
The joint technology optimization is targeted for the ARMv6 and ARMv7architectures used in the ARM11 family and the Cortex-A series of processors and is expected to be available in the second half of 2009. The partnership stems from the Open Screen Project, a broad Adobe sponsored initiative of industry leaders - including ARM - to deliver a consistent runtime environment across multiple devices by taking advantage of Adobe Flash Player and, in the future, Adobe AIR. The initiative is set to address the challenges of Web browsing on a broad range of screens, and remove the barriers to publish content and applications seamlessly across screens. For more information, visit www.openscreenproject.org .
By the second half of 2009, the iPhone 3.0 Operating System will be around. So will new iPhone ARM Cortex A(8?) series hardware that will likely be able to handle the intensive CPU requirements that Flash takes to perform well. Will Apple back port it to older hardware? Perhaps but it is unclear how it will perform."
So new iPhone announced in June, released in July? Hence the "second" half of 2009? 😀
Not so sure I'm THAT excited for Flash but who knows, if we see a new more powerful phone this summer it may not be that bad.
And I'm with the others as far as wanting that on/off toggle switch. That would be key.
"Bloomberg reported this weekend that Adobe Engineers are working diligently on getting Flash down to an acceptable level of power usage and performance to work on the iPhone/iPod touch architecture. The bad news? Don't expect this technology to become available in the first half of 2009. According to Adobe's press release on the matter:
The joint technology optimization is targeted for the ARMv6 and ARMv7architectures used in the ARM11 family and the Cortex-A series of processors and is expected to be available in the second half of 2009. The partnership stems from the Open Screen Project, a broad Adobe sponsored initiative of industry leaders - including ARM - to deliver a consistent runtime environment across multiple devices by taking advantage of Adobe Flash Player and, in the future, Adobe AIR. The initiative is set to address the challenges of Web browsing on a broad range of screens, and remove the barriers to publish content and applications seamlessly across screens. For more information, visit www.openscreenproject.org .
By the second half of 2009, the iPhone 3.0 Operating System will be around. So will new iPhone ARM Cortex A(8?) series hardware that will likely be able to handle the intensive CPU requirements that Flash takes to perform well. Will Apple back port it to older hardware? Perhaps but it is unclear how it will perform."
So new iPhone announced in June, released in July? Hence the "second" half of 2009? 😀
Not so sure I'm THAT excited for Flash but who knows, if we see a new more powerful phone this summer it may not be that bad.
And I'm with the others as far as wanting that on/off toggle switch. That would be key.
=MuLti-CeLL=
macrumors 6502a
Not quite sure what you meant by that but...yea...anything involving her will be fine with me! 😱
😀
Btw, who is that?
branjosef
macrumors 6502a
daihard
macrumors 6502a
Agreed. I'd definitely want an ON/OFF switch if I were to accept Flash on my iPhone. I'd also want the Flash runtime to be as small as possible.
kas23
macrumors 603
kas23
macrumors 603
You are so wrong (and are probably going to go to hell for it). Isn't that Leryn Franco, Olympic javelin/model from Paraguay:
Update: Oopps, I'm wrong! But, I'm not going to hell since I introduced another hot girl to a boring thread.
Girl is Allison Stokke, freshman polevaulter at Berkeley:
To me, it seems that the timing is excellent. The app store has already been established as a great solution. Now, Flash can exist in Safari without filling the gap. If you want to develop a free app, you'd have better performance and access to the hardware (accelerometer, etc.) via the App Store and you can still "sell" you app for free. And the cost to joint the dev program is less than what it costs to buy Flash. For those that want to make money off of their work, the App Store will still be the only option.
2) When Apple updates the iPhone hardware, app-store programs will continue to work, so people go out and buy the new phone. But if flash-programs become popular, it's probable that many flash programs won't work perfectly on new hardware without a re-write. You know how a new Mac OS comes out and many people won't update until the new Phtoshop/Word/whatever comes out? That doesn't happen with the iPhone right now. If flash-programs become popular, watch and see that "I'll buy it later" philosophy come to new iPhone launches.
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Do you have the same though whenever you update your web browser? Flash is a piece of software that runs on your computer, in coincidence with your browser. That won't magically change because its on the iPhone. At least in the case of desktop iterations, the Flash plugin isn't picky about what hardware its installed on and its designed to run consistently on all hardware. That's why its so reliable in terms of reproducing the same animations and interfaces for all customers.
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
kastenbrust
macrumors 68030
Its fairly obvious why flash doesn't run well on the iphone, it maxes out CPU's on the Macbook and Macbook Pro, and most other computers running OS X, and the iphone runs a cut down version of OS X, so if OS X struggles to run flash on proper computer I can see why Apple need a faster version for the iphone. That said I really dont want my phone freezing up and the CPU maxing out every time a get an advert for viagra pop up when browsing a forum or website, so hopefully Apple will have the intelligence to include a disable feature. I've got a feeling due to afore mentioned things this Flash update would only be available on a new model, more powerful iphone, probably coming out after WWDC (June) if there is going to be one this year.