No one sane wants 100% of the money in license agreements like this. They want a "reasonable" cut - high enough that they make money but low enough that others will agree to the license in the first place.
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Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account
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It turned out that I couldn’t re-download older Epic games that I’ve purchased. Notably Infinity Blade II and III These were “premium” games without in-app purchases.
It turned out that I couldn’t re-download older Epic games that I’ve purchased. Notably Infinity Blade II and III These were “premium” games without in-app purchases.
They're not saying that you can't have a unified balance across platforms, if that's what you're getting at. They're just saying that if Epic has other options to purchase V-Bucks (like a gift card at a retail store or via their website), they must also offer IAP. They can't just let users access their existing balances purchased through other means while not allowing users to buy V-Bucks via IAP.
I wasn't arguing that. I was replying to a comment that said people are for higher prices. I, just like anyone here I think, are fine with lower prices on anything.
Since we're talking "basic economics," what happens when you increase the price by as much as 40%?
They have to offer it within the app, but, since it is multi platform, they can also sell it on their web site. They just cannot direct people in the app to go somewhere else.
Or a landline. It isn't essential that people be connected 24/7.
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So 30%.
Then check the court filings. Exhibit D is an email from Sweeney to Apple and that is what he is stating.
Please clarify the disgusting parts.
I am trying to see this from all angles, but only see Epic using Apple's advertising, storage ( up to several petabytes ), hosting and tech support and not 'paying' for it. If the game sold in a physical store it would see the same 30% cut from the shipping + middle man + box store.
If you made a deal that kids could borrow your lawnmower to cut grass as long as you got 30% of the money ( because you own the lawnmower, pay for the gas and repairs ). Would you not feel a bit cheated if the kids decided to start side hustling and not tell you about it ( not give you the agreed upon percentage )?
Would you be the disgusting one or the kids?
Are you referring to the android os that is also part of a lawsuit or to humanoid beings whose moral compass ends with three laws?
The second sentence is gibberish.
I’m a game pass subscriber and I am not leaving Apple ecosystem over lack of XCloud app. I have a console and other mobile devices to play on.
They did but if you had already purchased them they were still available for download. They are a little buggy on newer hardware because Epic abandoned them.
doesnt say anything good for Epics treatment of its customers...pretty much a stuff you.....
Thanks for buying fortnight, but you can all just do without now because we deliberately try cut out Apple while using their store to distribute our stuff
same as people who live in your house and then refuse to pay the rent cause....
Thanks for buying fortnight, but you can all just do without now because we deliberately try cut out Apple while using their store to distribute our stuff
same as people who live in your house and then refuse to pay the rent cause....
Apple is hoping that Epic will flinch first. If this goes to court, it's possible that Apple could lose and have it's hold of the app store be broken. At issue isn't just the cut Apple takes, but the lack of alternatives on iOS devices. Maybe all of that would be fine, but Apple also produces software of its own that competes with other applications in its ecosystem. These applications have an unfair competitive advantage vs third party developers who must pay a 30% cut. Apple's paid applications don't have that additional cost and developers cannot choose a different store. Developers who want to reach that market must agree to not only the terms of the owner of the store but a competitor. Apple doesn't make games that compete with Epic, but Apple's apps are certainly going to be part of their argument.
Apple has billions to lose here so they are doing everything they can to get Epic to cave. Apple will do everything it can to delay a trial to keep the pressure on. If it does to trial, I think Epic has enough of a case for Apple to have a good chance at losing. If Apple does lose, the results are not predictable. It could mean anything from just having to allow the kind of in-app payments Epic wanted or be forced to allow alternative stores in iOS which is the disaster they most want to avoid.
Apple has billions to lose here so they are doing everything they can to get Epic to cave. Apple will do everything it can to delay a trial to keep the pressure on. If it does to trial, I think Epic has enough of a case for Apple to have a good chance at losing. If Apple does lose, the results are not predictable. It could mean anything from just having to allow the kind of in-app payments Epic wanted or be forced to allow alternative stores in iOS which is the disaster they most want to avoid.
I predict apple will do nothing to delay the trial. The longer this drags on the more various other software vendors will play games. From apple’s point of view, either they are right (likely true) or wrong. If they are right, best to get a court to say so asap. If they are wrong, delay won’t help - they’ll have to deal with the fallout eventually anyway, and best to get it over with.
You can install digital games bought outside the Microsoft App Store for Xbox 1X? They’re friendly to homebrew? Didn’t know this.
No, Android is an OS, this device would come with no OS, no nothing. And the point is not to make Epic happy, but to provide them EXACTLY what they’re supposedly too inept to make themselves, mobile hardware for them to deploy their store to.
Were... ahh, were gamers ever AT apple?
If Epic didn’t start the whole thing with a breach of contract, maybe. But, as that was the first shot fired, the question (has been and will always be), if you didn’t do that thing, would you still be on the App Store? If you undid it, would you be on the App Store? So, you have a remedy, what’s the problem? You don’t want to agree to the terms? That’s called negotiation. They don’t want to negotiate? What do you want ME to do? Force them to negotiate? You DO realize that, if that is held up as settled law, the very next day your customers could be taken to court to force YOU to negotiate, right? So, no, we’re not doing that.
Other developers don't have Epic's resources. Losing iOS revenue would be suicide for them, and why risk it when Epic is fighting this battle for you. Apple's has no reason to rush. The status quo benefits Apple and even a win for Apple comes with no additional advantage. Losing the right means lost revenue for Apple. Only Epic loses more money in a prolonged fight.
Also, I think Apple should lose this right. Apple's position of hardware, OS, and store front owner puts all iOS developers at risk of facing Apple as a competitor with a built in advantage on their own platform. Apple has built the walled garden so high that I believe they have created a zone that gives them an unfair competitive advantage and developers have no recourse but to accept their polices and while paying Apple 30% that can be used to develop products that could compete with their own.
The grass isn't super green on the Android front either but it is possible someone could make a storefront on Android, including Epic themselves. It's just currently a hassle. Google also produces apps in their store. At most, Android could be forced to make it easier to make a competing store.