The „lockdown“ started last Wednesday in Germany and even now you can go outside and even do shopping, so please do not exaggerate.
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Because sars wasn’t widespread and if you in December 2020 still don’t understand the difference to influenza, then you really are lost.
„grocery shopping“ and the soft lockdown started on the 1st of November with all bars and restaurants etc having to close
Nonsensical. Global pandemic is happening even though non-believers lack the nous to know when they've been conned into parroting back the manipulations.
That's because Covid-19 has a higher R0 factor than influenza, SARS, and other recent virus outbreaks like Ebola and MERS. It's also a new virus, that's why it's referred to as the novel coronavirus. Do you know what "novel" means?
Remember how during the early days of the pandemic hospitals on both coasts were being flooded with sick people, how the cities were building field hospitals to treat an overflow of patients, how hospital staff had to decide who to treat (triage) vs who to send home to die?
Yeah? Well, that's why you do lock downs. It's to contain the spread and to manage things. Lock downs were never about stopping/ending the virus.
Guess what SoCal city is setting up field hospitals? Hint: It's a city where a majority of its residents refuse(d) to wear face masks, social distance, and believe(d) coronavirus to be a hoax.
Orange County deploys field hospitals as COVID-19 cases soar
As COVID-19 cases soar, Orange County will deploy mobile field hospitals to relieve some of the stress on the region's healthcare system.
www.latimes.com
California reports record for COVID-19 deaths as ICU bed availability falls
California reported a record number of COVID-19 deaths on Thursday as the virus continues to surge in the Golden State.
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Many things can be true. It’s a mess. California isn’t doing well as I just showed you. I have the ability to see both sides.
California isn’t controlling the spread. We don’t necessarily know why, but locking down isn’t stopping it. This is not a lockdown versus not discussion because there is no perfect answer.
The argument is, what should we do to maximize the good for all? Lockdowns are too onerous on the majority and are largely proving to be ineffective in control.
Open economy with precautions is the best compromise for a %#! situation.
I hit you with a bunch of facts, which you essentially dismissed, so we are done.
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Well, we can always "do the herd", like Trump and Sweden… let's burn off the improductive layer of society and save some money as well. We'll just let the elderly die without intervening, in order to save the necessary hospital beds.
It's a perfectly valid "strategy". But it also speaks volumes about our values, and it would mean we would lose hands down to the vile communists of China, those deplorable villains that put an entire city in lockdown (and who haven't registered a death since April).
It's a perfectly valid "strategy". But it also speaks volumes about our values, and it would mean we would lose hands down to the vile communists of China, those deplorable villains that put an entire city in lockdown (and who haven't registered a death since April).
Counter-arguments to mainstream beliefs don’t make them conspiratorial garbage. Remember, many people’s lives have been ruined by bad science, the untrustworthy media hype machine, arbitrary and confusing rules, and broad lockdowns that have been largely ineffective which experts now agree is a bad idea.
A recently released NY study found that almost 80% of infections occurred at household gatherings, and only 1.6% at restaurants, yet the gov’t continues to impose senseless regulations on restaurant owners and other businesses. Of course, nothing gets more heated than the mask debate because the left and right have politicized it, but research by the CDC in July and a more recent, highly anticipated Danish study both showed masks were ineffective at preventing the spread of Covid. Moreover, real world evidence backs them up!
After everything the experts got wrong to date, and weighing all the evidence, a reasonable person *should* be questioning the efficacy of what they’re being told by politicians and the media, whether it’s mask wearing or lockdowns. In fact, that’s the most American thing I can think of, that an American can do.
Yep, and that's why East Asia is doing so much better. They know when to listen and shut the f up. Their experts were mostly right, and they trusted them.
I agree on the absolute trash leadership CA has had for years. However, do not fall in the trap of talking about mortality rate. That’s not the problem with COVID. The problem is and has always been hospitalization rate. That is the crux of the problem with COVID. It hits people much harder than the flu. It soaks up many more resources.
East Asia isn’t transparent. You have no idea how they are doing Bc they wouldn’t say.
Lock downs aren't about stopping it. You cannot stop it without a vaccine. Lock downs are about controlling the spread so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system. Try to talk to some frontline healthcare workers in the hard hit areas. I can tell you that of the ones I've spoken to (i.e. neighbors), they're sick and tire of treating people who aren't taking things seriously, or refuse to believe they have coronavirus as they lay dying in a hospital bed.
'It's not real': In South Dakota, which has shunned masks and other COVID rules, some people die in denial, nurse says
Jodi Doering, a South Dakota nurse, gained national attention for her account of working on the front lines in a state with high rates of COVID-19.
www.usatoday.com
Lock downs combined with other methods (face masks, social distancing, going out only when necessary, etc) can control and mitigate the virus spread, but not when certain people refuse to follow along. Look at where the hot spots are in California, particularly in SoCal.
California Coronavirus Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.
www.nytimes.com
These areas (Kern Country, San Bernardino, Orange Country, Riverside, etc.) have a certain political leaning and their residents were the ones who were out protesting about how face masks infringed upon their freedoms.
In NorCal, the hot spot is Lassen County. Guess which way they lean politically?
Other hard hit areas in SoCal have a population that's largely working class and cannot afford not to work, lack health insurance, and live in multi-family/multi-generational housing.
As Covid-19 Cases Surge, Latino Communities Feel the Brunt
In heavily Hispanic neighborhoods of Los Angeles, crowded apartments and concerns about coronavirus testing affecting immigration status are common.
www.wsj.com
You’re right, I stand corrected on both counts... 3 weeks, not 3 days and April. But that doesn’t change the overall narrative... there’s no evidence it worked.
I’m not sure what the GA/CA comparison has to do with anything. The point was that if lockdowns and masks were so effective, Georgia should have been hit much harder than any other state considering they were the first to open and never instituted a statewide mask mandate. Yet, their death rate remains half that of NY/NJ who were one of the last to reopen, and fares only slightly worse in case rates.
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At least to me the traffic indicates a highly mobile society. Not like during lockdown times
Lock downs aren't about stopping it. You cannot stop it without a vaccine. Lock downs are about controlling the spread so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system. Try to talk to some frontline healthcare workers in the hard hit areas. I can tell you that of the ones I've spoken to (i.e. neighbors), they're sick and tire of treating people who aren't taking things seriously, or refuse to believe they have coronavirus as they lay dying in a hospital bed.
'It's not real': In South Dakota, which has shunned masks and other COVID rules, some people die in denial, nurse says
Jodi Doering, a South Dakota nurse, gained national attention for her account of working on the front lines in a state with high rates of COVID-19.www.usatoday.com
Lock downs combined with other methods (face masks, social distancing, going out only when necessary, etc) can control and mitigate the virus spread, but not when certain people refuse to follow along. Look at where the hot spots are in California, particularly in SoCal.
California Coronavirus Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
These areas (Kern Country, San Bernardino, Orange Country, Riverside, etc.) have a certain political leaning and their residents were the ones who were out protesting about how face masks infringed upon their freedoms.
In NorCal, the hot spot is Lassen County. Guess which way they lean politically?
Other hard hit areas in SoCal have a population that's largely working class and cannot afford not to work, lack health insurance, and live in multi-family/multi-generational housing.
As Covid-19 Cases Surge, Latino Communities Feel the Brunt
In heavily Hispanic neighborhoods of Los Angeles, crowded apartments and concerns about coronavirus testing affecting immigration status are common.
Most excellent summary... People look past the political leanings and how they have contributed. Red states are far worse off than predominately blue states..
Haha, clearly there’s a cultural difference... Social distancing and discipline is what worked, but even Asians will tell you that’s common sense... No one should need an expert to tell them to stay away from sick people, especially when you can’t tell who’s sick. As a result, most of those countries were able to contain the virus without strict lockdowns. I also think the avian flu being somewhat fresh on their minds contributed to their success.
Yeah I live in Orlando, too. I have multiple friends who are doctors. Doctors who I’ve known personally for over 25 years. I’ll trust them. You are the one who is brainwashed. This is the the problem with our country. Sad!
Yeah, despite all the hate CA gets, I actually live here and can say the same.
Around March stuff really stopped. Like, I live on a fairly busy street and the street was completely empty mid-day.
There is no "lockdown" right now. Almost everything is still open. About 2 weeks ago restaurants were told they couldn't have guests eating in their patio/parking lot anymore - and SOME of them obeyed that order. Some of them didn't.
A whole bunch of people weren't taking it seriously, either. The thing is, it doesn't take much screwing up to cause this to happen. You could do things 75% right, and fail because you didn't do things 100% right.
Lots and lots of scared liberals beyond belief in this thread. This is sad..... But hey, if locking yourselves up and putting your normal lives on "hold" until further notice makes you feel better about not catching COVID then more power to ya. But both my immediate and outside family will continue to celebrate birthdays, Thanksgivings and yes, even Christmas holidays. Even though nazi politicians like in California are basically wanting people to STOP living altogether and just sit inside their homes continuing to live in fear while watching CNN and news media stations that continue to be the pure catalyst of COVID fear mongering at its finest.
Maybe it could be my ER and ICU friends who work at ORMC are telling me lies about COVID cases not being as extreme as the media wants everyone to believe? It's possible.... But then again, I also have a few friends that are RNs at a few Advent Heath hospitals (one in Orange County and one in Lake County) and they pretty much say the same thing.
But hey, why would I believe people who actually work on the front lines vs the news media that's typing out the daily COVID cases?????? lol
[Teachable Moment] It's becoming increasingly clear that some on this thread are truly struggling to understand...
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By population, the City of Los Angeles is the 2nd largest city in the US, behind NYC; the County of Los Angeles is the largest in the country.
Los 👏 Angeles 👏 County 👏 is 👏 not 👏 the 👏same 👏 bloody 👏 place 👏 as 👏 the 👏 City 👏 of 👏 Los 👏 Angeles
By population, the City of Los Angeles is the 2nd largest city in the US, behind NYC; the County of Los Angeles is the largest in the country.
Georgia was, and is being, hit much harder. They never got their case and death rate down to where NY and NJ did.