Apple Tested Stage Manager on iPads Without M1 Chip and Wasn't Satisfied

[Abazigal]

Nobody complains about the calculator app. It's basic and that's all it needs to be.

I just don't understand why some people are so hung up over the calculator app (or lack thereof) for the iPad.

It's been over 12 years. What were people doing all this while before the iPad got a weather app, and what's going to change if and when the iPad does ever get its own calculator app in the future? It's not like users were hurting for weather apps before, and are people really going to mass-delete their Pcalc apps in the case of the latter?

At the end of the day, it simply feels less like a genuine desire for a calculator app, and more of latching on to any excuse (however contrived) to criticise Apple for their supposed failings.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Then TWEAK THE THING until you're satisfied!!!

You roll out a whole bunch of things that stutter, crash, and burst into flames, and now suddenly you care about customer experience?

Decreasing the effectiveness of the feature on new gen so it works better on old gen is a bad business strategy. They ultimately want people to have more reasons to buy the new hardware, so they wouldn't want to invest hours into improving function on old tech especially if it means the feature now won't be as robust.

 

[jav6454]

All of this dances around the fact that Apple has an acceptable performance benchmark regarding running a minimum number, whatever Appel decided that would be, of resource intensive apps simultaneously for for the Stage Manager with Swap Memory feature and they say that the A12 iPads don't meet it. Here's thing, A12s probably could run it, but Apple can't have SM multitask several lighter apps well, but not Photoshop, Lightroom, Procreate, and Affinity Designer or maybe one of the apps is where you're marking up a 100 page PDF with lots of graphics.

There were probably issues with app windows looking like unlabeled blank rectangles when the apps were frozen and lost their thumbnail, but after years of people complaining about how new updates make their older iPads run poorly Apple probably decided it wasn't worth the inevitable complaints.

So everyone is getting the exact situation they complained themselves into.

But I hope that someone does port Stage Manager to your iPad which Im sure you'll still be using ten years from now.

I see, you think that thread is from now? That thread is older than you think. Also, Apple's word on a feature like this is to be taken with a grain of salt. The performance is there, just are just to focused on wanting people to upgrade.

 

[darngooddesign]

I see, you think that thread is from now?

Nope, I think that thread is from 2021.

Also, Apple's word on a feature like this is to be taken with a grain of salt. The performance is there, just are just to focused on wanting people to upgrade.

You have no evidence to support this view, while there is a lot of historical evidence that if Apple releases a new feature which slows down older hardware, even slightly, all they get is complaints.

 

[Cognizant.]

I just don't understand why some people are so hung up over the calculator app (or lack thereof) for the iPad.

Because it's illogical and stupid that we still don't have one. This isn't complicated. Your lack of understanding as to why has no relevance to the situation.

 

[steve09090]

Because it's illogical and stupid that we still don't have one. This isn't complicated. Your lack of understanding as to why has no relevance to the situation.

And your lack of understanding as to why they don’t shows you refuse to accept the facts as Craig Federeghi told us. Besides, the iPad DOES have a calculator. Use the Spotlight Search!

 

[Cognizant.]

And your lack of understanding as to why they don’t shows you refuse to accept the facts as Craig Federeghi told us. Besides, the iPad DOES have a calculator. Use the Spotlight Search!

I refuse to accept Apple's pattern of stupid excuses, which is an actual thing that Apple does.

 

[Abazigal]

Because it's illogical and stupid that we still don't have one. This isn't complicated. Your lack of understanding as to why has no relevance to the situation.

I would like to hear your take on my second point as well.

Are you currently not using a third party calculator app (perhaps as some sort of silent protest on this matter). If you were, how are you expecting the iOS version to be any superior, and are you going to delete it if and when the iPad gets its own native calculator app regardless?

Because right now, your argument basically boils down to “Apple is stupid to not have one because I say so”, in the face of iPad sales not seemingly having been impacted, or the myriad of third party calculator apps available.

What makes you say that the absence of said app is evidently some great iniquity? I can understand this being some run of the mill opinion, I can understand indifference to it, I just can’t understand this, ironically, being a hill that you apparently want to die on yourself.

 

[Cognizant.]

Are you currently not using a third party calculator app (perhaps as some sort of silent protest on this matter).

I'm using a third party calculator app.

If you were, how are you expecting the iOS version to be any superior, and are you going to delete it if and when the iPad gets its own native calculator app regardless?

It doesn't need to be superior. It just needs to literally be exactly the same as the Mac and iOS calculator that have been out for a very long time. It doesn't need to be special. It can literally be the exact same app. Apple is acting like it needs to be some revolutionary way to calculate numbers before they release it. Nobody cares about that but Apple. If there was a native app I wouldn't need to download another one.

Because right now, your argument basically boils down to “Apple is stupid to not have one because I say so”, in the face of iPad sales not seemingly having been impacted, or the myriad of third party calculator apps available.

No, the argument is Apple is stupid not to have one because they include it on all their Macs and phones. There are also a myriad of calculator apps on iOS and macOS as well, but they still have native apps.

What makes you say that the absence of said app is evidently some great iniquity? I can understand this being some run of the mill opinion, I can understand indifference to it, I just can’t understand this, ironically, being a hill that you apparently want to die on yourself.

It's not some life or death situation. I'm just saying it's stupid the iPad doesn't have a native calculator app like the Macs and phones do ... something people have been asking about for years ... and Apple's response is a bizarre one that has no basis in logic. This isn't a hill I'm dying on. It's a perfectly reasonable concern. You're just being ridiculous.

 

[darngooddesign]

If you were, how are you expecting the iOS version to be any superior, and are you going to delete it if and when the iPad gets its own native calculator app regardless?

What I like about the iPhone calculator app is that it can be launched from Control Center instead of drilling down to wherever the app is located.

 

[steve09090]

I would like to hear your take on my second point as well.

Are you currently not using a third party calculator app (perhaps as some sort of silent protest on this matter). If you were, how are you expecting the iOS version to be any superior, and are you going to delete it if and when the iPad gets its own native calculator app regardless?

Which is Apples point. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Because right now, your argument basically boils down to “Apple is stupid to not have one because I say so”, in the face of iPad sales not seemingly having been impacted, or the myriad of third party calculator apps available.

That's pretty much it. "I don’t believe them", is hardly a convincing argument.

What makes you say that the absence of said app is evidently some great iniquity? I can understand this being some run of the mill opinion, I can understand indifference to it, I just can’t understand this, ironically, being a hill that you apparently want to die on yourself.

Once the position has been stated, there is often no movement, regardless of the facts.

No, the argument is Apple is stupid not to have one because they include it on all their Macs and phones. There are also a myriad of calculator apps on iOS and macOS as well, but they still have native apps.

But why do they NEED to? Example: They have FCP on a Mac and many people want it on the iPad. Why haven’t they and should they have to?

I refuse to accept Apple's pattern of stupid excuses, which is an actual thing that Apple does.

Apple are under no obligation to give you an app whether you think it’s a stupid excuse or not.

 

[Cognizant.]

But why do they NEED to? Example: They have FCP on a Mac and many people want it on the iPad. Why haven’t they and should they have to?

It's a calculator app. Not a philosophical existential dilemma.

 

[steve09090]

It's a calculator app. Not a philosophical existential dilemma.

You’re right. It really is a 'who cares' issue, but your comments seem to suggest otherwise. 🙄

 

[Cognizant.]

You’re right. It really is a 'who cares' issue, but your comments seem to suggest otherwise. 🙄

Continuing to respond to my comments suggests otherwise.

 

[lindros2]

Anyone see the article (video?) of the Mini 6 running Stage Manager?
Looks pretty good...

 

[darngooddesign]

Anyone see the article (video?) of the Mini 6 running Stage Manager?
Looks pretty good...

That's not SM running on the iPad Mini. Those are Mac screenshots, sent to the iPad.

 

[lindros2]

That's not SM running on the iPad Mini. Those are Mac screenshots, sent to the iPad.

this? https://9to5mac.com/2022/07/04/stage-manager-on-the-ipad-mini/

ahhh - it's a debug tool. damnit.