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It seems to me Apple was working on a MacBook Pro design that was more in line (externally and internally) with the current MacBook 12. Since that MBP failed a key test (whatever it was) they just decided to revert to a backup design and 'dump' that one on the market. Doing so while it has a disappointing battery life for a 2016 laptop at that price point; seems bad leadership to me and perhaps Tim Cook should move and let a true product take over..

If I was an Apple engineer working on 'revolutionary' (2016) MacBook Pro seeing it being pulled for a ***** version of it, I also would run frustrated away from the job / company.

The question I have now is, what will Apple do, stick with this compromised design or reassess what should have been sometime in the near future!? (When the thing is not failing the critical test anymore)
 
Sorry, am I expected to believe that Apple employs so few people that they ALL had to be pulled off their projects to work on a battery pack?
Just how many engineers and designers can be logically put to work on a laptop battery ?

For a GIANT company, saying sorry no projects all our team was working on a laptop battery, is just embarrassing to even hope anyone believes that.

Apple cannot be THAT useless can it?
 
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I'm also wondering how long we have to wait for the MacBook Air line to be discontinued?

I hope they replace the 13 inch with a MacBook 14 inch, including Thunderbolt 3 in both the 12 and 14 inch MacBook.

Imho the current line of MacBook's is starting to become a (colorful) mess! :)
 
Stop with the touch bar and create a touch version of macOS. Im not talking about slapping touch on top of the current OS (Windows version of touch) but creating it from the ground up. An OS designed with touch and trackpad use in mind.

Yes so we can grub up all our screens and push them out of legible placement on their hinges.
 
Not speaking for everybody, but obviously there's a lot of stupid sheep that will buy anything as long as it has an Apple logo on it. And it speaks volumes--it's the reason why the new MBP is selling, despite it lacking the I/O and battery power necessary for it to be a "pro" laptop.

Sheep are stupid granted but they don't usually have a lot of money to "waste" on stuff unless these are those other sheep, you know the clever ones....
 
I hardly threw myself into Googles arms, rather I was pushed there. I wasn't even seduced... I used to consider Android the devil (next after Windows). Also I don't think I have much privacy that I need to keep hidden in those files since I'm not a criminal (but if I was I would turn my phone off before my highway robberies). I find the idea of going forward into the cashless society much more intimidating. I'm perfectly aware that Apple doesn't owe me anything except tax evasions. I've owned many desktops and laptops along with the electronics peripherals and iPods, iPhones and iPads so I wouldn't go as far as call myself a trigger happy "jumper".

I wasn't trying to get back at Apple... I was just lonely. If you think Apple is still the bomb I'm not going to throw a tantrum if you want to keep seeing it.
Microsoft has upped its game. Kudos to them. The PC hardware world has done a good job of catching up to Apple. They've gone from heavy, loud, ugly, junk with no battery life to some sleek machines in just 6 years. Competition is good for the consumer.

You don't have to be a criminal to deserve some privacy. Its not just where you've been. Its what you buy, what you search, psychological profiles based on big data. They are estimating what kind of person you are and selling your character, your health, your needs, your social circle, based on algorithms. It goes farther. Big data may one day have a say in what you pay for health insurance, or if you get offers...

A lot of people don't see how private data collection crosses the line from sending cruise ship ads to dark creepy stuff. This should make it clear. Its not foil hat internet speculation. Its a well respected publication from the days of print.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...fying-but-not-for-the-reasons-the-fda-thinks/
 
I hardly threw myself into Googles arms, rather I was pushed there. I wasn't even seduced... I used to consider Android the devil (next after Windows). Also I don't think I have much privacy that I need to keep hidden in those files since I'm not a criminal (but if I was I would turn my phone off before my highway robberies). I find the idea of going forward into the cashless society much more intimidating. I'm perfectly aware that Apple doesn't owe me anything except tax evasions. I've owned many desktops and laptops along with the electronics peripherals and iPods, iPhones and iPads so I wouldn't go as far as call myself a trigger happy "jumper".

I wasn't trying to get back at Apple... I was just lonely. If you think Apple is still the bomb I'm not going to throw a tantrum if you want to keep seeing it.


As a concerned confidante, I would urge you to reconsider the privacy aspect. You don't have to be a criminal to worry about a private company assembling a dossier on every person that they can. Google has a worldwide license to use the dossier they are building on you essentially forever. Your photos of your family and friends, etc., are now licensed to Google in perpetuity, for example, if you upload any photos to their "free" services. They will use facial recognition to sell tell advertisers that they can recognize you wherever you go in the world and know everything about you. That's an amazing big brother that a few years ago no one would have imagined Americans and others going quietly into the night with. When you think of how almost every aspect of your life and your family's is being loaded into a file, ask yourself how comfortable you are with hackers having access to it, private companies, now and future governments, law enforcement, foreign and domestic intel agencies, or simply whatever successor company Google transfers it to. Yes, that's in your license that you've agreed Google can do, as long as they send you a copy of the "new privacy policy" that the new company has. And yes, that Google Assistant you are putting in your home is recording everything.

Just a few gems for the skeptical

"When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works . . ."(

"We may use the name you provide for your Google Profile across all of the services we offer that require a Google Account. In addition, we may replace past names associated with your Google Account so that you are represented consistently across all our services. If other users already have your email, or other information that identifies you, we may show them your publicly visible Google Profile information, such as your name and photo."


"If Google is involved in a merger, acquisition or asset sale, we will continue to ensure the confidentiality of any personal information and give affected users notice before personal information is transferred or becomes subject to a different privacy policy."

"Depending on your account settings, your activity on other sites and apps may be associated with your personal information in order to improve Google’s services and the ads delivered by Google.


Being forewarned is to be forearmed.
 
Great. Haven't even received our order of the new Macbook Pro and already talking about updating them. Thanks for making us not want our brand new laptops the moment we get them. :(
 
Never Buy First Gen said:
Apple planned to introduce "higher capacity battery packs" that would have been terraced and shaped to the inside compartment of the computer, boosting battery life in the process. According to a person familiar with the creation of the MacBook, the battery failed a "key test," so instead of delaying the laptop and missing the holiday shopping season, "Apple decided to revert to an older design." This created a domino effect that went on to hit other Mac design teams whose engineers were taken to finish the MacBook Pro.
I knew it. It's always true, you should never buy the first generation of a new Apple product form factor. The boring one that looks exactly like last year on the outside, that's the one you want. Why was I even tempted? Hang on my 2010 MBP, your time hasn't come yet baby.

PS: Also, isn't it time to rename it the MacRumors Don't Buyer's Guide?
 
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As a concerned confidante, I would urge you to reconsider the privacy aspect. You don't have to be a criminal to worry about a private company assembling a dossier on every person that they can. Google has a worldwide license to use the dossier they are building on you essentially forever. Your photos of your family and friends, etc., are now licensed to Google in perpetuity, for example, if you upload any photos to their "free" services. They will use facial recognition to sell tell advertisers that they can recognize you wherever you go in the world and know everything about you. That's an amazing big brother that a few years ago no one would have imagined Americans and others going quietly into the night with. When you think of how almost every aspect of your life and your family's is being loaded into a file, ask yourself how comfortable you are with hackers having access to it, private companies, now and future governments, law enforcement, foreign and domestic intel agencies, or simply whatever successor company Google transfers it to. Yes, that's in your license that you've agreed Google can do, as long as they send you a copy of the "new privacy policy" that the new company has. And yes, that Google Assistant you are putting in your home is recording everything.

Just a few gems for the skeptical

"When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works . . ."(

"We may use the name you provide for your Google Profile across all of the services we offer that require a Google Account. In addition, we may replace past names associated with your Google Account so that you are represented consistently across all our services. If other users already have your email, or other information that identifies you, we may show them your publicly visible Google Profile information, such as your name and photo."


"If Google is involved in a merger, acquisition or asset sale, we will continue to ensure the confidentiality of any personal information and give affected users notice before personal information is transferred or becomes subject to a different privacy policy."

"Depending on your account settings, your activity on other sites and apps may be associated with your personal information in order to improve Google’s services and the ads delivered by Google.


Being forewarned is to be forearmed.

I'm actually quite touched by your reply :)

I never use Google with voice and I don't use Google Assistant... at least not as of now. Not that I'm completely sure it helps, but I don't save every data to my Google accounts. On the other side, my government does monitor every email I send and whatnot. I'm sure my VPNs doesn't confuse them much if they truly were interested in what I write in my emails.

Yes, the monitoring does actually cross my mind when I use my computers or phones. I have decided that I'm of the same colour as the rest of the sheep in the flock and I'm therefore not more likely attacked than anyone else.

Edit: I never upload photos or anything to any services... not even facebook. Not that I'm not good looking or such...

This is actually funny... but I've been taping my webcams and such for years.... lol

Thank you for your kind concern :)
 
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The terraced battery in my macbook 2015 has been degrading very quickly. After 1 years and 8 months of use, the full battery capacity has fallen by more than 10 percent.

I have a macbook pro 2015 with the normal battery and that has managed to maintain its charge over time.

So count yourselves lucky that they did not include the terraced designed battery in the 2016 macbook pro.
 
How about making the body a little thicker so you can put in a bigger battery and some ports people actually use?
the article says the new MacBook is designed to use a larger battery than what's in there.. it's just that this battery failed some tests which would lead to further delays in order to fix.. the first version of the touchbar mbp is using an older/smaller/reliable battery.. when v2 comes out, it's likely the problems with the new/larger/higher capacity battery will be sorted out and we'll see improved battery life.

or- the body doesn't need to be thicker in order to accommodate a larger battery.. they just need to put the larger battery inside that the new mbp was designed to house.
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After 1 years and 8 months of use, the full battery capacity has fallen by more than 10 percent.

heh, that doesn't sound bad, actually.
(relatively speaking)
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Lightning on the MB sounds good, but I think they made the right call. USB-C is the future, I wouldn't be surprised if iPhone use it soon.
better be real soon then ;)

i wouldn't be surprised if we see a port_less iPhone within the next couple of iterations.
 
If somehow my 2009 unibody macbook was swapped for a2016 MBP, I'd be genuinely upset and annoyed.

That speaks volumes as to the decisions Apple has made.
 
Let's count the ports on the 2016 MacBook Pro:

- four power ports
- four video outputs capable of driving four simultaneous 4K displays or two 5K displays
- four daisy chainable USB 3.1 ports
- four daisy chainable FireWire ports
- four Ethernet ports
- four daisy chainable Thunderbolt 3 ports
- four ports that can drive VGA, Mini DisplayPort, or HDMI displays

I guess I find your "lack of ports" comment disingenuous. If you're plugging in piles of USB peripherals, you've already got a rats nest. One extra adapter won't make a bit of difference.

You're absolutely right how disingenuous of me. Everything you describe requires something in between those great and fully loaded features and the actual computer. You know exactly what I meant.
 
So basically. Instead of pulling a samsung with battery issues, they went to a safer design. Even if it means slightly less battery life, that's the right move.
Exactly! Though people is hard to please, so doesn't matter what Apple does, they'll still get criticised.
 
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CPU is not slower overall. The thermal management is enough better in the 2016 MBP over the 2015 model, that, even though it is about 8% slower, it is able to cruise along at that 8% slower for basically forever, whereas the 2015 CPU had to throttle back after just a few minutes.

The Touch Bar is lightyears-ahead of some stupid repurposed "Function Keys", most of which that have no real function as "F-Keys" in almost all macOS Applications. How anyone can not see that is beyond belief.

Way less battery life does not appear to be true, now that Apple has adjusted a few background processes. Typical new-OS-version issue.

No SD card reader: I was excited that my 2012 non-retina MBP has an SD card reader. I have used it exactly ONCE, and that was really just to make sure it worked. Everyone keeps calling it a "Pro" feature; but it is anything-but. True "Pro" cameras don't use SD cards, because they are too damned slow for RAW storage; SD is a CONSUMER-level camera storage medium. And considering you can get a nice USB-C multi-format card reader (much nicer than the built-in version) on Amazon for under $20, I really wouldn't sweat it.

And you also conveniently failed to mention the blazing-fast SSD. Not only faster than last-year's, but something like THREE TIMES faster than others in the industry.
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"Have you tried one?

Curiously enough, those who do, mysteriously stop complaining..."


Have you tried one?

Curiously enough, those who do, mysteriously stop complaining...


Yes I have.
I bought a new MBP and got rid of it after trying for about three weeks to make it work.
They keyboard is absolutely terrible.
I wouldn't say what I said if I hadn't tried one
 
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Yes I have.
I bought a new MBP and got rid of it after trying for about three weeks to make it work.
They keyboard is absolutely terrible.
I wouldn't say what I said if I hadn't tried one

I cringe when I have to go back to my MacBook Air, or Lenovo Thinkpad keyboard after owning the 2016 MacBook Pro.
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This reminds me a bit of American auto manufacturers in the 80s- people still "bought American" because they were "the best", but eventually, people woke up to the essential cheapening and crap product they were being shoveled, and now Toyota is the best selling brand. Apple is beinning to sound like Ford and GM, and the public's still buying...for now.

So I should buy the Surface even though the demo unit at the store was broken, and the sales assistant could not or care to figure it out, so he just said try another store or come back another time, and quickly went back to his hangman game he was playing with a co-worker on the big touch projection screen?
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3mm.
Don't be silly, no one's asking for a 10lb. slab.
People are asking for the 10 hour battery as claimed, something achieved in the previous MBP which was...you guessed it...3mm thicker.

I actually would not have bought the 2016 15" if it was 3mm thicker and heavier.
 
if other Mac's are getting 10 hours it's not pointing to hardware problem, but software possibly.. If it was a hardware issue, those Mac's would be like that out of the box.. and no software fix would solve that ever if it was a technical side. This would be despite Apple removing the battery indicator to hide the issue.
 
I think they are still committed to the Mac Pro, but I think US manufacturing really slowed them down. They created machines and robots to make these babies but now they want to shift production back to China. That makes sense and perhaps the biggest reason why there are no Mac Pro updates.

I guess they cannot do what they want in the facilities here vs what can be done in China.
 
I purchased a new MBpro, returned it, besides the problems I had with it, I was greatly disappointed in this machine. My biggest complaint is the larger trackpad it is just in the way of where I rest my palms. The touch bar is frustrating to use, I guess it has potential but simple tasks like next song, raise or lower volume now requires multiple steps. When I am home I use an external keyboard and mouse which minimizes the value of the touch bar. The USB C ports are inevitable but the fact my new iPhone only includes a standard USB cable means i have to purchase more dongles. I would have liked to have seen at least one regular USB port or a bunch of usb cables for free. Not really interested in Windows but it might be time to explore, Apple may be selling many iPhones and ignoring faster computer updates, what they have t remember is the iPhone, MacBook ect is part of the apple ecosystem, break it and you can begin losing to the next great cell phone that does not catch on fire.
 
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