Apple Teases M4 Mac Announcements Next Week

[H_D]

WOW! And I thought I keep my computers for a long time. IMPRESSIVE!

I still have three iMacs from 13/14 around, which I should find the time to sell on eBay or something. Upgraded them with faster SSD instead of fusion, but they cannot compete with AS anymore. Still, for 10-years old machines, they still are very much okay when compared with Wintels.

 

[pksv]

The Mac Mini does not, nor does the Mac Studio that I use.

So faceID will solve that? Will it be built into their chassis? C'mon man, your doubling down on a stupid argument.

Yes tehy are speculating. But you are acting as if a rule that they must upgrade the design every 4 iterations. They are updating at a faster cadence than usual due to the more consistent chip cycles.

I agree with their speculation, it makes sense to delay the redesign to when the oled screens are ready. What is the redesign without it? A thinner laptop with possibly worse battery life? They may need OLED to offset battery impact either in battery life or as a trade off worth having. In any event, they wouldnt want to change all tooling between 2025 and 2026 to account for different displays with different dimensions and requirements.

Perhaps they solve this issue by not releasing a pro in 2025 but early 2026 when the oleds are ready.

But as someone else asked you, what are you actually looking for in a chassis redesign? Because its probably going to be thinner and maybe change ports which may not be beneficial.

I'm not "acting", it's just a pure fact that they upgrade chassis every 4 iterations. This rumor about delays in OLED for MBPs appeared at the end of 2023 and then... in April Apple presented iPad Pros with such tandem OLED. I don't see why there would be problems with delivering these screens to MBP in 2025, they still have a whole year. If they want to, they will do it.

I already answered the question about the chassis. I want a lighter one and also hope for a new keyboard.

 

[nathansz]

The MBP speakers are amazing for a laptop. Well worth it if one ever watches movies or listens to music on the MBP. Even podcasts sound better. That said, I would love having a number pad on the MBP and would take a slight degradation of speaker quality to get it.

I agree that the speakers are indeed pretty impressive for a laptop

I only need speakers at my desk at home and I've got studio monitors there

so for me they are completely pointless

it would be great to have an option between big speakers or full keyboard

obviously that's not how apple does things

 

[pbasmadj]

No MacBook Air rumors on this event?

 

[ryanmp]

No MacBook Air rumors on this event?

Can never know for sure, but all indications point to M4 MacBook Air's in 2025

I still have three iMacs from 13/14 around, which I should find the time to sell on eBay or something. Upgraded them with faster SSD instead of fusion, but they cannot compete with AS anymore. Still, for 10-years old machines, they still are very much okay when compared with Wintels.

Late 2014 27" iMac for me, still works fine. I don't use as much these days, mostly using my Apple Silicon MacBook Air.

Since 2014, I've been through a new Windows work PC about every 2/3 years, mainly due to technical issues.

 

[Zdigital2015]

I agree that the speakers are indeed pretty impressive for a laptop

I only need speakers at my desk at home and I've got studio monitors there

so for me they are completely pointless

it would be great to have an option between big speakers or full keyboard

obviously that's not how apple does things

You would be hard pressed to find ANY laptop manufacturer that has a full keyboard or big speakers BTO option. Literally, this is an option that less than 1% of users would ever even consider. 99% of laptop users are going to want those speakers and will use an external keyboard if they need a numbers pad.

 

[nathansz]

You would be hard pressed to find ANY laptop manufacturer that has a full keyboard or big speakers BTO option. Literally, this is an option that less than 1% of users would ever even consider. 99% of laptop users are going to want those speakers and will use an external keyboard if they need a numbers pad.

Costco for like $500
if Costco is selling them I'm pretty sure they move a decent amount

I think you may be vastly underestimating how many people use laptops for accounting and other data entry

 

[Chuckeee]

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Costco for like $500
if Costco is selling them I'm pretty sure they move a decent amount

I think you may be vastly underestimating how many people use laptops for accounting and other data entry

Ugh, HP. Don’t get me started on issues with hp junk

 

[nathansz]

Ugh, HP. Don’t get me started on issues with hp junk.

I'm certainly not shilling for hp. Just pointing out that laptops with number pads are more common than another poster seems to believe.

Incidentally though, this machine is inexpensive and serves its purpose just fine.

 

[chucker23n1]

You would be hard pressed to find ANY laptop manufacturer that has a full keyboard

Eh, those do exist.

But I never saw the appeal. It makes the trackpad align very weirdly either with the space bar, or with the laptop as a whole. Like, where are you supposed to put your palms? If you put them on the edges of the space bar, that means your arms are off to the left. Or you align them with the center, in which case operating both the keyboard and the trackpad is at an awkward angle.

Ugh, HP. Don’t get me started on issues with hp junk

Yep.

 

[uczcret]

32” iMac please, available in Space Gray and Space black with razor thin bezels and no chin. If there must be a chin, place a damn Apple logo on it! Pro version? OLED, or at the very least, miniLED.

It’s been said many times before, but the Pro Display XDR is roughly £/$5,000. It’s all pure speculation but an iMac with a similar display, Mx Pro/Max chip, speakers, webcam and keyboard/mouse would most probably be priced way out of people’s budgets.

Speculation aside, Apple did something they pretty much never do- they confirmed last year a bigger iMac is not coming. That is as good a confirmation as it gets.

 

[chucker23n1]

It’s been said many times before, but the Pro Display XDR is roughly £/$5,000. It’s all pure speculation but an iMac with a similar display, Mx Pro/Max chip, speakers, webcam and keyboard/mouse would most probably be priced way out of people’s budgets.

I wouldn't base it too much on that. The Pro Display XDR targets a different audience.

The 27-inch iMac, when it still existed, was $1,799 for computer + display. Thus, a 32-inch iMac isn't gonna be $5,000.

 

[Kendo]

I wouldn't base it too much on that. The Pro Display XDR targets a different audience.

The 27-inch iMac, when it still existed, was $1,799 for computer + display. Thus, a 32-inch iMac isn't gonna be $5,000.

I think what he is getting at is that the base iMac goes for $1,299 and includes a 24" 4.5k screen along with accessories like a keyboard and mouse.

The Studio Display goes for $1,599 and has a 27" 5k screen but no computer.

The Pro Display XDR goes for $4,999 and has a 32" 6k screen but no computer.

For Apple to even consider releasing a 32" iMac would mean it would cost more than $4,999 in order to add a computer into the Pro Display XDR. Even a 27" iMac will likely cost $1,999 based on Studio Display pricing. As we know, the price point Apple wants for a base iMac is around the $1,299 mark. So it doesn't look like we are going to expect a 27" iMac anytime soon and a 32" iMac will NEVER happen.

 

[chucker23n1]

I think what he is getting at is that the base iMac goes for $1,299 and includes a 24" 4.5k screen along with accessories like a keyboard and mouse.

The Studio Display goes for $1,599 and has a 27" 5k screen but no computer.

But, again, the 27-inch iMac went for $1,799, had the same panel as the Studio Display, and included a computer.

For Apple to even consider releasing a 32" iMac would mean it would cost more than $4,999 in order to add a computer into the Pro Display XDR.

I don't see why. You also have to consider that the Pro Display XDR is five years old.

Even a 27" iMac will likely cost $1,999 based on Studio Display pricing.

Yes, maybe, but then you're still talking a weird $3,000 gap for five more inches. Why?

The Pro Display XDR is $4,999 because it's the Pro Display XDR, not because it costs them $4k to produce.

 

[uczcret]

I wouldn't base it too much on that. The Pro Display XDR targets a different audience.

The 27-inch iMac, when it still existed, was $1,799 for computer + display. Thus, a 32-inch iMac isn't gonna be $5,000.

It may not be $5,000, but 32” 6K Retina displays are not exactly mainstream. Dell’s one is $3,200. I just can’t help but feel that the iMac fans asking for a bigger one are hung up on that $1,799 price tag are going to be very disappointed if a bigger iMac does materialise. (Studio Display at $1,599 anyone?)

 

[chucker23n1]

It may not be $5,000, but 32” 6K Retina displays are not exactly mainstream. Dell’s one is $3,200. I just can’t help but feel that the iMac fans asking for a bigger one are hung up on that $1,799 price tag are going to be very disappointed if a bigger iMac does materialise (Studio Display at $1,499 anyone?).

This is true, although sometimes it takes a big company to make something mainstream.

But regardless, I don't know that a big iMac is coming; I'm guessing no. I think some people here are overestimating the potential market segment. Desktops as a whole are a small segment, all-in-one desktops even smaller, and especially high-end all-in-one desktops. If I were John Ternus, I'd wonder "should we do a third laptop line?" long before "should we do another screen size for our already four desktop lines, even though desktops sell a tenth as much as laptops?".

 

[Zdigital2015]

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Costco for like $500
if Costco is selling them I'm pretty sure they move a decent amount

I think you may be vastly underestimating how many people use laptops for accounting and other data entry

No, I took your argument as an either/or instead of - “Give me a BTO option for a full keyboard and num pad with mediocre speakers” or “Give me the compact keyboard without num pad with really good speakers”.

I too work enough with a Number Pad enough to want that as a BTO option, but with good speakers…I don’t think I can compromise on having decent speaker quality on the go.

You’re quite right that Windows laptops have had these extended keyboard for quite a while, mostly with 15”+ laptop sizes. Apple likes symmetrical and I’m sure the one poor soul who suggested a numeric keypad during his design interview with the portables team at Apple regrets ever mentioning it.

You’re right, it’s just not in Apple’s DNA. Never will be. Whether it could be done and look right doesn’t seem to matter. There are just things that one accepts about how Apple thinks or doesn’t and moves on.

 

[nathansz]

No, I took your argument as an either/or instead of - “Give me a BTO option for a full keyboard and num pad with mediocre speakers” or “Give me the compact keyboard without num pad with really good speakers”.

I too work enough with a Number Pad enough to want that as a BTO option, but with good speakers…I don’t think I can compromise on having decent speaker quality on the go.

You’re quite right that Windows laptops have had these extended keyboard for quite a while, mostly with 15”+ laptop sizes. Apple likes symmetrical and I’m sure the one poor soul who suggested a numeric keypad during his design interview with the portables team at Apple regrets ever mentioning it.

You’re right, it’s just not in Apple’s DNA. Never will be. Whether it could be done and look right doesn’t seem to matter. There are just things that one accepts about how Apple thinks or doesn’t and moves on.

I’m sensing we basically agree but are misunderstanding each other

The difference being I don’t give an f about speakers at all

I also don’t need a high quality camera on my phone but that’s an entirely different issue

 

[Wyvernspirit]

So faceID will solve that? Will it be built into their chassis? C'mon man, your doubling down on a stupid argument.

I'm not "acting", it's just a pure fact that they upgrade chassis every 4 iterations. This rumor about delays in OLED for MBPs appeared at the end of 2023 and then... in April Apple presented iPad Pros with such tandem OLED. I don't see why there would be problems with delivering these screens to MBP in 2025, they still have a whole year. If they want to, they will do it.

I already answered the question about the chassis. I want a lighter one and also hope for a new keyboard.

No, I am saying that face ID or touch ID would require additional hardware. Also, Touch ID requires an additional step of taping the touch ID sensor, when I can just use my watch, I already have that logs in with NO additional steps, my computer just opens for me.

 

[9081094]

Why is Apple going to re-unveil the laptops that were already unveiled by the Russians?

It’s just a press release this time and don’t expect more than a chip swap.

 

[9081094]

I really hope we don't have to wait until the end of next week to find out if they've finally done away with the ridiculous charging port on the mouse. Given it will likely be the smallest of the products updated - with at very least USB-C, I suspect that will come last in the announcements - or maybe it'll come at the same time as the Mac mini?

You know the saying… the best is for last. But hearing the rumors about what will come… the usb-c mouse might be the greatest update and steal the show… it only took them about 10 years and hundreds of dedicated engineers to make this happen 🤑

 

[lcseds]

You know the saying… the best is for last. But hearing the rumors about what will come… the usb-c mouse might be the greatest update and steal the show… it only took them about 10 years and hundreds of dedicated engineers to make this happen 🤑

That's because Jony Ive's designs are timeless.

 

[bart4u]

Apple's Greg Joswiak today made it clear that Apple plans to reveal new products next week, teasing refreshed Macs. In a social media post, Joswiak said to "Mac your calendars" because there's an exciting week of announcements that start on Monday morning.

With Joswiak's announcement, it appears that there will not be a dedicated October event for Macs this year, with Apple instead introducing new products via press release. Monday will see the launch of the iOS 18.1, iPadOS 18.1, and macOS Sequoia 15.1 software updates, but new Mac announcements could also start on Monday. In prior years, Apple has done a launch-per-day release schedule for new products when there wasn't an event planned.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849484363165213148

Rumors and multiple MacBook Pro leaks indicate that Apple is ready to unveil the first M4 Macs. We are expecting new models of the Mac mini, iMac, and MacBook Pro.

The iMac, entry-level Mac mini, and entry-level MacBook Pro will all include the M4 chip, which we actually already got earlier this year in the iPad Pro models. Higher-end MacBook Pro models will use M4 Pro and M4 Max chips, while the Mac mini will also get the M4 Pro.

We aren't expecting design changes for the iMac or MacBook Pro, but the Mac mini is rumored to be smaller, closer in size to the Apple TV. With the decrease in size, it could be a bit thicker. For all entry-level models, rumors suggest RAM is going to start at 16GB instead of 8GB, providing better performance for Apple Intelligence features.

Whatever comes next week, we'll have full coverage of the new announcements at MacRumors.com.

Article Link: Apple Teases M4 Mac Announcements Next Week

I never understood the Mini with the Mac Studio is small and portable.

 

[Sowelu]

It’s been said many times before, but the Pro Display XDR is roughly £/$5,000. It’s all pure speculation but an iMac with a similar display, Mx Pro/Max chip, speakers, webcam and keyboard/mouse would most probably be priced way out of people’s budgets.

Speculation aside, Apple did something they pretty much never do- they confirmed last year a bigger iMac is not coming. That is as good a confirmation as it gets.

I was hoping they'd find a way to make a larger iMac with a dark finish and at least a miniLED display for a reasonable (for Apple) price without having to go full-on 'Pro', but yeah, I forgot that they mentioned that.

 

[Christopher Kim]

Re: larger iMac, alas, I think pre-Apple Silicon days, the 27” iMac was just an absolutely incredible value proposition, given the screen you got (and the fact that it was many years ago when a 27” 5K screen was even more expensive than it is today). While many people wish Apple would bring back such an amazing value-deal, I agree it’s very unlikely to happen…

Now that Apple released the Mac Studio, which hits the higher-powered user that wants a desktop, feels more likely that the iMac is meant to be the lower-powered “all-in-one for a family computer / kitchen / shared office” than for the pro-user/prosumer.