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Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

TiggrToo said:
Oh, so that’s the reason I can watch HBO Max on my Roku...

...oh wait. I can’t. Roku won’t allow it on there.

Your entire post is laughable. You keep saying that “this is illegal” and “that is required” but you fail EACH and EVERY TIME to provide citations for these statements.

Why is that?

Just because you personally believe in rainbow farting unicorns doesn’t mean they exist!
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Ridiculous.
Roku and HBO are competitors.
Is Epic asking to open a store on App Store? Epic has stated clearly in their email to Apple that they want a separate store.
 
Realityck said:
Tim Sweeny says on twitter

Two facts about Apple:
1) Apple is #3 in the world in game revenue
2) Apple doesn’t make games

Also linked this article - Rizwan Virk Apple, Google or Facebook? The Fortnite lawsuit shows who's been getting too much love - NBCNews 8/30/20
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I’m sorry, but any article that includes the following quote is clearly got an ax to grind:

“It was a bullying tactic that allowed Apple to put almost any small guy out of business in an instant”

Any small business owner knows you never put all your eggs in one basket. If a developer found themselves out of action due to an Apple decision, they were asking for trouble.

You always need a plan B.
 
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TiggrToo said:
Er, what?

Your language is very antiquated. You sound like someone who last dabbled in programming during the classic Client/Server days of the mid 90s.

Back in the “bad old days” (early 2010s), one had two ways to render maps from Google, either writing a class that implemented the MapType interface, or by using the ImageMapType class.

Either way it allowed you to use either Google’s imagery or your own to perform the actual tile rendering.

However you were then required to handle the size of each tile and the allowable zoom levels, making repeated calls to getTile and releaseTile as appropriate.

So, what is this “backend” you speak of?
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Yes.
 
I’ve only read the first few pages, but these responses are hilarious 😂. As if Epic didn’t know this was coming when they made their first move. They’re probably popping champagne bottles. Apple needs to brush up on game theory, they’re playing right into Epic and regulator’s hands.
 
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Alan Wynn said:
By meeting your burden of proof you mean you repeated yourself several times presenting the same assertions with no case law to support your position. If one of my CS students used your technique, I would have used my "Proof by Vehement Assertion" stamp. @TiggrToo, @cmaier and I have all presented case law that supports our position, including the PyStar case (the closest analog to the claims you are making) in which the court ruled against your position.
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The Psystar court relied on a previous case where it was determined that "company's unique operating system software and hardware is not a relevant market; rather the relevant market is all 'small business computers'"(https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/3:2008cv03251/204881/16, page 7). Nothing was said about App Store, which is NOT part of the operating system.
 
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trifid said:
It's time for 3rd party developers to remove their Apps from the Apple store, it'd be interesting to see Apple losing major 3rd party apps and see if they still insist on the 30% greedgate.

iPhone without 3rd party apps is dead, anyone thought about that?
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it would be great to see apps announce they won’t update their apps for iOS 14 or the iPhone 12, but sadly I don’t know how they could do so without being accused of collusion and anti-trust.
 
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TiggrToo said:
Microsoft eventually settled for what legal scholars now feel was a veritable slap on the wrist. So yeah, MS may have been right about their lawyers.
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Yeah, perhaps asking Apple to cooperate with third party developers would be a "veritable slap".
 
Stromos said:
The playstation store is a monopoly. I can't sideload things to my PS4. I don't want to give Playstation 30%.
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False comparison, do you take your PlayStation with you everywhere In your pocket. Is it your primary device for email, messaging, browsing, Phone calls, communication in general. Do you tap your PlayStation at stores rather than use cash or a physical card? Feel free to lie and say yes.
 
CthuluLemon said:
I’ve only read the first few pages, but these responses are hilarious 😂. As if Epic didn’t know this was coming when they made their first move. They’re probably popping champagne bottles. Apple needs to brush up on game theory, they’re playing right into Epic and regulator’s hands.
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I hope the judge is notified of that fact concerning Apple is #3 in the world in game revenue, but Apple doesn’t make games. Thats just implies how profitable the store is. :D
 
TiggrToo said:
In what Universe?

Roku makes streaming devices. HBO Max streams video.

You know who IS a competitor though? Apple with Apple TV+.

You know where you can watch HBO Max? On an Apple TV.
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Developers' fault.
Plus you can sideload.
variety.com

How to Watch HBO Max on Roku or Amazon Fire TV: Streaming Workarounds for Now

Here are workarounds for streaming HBO Max on Roku and Amazon's Fire TV while the companies continue to haggle with WarnerMedia.
variety.com variety.com
(I don't know what Roku is, so I stated incorrectly that it's a competitor to HBO)
 
Reindeer_Legal said:
Yeah, perhaps asking Apple to cooperate with third party developers would be a "veritable slap".
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Or perhaps as this case is totally different as it doesn’t involve coercing third party manufacturers to act against other software vendors, this case will be handled totally differently.

You keep being this case up, so how about you grab the case notes and inform us how it applies to this situation.
 
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CthuluLemon said:
False comparison, do you take your PlayStation with you everywhere In your pocket. Is it your primary device for email, messaging, browsing, Phone calls, communication in general. Do you tap your PlayStation at stores rather than use cash or a physical card? Feel free to lie and say yes.
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What the heck does the device have to do with it?

I’d be fascinated to see which law you think is used to make such a distinction!

Right now it really feels you’re pulling these ideas out from thin air.
 
thadoggfather said:
People will blindly side with Apple, and I must include the disclaimer that I do enjoy their products like so many of us here, but I own their products they DO NOT own my mind: I think this is shamefully authoritarian.

Shows Tim is one big gigantic power tripping, bean counting FRAUD when push comes to shove.

It was completely absurd to make the statement that what Epic is doing is 'putting the entire App Store at risk' more or less -- for what? A fair shake? More agreeable terms? Putting up a fight without rolling over, even if they lost?

Total hyperbolic gaslighting nonsense. I hope others become brave enough to challenge the crappy terms (that they do ultimately agree to, no one forces them -- that much can't be argued otherwise) but there is strength in numbers.

This just sets the scary precedent that no one dare better question Apple at any point. Epic was made out to be an example, a rather epic one.

I also don't give a crap about Infinity Blade or Fortnite personally but that's totally besides the point. In fact that may be part of the point - their offerings don't blind me to my overall convictions and opinions.
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It’s MacRumors and the Apple cult in general, fanatics throw logic out the window and can’t believe that other people still buy Apple products while keeping one foot in the real world. The former doesn’t understand why the latter won’t just embrace NEWSPEAK and Big Brother.
 
TiggrToo said:
What the heck does the device have to do with it?

I’d be fascinated to see which law you think is used to make such a distinction!

Right now it really feels you’re pulling these ideas out from thin air.
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It’s not the device, it’s how people use it and what for.
 
TiggrToo said:
Or perhaps as this case is totally different as it doesn’t involve coercing third party manufacturers to act against other software vendors, this case will be handled totally differently.

You keep being this case up, so how about you grab the case notes and inform us how it applies to this situation.
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Apple doesn't make all the apps on App Store.
App distribution is a relevant and separate market on iOS. (see Android, where they are multiple distributors despite that Google made Android).
Apple illegally ties their App Store to iOS.
 
CthuluLemon said:
It’s MacRumors and the Apple cult in general, fanatics throw logic out the window and can’t believe that other people still buy Apple products while keeping one foot in the real world. The former doesn’t understand why the latter won’t just embrace NEWSPEAK and Big Brother.
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Or is it that we are arguing on legal positions - you know, those annoying things courts and lawyers like to use...

As I’ve stated before, I personally would like to see a change. I think Apple can be too overbearing as well.

None of that changes my mind on how Epic approached this case or where Apple stand legally.
 
CthuluLemon said:
It’s not the device, it’s how people use it and what for.
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You say that yet have shown no law that states that the device type makes any difference.

So, please quote the law in question that makes Smartphone App Stores and Console Apps stores legally different.
 
TiggrToo said:
What the heck does the device have to do with it?

I’d be fascinated to see which law you think is used to make such a distinction!

Right now it really feels you’re pulling these ideas out from thin air.
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Because the huge number of apps you use on iPhone makes app distribution on iOS a relevant market, but not game distribution on PlayStation Console.
 
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So the logic is, Epic figured iOS wasn't worth developing for unless they got more cash. Makes sense.

They COULD just charge more. I guess they haven't gotten to that part of the thought process yet. Give them time :)
 
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