hey man - don't attack the messenger - I get it. Apple is a business, not a charity. Stuff gets old/outdated. They have to sell new stuff.
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Apple Tested Stage Manager on iPads Without M1 Chip and Wasn't Satisfied
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April 3, 2010 to today is not “decades”. “Years” absolutely, but only 1 decade.
Anyway I have proved ipad pro 2020 which was still in Apple Store in April 2021 has enough cpu, ram, ssd speed to run full ipadOS 16. Apple just use programming to limit "pro updates" to M1 only and the real reason should be because of $$$ more profit.
The fact you think this issue has anything to do with benchmarks shows how little you understand how things work.
The only thing you proved is that you have no clue what you're talking about.
Oh my gosh, the wailing and the gnashing of teeth and the rending of garments in this thread is hilarious.
Does Stage Manager seem like an interesting new take on multitasking? Sure. Is it required to be able to continue using your 2020 iPad Pro as you’ve always used it? No. Does iPadOS 16 make your 2020 iPad Pro unusable? No. Does iPadOS 16 skip your 2020 iPad Pro? No. Do new version of iOS and iPadOS always leave out a handful of features that don’t work well on older hardware? Hell yes. Every time.
Complaining that your 2020 iPad Pro (which was widely-known in 2020 as a minor spec bump whose primary marketable feature was a new camera array including a time-of-flight sensor for AR) doesn’t get one particular new feature, no matter how “cool” it may seem smacks of entitlement.
While it would have been nice for Apple to figure out a way to ship a stripped-down version of Stage Manager for older hardware, we don’t know that it would have been possible to match Apple’s expectations for the user experience while having the feature be any more effective than the existing multitasking paradigm. If it comes down to choosing between “not shipping the feature in older hardware at all” and “shipping a version so stripped-down that it doesn’t provide any material benefit to users,” I think Apple is well within its rights to choose the former.
I expect the delta between what the M-series iPads are capable of and what the A-series iPads are capable of to continue to grow. If you can’t handle having an iPad running an A-series chip, if you cannot live without Stage Manager and whatever future features come out, then by all means, sell your existing hardware and upgrade. Or just learn to live with it and realize that you’re not entitled to new features on your older hardware just because you think they’re cool.
Does Stage Manager seem like an interesting new take on multitasking? Sure. Is it required to be able to continue using your 2020 iPad Pro as you’ve always used it? No. Does iPadOS 16 make your 2020 iPad Pro unusable? No. Does iPadOS 16 skip your 2020 iPad Pro? No. Do new version of iOS and iPadOS always leave out a handful of features that don’t work well on older hardware? Hell yes. Every time.
Complaining that your 2020 iPad Pro (which was widely-known in 2020 as a minor spec bump whose primary marketable feature was a new camera array including a time-of-flight sensor for AR) doesn’t get one particular new feature, no matter how “cool” it may seem smacks of entitlement.
While it would have been nice for Apple to figure out a way to ship a stripped-down version of Stage Manager for older hardware, we don’t know that it would have been possible to match Apple’s expectations for the user experience while having the feature be any more effective than the existing multitasking paradigm. If it comes down to choosing between “not shipping the feature in older hardware at all” and “shipping a version so stripped-down that it doesn’t provide any material benefit to users,” I think Apple is well within its rights to choose the former.
I expect the delta between what the M-series iPads are capable of and what the A-series iPads are capable of to continue to grow. If you can’t handle having an iPad running an A-series chip, if you cannot live without Stage Manager and whatever future features come out, then by all means, sell your existing hardware and upgrade. Or just learn to live with it and realize that you’re not entitled to new features on your older hardware just because you think they’re cool.
I all y'all whiners should return your iPads and get Galaxy devices. Easy peasy. I'm sure Tim Cook will be broken-hearted that y'all don't love him anymore.
If what Apple says is true… then either Stage Manager/iOS is running inflated inefficient code that needs proper optimisation… or the foundation of iOS is fundamentally flawed… I suspect it's the latter, since no other OS fails to multitask dozens upon dozens of open windows.
Of course it’s a matter of how iOS was designed. I’d have to think there is a team somewhere in Apple trying to design a future operating system for their platforms from the ground up, because a lot of the issues we encounter in iOS and iPadOS today are the results of decisions made a decade and a half ago when iOS was in its infancy.
But it’s also a gross oversimplification to suggest that “iOS is fundamentally flawed … since no other OS fails to multitask dozens upon dozens of open windows.”
Shift screen is just running webkit . It isn't leveraging IO, Metal GPU, or using video codecs.
Tell me when Shiftscreen can run LumaFusion editing 4k video on an external display while Affinity Photo is juggling a 30 layer 600 MB .psd file. All of which will exert more than 5GB of ram each and go to swap.
And this isn't a pie-in-the-sky use case. Editing images for titles for a 4K social media video is a valid use case for a M1 pro iPad.
This failure to see any form of context, in this discussion… in most discussions in the past 5 years, is frankly embarrassing for humanity as a whole.
Nobody owes you anything. Other people know things you don’t. It’s not all about you. There is no big plan. It is what it is. Get over it.
Nobody owes you anything. Other people know things you don’t. It’s not all about you. There is no big plan. It is what it is. Get over it.
They'll never do that. That would require mustering up a wee bit of courage and conviction.
Much easier to engage in some righteous faux outrage for some attention (that's otherwise lacking), and, to feel better inside.
So whenever Apple claims like it just did that the M2 is 20% faster than M1 I am going to remember this 2020 claim - that the 2020 iPad Pro is faster than many pc laptops. Yet, can't run stage manager. Yet those PC laptops had multitasking down better than what stage manager will deliver. I agree with other comments that PC gets much more done with supposedly inferior hardware so the M1 requirement is a red herring. The real issue is with the software design. What if I solder on a PC chip to my iPad Pro - can I then be allowed to run stage manager? (its a joke but you see my point)
A bit wrong there as I was merely pointing to the ability to run fullscreen nothing more nothing less.
I know shiftscreen is a browser. But Citrix and Jump Desktop uses HW acc for remote control.
Again, very lightweight tasks. It is just rendering to a framebuffer and not even 30 fps as it is polling from a remote desktop. Even a 2GB Raspberry PI can do that. An iPhone have been doing that for a few years now.
The RAM on the 2020 iPad Pro is only 6 GB. The minimum RAM in an M1 iPad Pro is 8 GB, with 16 GB in the high-end models. The SSD is much faster in the M1 models.
By asking for Stage Manager on your iPad, you're asking for sucky performance, poor battery life, decreased life expectancy of the SSD, and apps crashing in the middle of your work.
Some people have hearkened back to the days of physical disk drives, to suggest SSD speed doesn't matter, but they forget just how intolerable virtual memory swapping was. And in a battery operated device with the efficiency of an iPad, you do not want to see swapping occur with any regularity.
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No where, literally no where did I say it was for "malicious reasons". You claim no one is using their critical thinking skills but it seems like you're the one having issues in that camp.
Apple screwed up, simple as that and those of us who can't use one of the best features of the OS for devices not even a year old have every right to be angry.
If you don't like it, don't bother commenting. Simple.
Yes that is exactly why ipad should be able to do it to!!!!
it is still fullscreen, which I was referring to. I never talked multitasking or demanding apps. You are wrong about iPhone the. It still has black bars like ipad.
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Ah yes, I definitely remember all the iPhones, iPads, and MacBooks that burst into flames /s
Jesus Christ. I hope all the salty commenters here are able to get the support they need for the debilitating trauma this announcement has caused. Instead of getting a new iPad, might I recommend investing in an emotional support animal?
I won’t buy their explanation that A12X is not performant enough to handle stage manager’s simultaneous multi-window multitasking, when my Windows laptop with i7-7700HQ which is a slower CPU compared to A12X handled much more intense multitasking without breaking a sweat.
Task prioritization has been here since forever, even Windows OS or Windows programs knows to put program’s thread at higher priority when user is actively interacting with the program, and put their thread at lower priority when user isn’t actively interacting.
Seeing the examples of a more limited Stage Manager for use with older recent iPads makes sense. Even if you have place some limits with the model effected, Apple needs to be expanding the Stage Manager usability, instead of producing one coded example that only fits in a specific SoC vs RAM match. Boggles the mind that a A15 could not run Stage Manger floating windows in a limited fashion in place of 2 applications side by side. I really dislike the side by side as it currently implemented, and IPadOS 16 really fails on improving it for non M1 iPads.
How can anyone afford an emotional support animal when they have to update their ipad pros every year?
