Apple Temporarily Closes All California Stores as Virus Cases Rise [Updated]

[QCassidy352]

Funny thing about the truth ... truth doesn't change. Every facet of the Wuhan Flu has gone through a series of illogical changes. If lockdowns work, if masks work; then why is there a spike? Why is the annual rate of influenza, which we have records of dating more than 50 years, nearly zero? Why has the CDC said that ~6% of the reported Covid Deaths are people who died FROM COVID, rather than had COVID as a contributing factor? If you have cancer, heart disease, pulmonary failure, emphysema, uncontrolled diabetes - COVID isn't going to help.

But, as the CDC states that the average life expectancy in the US is 78.6 years, and has remained unchanged for the past several years; and the average death from COVID is over 80 years of age (even with Comorbidites, as listed previously) - why are we locking down?

Logically, Texas, South Dakota and Florida should be leading the USA for Covid deaths and infections - they aren't. Sweden never did lock down, they should all be dead - they aren't.

Barnum is quoted as "You can fool some of the people some of the time", obviously never was aquatinted with pushing a non-existent pandemic. "15 weeks to Flatten the Curve; now in month 9"

Same tired old science-denying nonsense as 3000 Americans per day are dying. It’s exhausting and infuriating that people would rather defend a political position than acknowledge reality.

Just two brief points, and then I really don’t have the energy to deal with people who are willfully blind. 1) look at excess deaths per year.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

If it’s not covid then it’s... ?
2) if you were going into a covid ward, you’d 100% wear a mask.

 

[Baymowe335]

NY Times: Why California Sent Ventilators to New York...
You're welcome, btw. 👍



SoCal native here. No, CA was doing great until the state turbo re-opened back in May.

However, when Newsom fired asked for the resignation of the state public health director, I think everyone knew we were in trouble with data on a statewide level.

Local and county governance (e.g., LA city and county) continues to do a really good job at contact tracing, testing, etc. Our nearest county, Orange (think: The "Florida" of California), continued to flaunt public health guidance (looking at you HB!). Orange's rates are almost parity with LA County now, it's bad getting worse by the day.

I think by now everyone in CA knows about the French Laundry snafu so that hasn't helped his image at all.



You're kidding, right? Like, really?

So, your answer was to stay locked up for all of 2020 and beyond until vaccine is widely distributed? Seriously? Lol...OK...glad you weren’t in charge.

Desantis should be running California too...what a joke of a state without a clue. Florida is practically fully open and is comparable with the numbers in California. Lockdowns aren’t working and you’re literally killing people with them.

 

[Baymowe335]

You keep saying that the publicized numbers are wrong, yet you refuse to tell us what numbers are right. Why?

The publicized numbers are not publicized in many countries and are fudged in America. Covid deaths are objectively overstated. If the CDC says 3 other conditions are present for 94% of all deaths, you can’t tell me every one of those was directly Covid, PARTICULARLY when 40% of deaths are people who have literally lived their entire life expectancy.

Ive personally seen how death certificates are done (family close to that business). VERY subjective and you can put anything on a death certificate. Also know that when An old person dies, it’s very gray what actually killed them...and if the time is spent to figure out exactly why. 85 years old and Covid positive...and we get a couple grand? Eh, Covid.

 

[ozziegn]

So, your answer was to stay locked up for all of 2020 and beyond until vaccine is widely distributed? Seriously? Lol...OK...glad you weren’t in charge.

Desantis should be running California too...what a joke of a state without a clue. Florida is practically fully open and is comparable with the numbers in California. Lockdowns aren’t working and you’re literally killing people with them.

Not only that but look at how many businesses have closed down no thanks to their lockdowns. It's freaking insane! Those idiot dictators in California have caused sooooo many businesses to fail no thanks to their irrational ways of doing things. Their brilliant ideas have called for several lockdowns and for what? Tons of businesses closed for good. Tons and tons of people without jobs while being on the verge of losing their homes and everything else. And for what? Their advertised COVID numbers haven't gone down, even with their lockdowns.

This is where I praise Elon Musk for basically telling the governor of California to piss off. I'm glad Musk decided to move his plant from California to Texas. That'll be a sh*t-ton less taxes his business will have to pay those moron dictators in that God aweful run state.

 

[eatrains]

So, your answer was to stay locked up for all of 2020 and beyond until vaccine is widely distributed? Seriously? Lol...OK...glad you weren’t in charge.

Desantis should be running California too...what a joke of a state without a clue. Florida is practically fully open and is comparable with the numbers in California. Lockdowns aren’t working and you’re literally killing people with them.

What? Florida has twice the death rate as California.

 

[patent10021]

Ooooh the evil virus. Good thing the pharma corps and govts are rolling out the global menus of vaccine concoctions with 10% efficacy. Not sure what we'd do without them. I'm lining up right now while posting on my phone because I'm such an eager beaver.

 

[eatrains]

The publicized numbers are not publicized in many countries and are fudged in America. Covid deaths are objectively overstated. If the CDC says 3 other conditions are present for 94% of all deaths, you can’t tell me every one of those was directly Covid, PARTICULARLY when 40% of deaths are people who have literally lived their entire life expectancy.

Ive personally seen how death certificates are done (family close to that business). VERY subjective and you can put anything on a death certificate. Also know that when An old person dies, it’s very gray what actually killed them...and if the time is spent to figure out exactly why. 85 years old and Covid positive...and we get a couple grand? Eh, Covid.

You’re still refusing to tell us what the correct numbers are.

 

[Hastings101]

I don’t really see the point in this anymore unless so many staff have to quarantine that stores need to close.

While I am a heavy believer in masks and think the data undeniably shows their effectiveness in reducing spread and viral load (just look at Sweden vs Denmark deaths) and think EVERYONE should be required to wear them in public or face legal consequence, I am a lockdown skeptic. Maybe at the beginning when “flattening the curve” was a realistic goal to enable a better medical response and allow for more preparation, but at this point the economic damage of lockdowns is ruining more lives than COVID.

The amount of businesses where I live that have closed permanently is sickening and the damage caused by school closures to kids is something that can never be undone. Maybe in wealthier parts of the country/world it’s not a big deal if public schools are shut down. Here in the Midwestern US it’s a disaster, schools are the only place where some students have access to the internet, electricity, and sometimes even running water and food. Education is the only way out of that kind of hard life and remote learning is just not working.

 

[ozziegn]

What? Florida has twice the death rate as California.

I don't go by advertised numbers but I will for argumentative sake. Google "covid death rate in California" and "covid death rate in Florida" and see which state has higher death rates. One state is ruled by power-hungry nazi politicians and the other state is pretty much back to normal (all things considered).

So in this case if we're going by advertised numbers, seems like FL is doing something right while CA is definitely doing something wrong. One state has major lockdowns in place while the other is almost back to normal.

 

[317342]

Florida is practically fully open and is comparable with the numbers in California.

Yeah, FL's numbers....about that.

Lockdowns aren’t working and you’re literally killing people with them.

Thank you, Putin! 🇷🇺

 

[eatrains]

I don't go by advertised numbers but I will for argumentative sake. Google "covid death rate in California" and "covid death rate in Florida" and see which state has higher death rates. One state is ruled by power-hungry nazi politicians and the other state is pretty much back to normal (all things considered).

So in this case if we're going by advertised numbers, seems like FL is doing something right while CA is definitely doing something wrong. One state has major lockdowns in place while the other is almost back to normal.

The numbers say California has had 55 deaths per 100,000, Florida 95. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsper100k

Is the reason you don’t go by “advertised” numbers that they disprove your point?

 

[sw1tcher]

This is where I praise Elon Musk for basically telling the governor of California to piss off. I'm glad Musk decided to move his plant from California to Texas. That'll be a sh*t-ton less taxes his business will have to pay those moron dictators in that God aweful run state.

Just like you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to Covid-19, you have no idea about who/what moved to Texas.

Musk didn't "move his plant from California to Texas" unless you're referring to his cactus, geranium, or fern. Tesla and SpaceX headquarters are still located in California, and the Tesla factory is still in Fremont, California.

It's Musk himself who is personally moving to Texas because that's where he's been spending a lot of time lately since (1) Tesla's building their Cybertruck manufacturing plant there and (2) he's overseeing SpaceX's development of their Starship. Why live in California when you're spending a huge majority of your time in Texas?

Let me guess, you believed Musk (and Trump) when they said that Covid-19 cases would be close to zero by end of April. 🤣

 

[317342]

One state is ruled by power-hungry nazi politicians and the other state is pretty much back to normal (all things considered).

Umm....no, no they're not back to normal. (spoiler: uncontrolled)

Also, Nazis aren't exactly a California "thing" but raiding the home of a whistleblower might be.

So in this case if we're going by advertised numbers, seems like FL is doing something right and CA is definitely doing something wrong. One state has major lockdowns in place while the other is almost back to normal.

Dude, you need to math...

FL has approximately 21.4 million people for the entire state, right?
CA is 39.2 million people, approximately 46% larger (by pop) than FL.

Los Angeles County alone is over 10.03 million people.
(For perspective, the entire state of Arizona is approx. 7.2 million, New México is 2 million, Nevada is 3 million, New York 19.7 million, etc.)

So, just one (1) county in CA is nearly 47% of the entire state of FL.

FL, for example, has been called out time after time after time again by local media for [grossly] underreporting their COVID-19 infection rates, going as far as raiding the home of a whistleblower.

Spoiler: We're over 17+ million infected and over 300k+ dead in the US, and getting worse by day.

 

[Karma*Police]

The numbers say California has had 55 deaths per 100,000, Florida 95. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsper100k

Is the reason you don’t go by “advertised” numbers that they disprove your point?

Considering FL is where a lot of old people go to retire, and Covid fatalities are significantly higher amongst the elderly, my guess is that difference in age demographics has a lot to do with the disparity. After all, according to those stats, NJ and NY both have a higher rate than GA, even though GA opened up its economy 3 months earlier, and still has no mask mandate. If lockdowns and masks were 100% effective as some vehemently claim, then GA should be FAR worse off, without exceptions.

 

[dannyyankou]

NY Times: Why California Sent Ventilators to New York...
You're welcome, btw. 👍

And we didn't need all of them because we bent the curve quickly. And Apple Stores are still open.

 

[Analog Kid]

California vs Dakotas? Really? California has the population of ENTIRE COUNTRIES!!! The Dakotas, all spread out and rural, is the population of some cities in California. It's about population. COVID spreads exponentially. The more people you have, clustered together, the faster it will grow.

FWIW, while CA has the most cases in the nation, by far, it has the same number of daily deaths as Texas and Florida, who have 1/3 the number of cases. So sure, we have record cases, but people in TX and FL are dying with much higher frequency.

Uh, maybe read what I said again:

It's a totally different situation in the Dakotas,

I feel like you're violently agreeing with me?

In cases only, not deaths.

I hope that continues to be true, but I can't think of a reason California would follow a different pattern than anywhere else. Infection precedes positive tests, test precede hospitalization, hospitalization precedes death, death takes time to report. There are weeks between spread in the population and when it shows up in the mortality statistics. That's why I think using ICU capacity as the trigger for lockdown was the wrong metric.

California is seeing a massive rise in cases (third worst in the US) and a catastrophic shortage of ICU beds (3% available statewide, 0% in LA county). 2 people an hour are dying of Covid in LA already. It's going to be bad. Will it chart in the top 10 per capita? I hope not. But, as you say, it's a populous state and that much death is a tragedy.

This isn't a matter of pride of place. It's not a competition between states. By any objective measure, what's happening right now in California is bad. Per capita deaths are higher in other places right now, but that isn't a good thing. My point is just that California seemed to have a lid on this, and they blew it over the last 6 weeks or so. They're not uniquely bad in managing this, but they had been remarkably good and now they aren't.

 

[mcdawg]

A of whole lot of unexpected bodies. Call them COVID cases or not, all you need are deaths per week in relation to the previous 4 years. Worse mortality in some states versus others, but when the ICUs are full, you start digging the mass graves.

Oh my gosh, I know! Hospitals are so overwhelmed that people are now getting treated in tents!

Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents

Across the country, medical centers are taking extraordinary measures.

time.com

Oh, wait, that was actually 3 years ago, during the last bad flu season.

"Body bags!"!
"Refrigerated cadaver trucks!"
"Mass graves!"
"Flatten the curve" was nine months ago! How long can these absurd people really continue to cower in fear of a virus society can't run from, and which almost certainly poses you almost no mortal threat? Can you still possibly believe that it's a remotely sane solution to further destroy livelihoods, isolate and dehumanize people, cause skyrocketing depression and overdoses, render schooling an absolute joke with "remote learning" for millions of children, surrender every fundamental liberty to government bureaucrats... and oh yes, of course, bankrupt hospitals and medical practices in the process?

Opinion | Sending Hospitals Into Bankruptcy

The lockdowns are doing great unintended harm to medical providers.

www.wsj.com

(And how could this be, you might wonder, when the doctors and nurses are just so overwhelmed? Because millions of people have been forced to delay and forgo their life-improving and life-extended medical treatments and procedures because of the never ending lockdowns.)

But oh, "the numbers are up!" Time to stir up the panic again!

"Body bags!"
"Refrigerator cadaver trucks!"
"Mass graves!"

Can the people still pushing this insanity actually have this little sanity or shame?
Ohhh yeah.

So Apple, close those stores again, unless you want grandma to die! Sure, it may be December 2020, 9 months into the two-week "Flatten the curve!", but believe us this time. Now we got a vaccine! Oh, except, just because you got their vaccine, "Doesn’t Mean You Should be Traveling or That You’re Liberated From Masks".

MSNBC’s Dr. Gupta: Just Because You Get Vaccinated Doesn’t Mean You Should be Traveling or That You’re Liberated From Masks (VIDEO) - Conservative News Outlet

It was never about a virus. MSNBC’s Dr. Vin Gupta on Tuesday said that just because you’ve been vaccinated doesn’t mean you’re allowed to travel or walk around without a face mask on. President Trump launched “Operation Warp Speed” earlier this year in an effort to produce a safe and effective...

newsla.localad.com

But. of. course.
This isn't about health one bit - this is patently about the desire to control people. [Bleep] off, fear peddling tyrants.

 

[mcdawg]

Crickets

That'd be an improvement, yes.

 

[Herrpod]

Ooooh the evil virus. Good thing the pharma corps and govts are rolling out the global menus of vaccine concoctions with 10% efficacy. Not sure what we'd do without them. I'm lining up right now while posting on my phone because I'm such an eager beaver.

It’s 90 percent efficacy, genius.

 

[eatrains]

Considering FL is where a lot of old people go to retire, and Covid fatalities are significantly higher amongst the elderly, my guess is that difference in age demographics has a lot to do with the disparity. After all, according to those stats, NJ and NY both have a higher rate than GA, even though GA opened up its economy 3 months earlier, and still has no mask mandate. If lockdowns and masks were 100% effective as some vehemently claim, then GA should be FAR worse off, without exceptions.

NYC and NJ were the original epicenters, before anyone knew what this was or how to fight it. Then they started lockdowns and mask usage, and their numbers went down to almost zero.

 

[Analog Kid]

Lockdowns don’t work...otherwise, they would have worked. Oh, but we just didn’t lockdown, correctly, right? More proof they don’t work.

By work, are you under the impression that someone thinks lockdowns are a cure? Nobody believes lockdowns are a cure... That absurd enough it doesn't even make an effective strawman argument.

 

[Analog Kid]

SoCal native here. No, CA was doing great until the state turbo re-opened back in May.

However, when Newsom fired asked for the resignation of the state public health director, I think everyone knew we were in trouble with data on a statewide level.

Local and county governance (e.g., LA city and county) continues to do a really good job at contact tracing, testing, etc. Our nearest county, Orange (think: The "Florida" of California), continued to flaunt public health guidance (looking at you HB!). Orange's rates are almost parity with LA County now, it's bad getting worse by the day.

I think by now everyone in CA knows about the French Laundry snafu so that hasn't helped his image at all.

I'm a little confused by your "no", but I think we're saying the same thing. California handled the early phases well, then blew it.

 

[laudern]

You're kidding, right? Like, really?

Goes for the final smack down to lay some cold hard facts to give the final blow to his argument's point of view.........but then choose CNN and ABC as his source of information. Lol fail.

 

[sdz]

The internet is a marvelous thing. A PCR test stands for polymerase chain reaction test. We do NOT have a test to check for the presence of COVID-19. Google, Bing, Yahoo and many other search engines are your friend.

If pcr shows the virus in your system , then most likely you are infected and able to infect others. What else would that testing be good for?

 

[sdz]

The numbers say California has had 55 deaths per 100,000, Florida 95. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsper100k

Is the reason you don’t go by “advertised” numbers that they disprove your point?

Hey its only ~ 100% more