Apple Tester Claims to Be 'Blown Away' by AR/VR Headset, Says There Was Giant Development Leap

[NEPOBABY]

What helped you decide?

Wast it the presentation or the hands on experience?

As long as it is better than Meta's mental advert where they have:

1. A musician using virtual controls on a virtual audio workstation and it looked so ****ing impractical that they had to fake that **** in After Effects.

2. A disabled person in a wheel chair air typing and using virtual controls in the middle of a cold looking warehouse. Zuckerberg the robot clearly doesn't understand disabled people...or people.

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

I think we can all agree that if Apple is going to release this it must have ground breaking technology never seen before just like the iPhone did. If this doesn’t introduce new technology into the market then is dead in water like the Apple Watch.

 

[citysnaps]

22.8° FOV glasses with an image quality that looks like the images below, and it takes 20 minutes to generate a single image on an RTX 3090 (maybe an hour for full color). I’m sorry, but this is decades away from being used in general purpose AR/VR glasses.View attachment 2191600
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Apple is far beyond that. That was a proof-of-concept, by an Apple competitor - Nvidia, IIRC.

No company is going to reveal what they'll soon be bringing to market at a tech conference, for all of their competitors to see.

 

[Jensend]

Apple is far beyond that. That was a proof-of-concept, by an Apple competitor - Nvidia, IIRC.

No company is going to reveal what they'll soon be bringing to market at a tech conference, for all of their competitors to see.

How do know? Do you have any expertise that would give a special insight about this technology?

Just rendering images for this device takes hundreds of thousands of times longer than is acceptable for real time rendering.
This is a device that is hyper-optimized for one aspect, thinness, at the expense of all others. Even if Apple can make it 1000 times better, that isn't enough.

Has Apple introduced any radical new technology that hadn't been demonstrated elsewhere in at least in component form?

 

[citysnaps]

Has Apple introduced any radical new technology that hadn't been demonstrated elsewhere in at least in component form?

Before introduction? Not that I'm aware of.

 

[Marshall73]

Crap compared to what? For VR you really can’t get better for what it is. Maybe VR is just not your thing?

that doesn’t make it good, crap graphics are crap graphics. But hey, you can’t get better must make it good 🤨

 

[ocnitsa]

Someone give me a good use case.

Medical student in Australia is able to get a Birds Eye view of a leading heart surgeon in Germany performing a triple bypass. The student can view the field of operation from any angle by walking around and looking down.

 

[Born Again]

Medical student in Australia is able to get a Birds Eye view of a leading heart surgeon in Germany performing a triple bypass. The student can view the field of operation from any angle by walking around and looking down.

mass market use case... If apple had to bank on surgeons they'd go broke.

 

[Tagbert]

mass market use case... If apple had to bank on surgeons they'd go broke.

I have a feeling that initially there will be a number of use cases, none of which are dominant but after people use it for a while and third-party software comes out, some areas of focus will become more clear. It may be a bit like the Apple Watch in that regard. The initial version was trying to be a lot of different things, but over time certain uses became the most important.

 

[Misopates]

Because you measure pixels horizontally. Two lenses at 4k by 4k makes it 8k by 4k viewing.

Well I know that. But you would end up with a very weird aspect ratio to get 8K horizontally and it would only have roughly 16 mpx which is not considered 8K resolution.

 

[Jensend]

mass market use case... If apple had to bank on surgeons they'd go broke.

Tens of millions of people have already bought VR headsets for things like games, socializing, media viewing, exercise, and creative uses (such as drawing and sculpting in 3D space, in a way that is much more intuitive than desktop 3D creation apps).

As the headsets get better, new use cases will be opened up, such as a virtual replacement for a multi-monitor desktop computer setup.

Yes, you can do versions of most of those on other devices. But there's also a lot of overlap when you look at the use cases for phones, tablets, laptops, and desktops.

 

[NEPOBABY]

Tens of millions of people have already bought VR headsets for things like games, socializing, media viewing, exercise, and creative uses (such as drawing and sculpting in 3D space, in a way that is much more intuitive than desktop 3D creation apps).

As the headsets get better, new use cases will be opened up, such as a virtual replacement for a multi-monitor desktop computer setup.

Yes, you can do versions of most of those on other devices. But there's also a lot of overlap when you look at the use cases for phones, tablets, laptops, and desktops.

VR painting and sculpting has been around since 2014 and not taken off. It's a lacklustre experience.

Drawing and sculpting requires artists to feel a solid surface. They need to feel their muscles resisting a surface. They need millimetre precision and that means they need to be working on stable surfaces and not waving their arms at intangible virtual objects.

Please stay in your lane and don't talk about us artists. It's almost as bad as your idea that sitting alone with your VR cinema is better than going to the theater.

 

[darthbane2k]

Based on the rumors of the displays Apple is planning on using, this would be impossible. It's going to be a very premium niche product at first. They're going to build a larger ecosystem for it, and when the more affordable, consumer version becomes available, the capability of it will be that much more mature and an overall better UX for mass adoption.

The features that have been rumoured / leaked sound like very consumer features - that’s why I believe the 3k price rumour is bogus.

We’ll see! Lol

 

[Someyoungguy]

Uh-huh…Sure
/s

Here comes the hype campaign
So much of everything is BS and hype now…and so little actual substance

Is this thing still going to be counting on “dumber than rocks” Siri?

The "I was so skeptical; now I'm blown away in a 'take my money kind of way,'" quote doesn't pass the smell test. Nobody talks like that except marketers.

 

[NEPOBABY]

Apple is far beyond that. That was a proof-of-concept, by an Apple competitor - Nvidia, IIRC.

No company is going to reveal what they'll soon be bringing to market at a tech conference, for all of their competitors to see.

The most recent article about product changes mentioned metalens technology, which appears to be the next leap forward for mobile photography and can be used in AR glasses too. However it is years away from consumer product and extremely processor intensive. It will eat a battery up in no time.

 

[jjudson]

I have a feeling that initially there will be a number of use cases, none of which are dominant but after people use it for a while and third-party software comes out, some areas of focus will become more clear.

You do realize that there's a number of VR devices out there for years now that have at least one use case -- gaming -- and still haven't spread widely into other areas of focus...?

And gamers have shelved them for their use case already.

This is a Cook vanity project -- hoping he can leave his mark on at least ONE ground-up development project before he (thankfully) rides off into the sunset...

 

[pdoherty]

What apps/demos/games/experiences will even be available for this when it launches?

 

[ocnitsa]

mass market use case... If apple had to bank on surgeons they'd go

mass market use case... If apple had to bank on surgeons they'd go broke.

You asked for a use case and I gave you one. But it’s not like it’s isolated…people trying to learn activities that benefit from 3 dimensions of example over them mocked up in 2 dimensional media like books or tv could benefit. That said I really don’t think this v1 is a mass market device. I think it’s a dev device to get people building apps and the device itself is aimed at business applications. I think it will lead to slimmed down glasses versions as a result of dev over different iterations…by that time they will have made it cheaper or closed the value gap via applications.

 

[Born Again]

I have a feeling that initially there will be a number of use cases, none of which are dominant but after people use it for a while and third-party software comes out, some areas of focus will become more clear. It may be a bit like the Apple Watch in that regard. The initial version was trying to be a lot of different things, but over time certain uses became the most important.

Practically speaking the apple watch is the same as the original but better at everything. There is a reason why many of us still use older apple watches still

 

[Tagbert]

Practically speaking the apple watch is the same as the original but better at everything. There is a reason why many of us still use older apple watches still

The software story on the Watch has evolved to focus on health and fitness along with general notifications. The hardware changes have been focused on improvements in those areas.

 

[wanha]

I think the sample size logic that was brought up was wholly original analysis. If you have a presentation with bunch of staff or industry guests and one person loves the concept or is excited about the potential it’s not unreasonable to equate a similar response by another group that marketing selects. It also reflects a low percentage of say consumers might see the product and come away with similar thoughts.

Ummm... this is a leak of a tightly secretive product, so how could there possibly be a big sample size?

Also when we've had a few sketchy rumors of doubts about the Apple AR/VR glasses by those who have seen it, it's funny that I have not read a single comment that brought up the small sample size problem 🤷‍♂️

We know literally nothing concrete about this product. And yet so many here insist on having an opinion about it that they're willing to fight to defend. Why is that?

 

[Howyalikdemapls]

I hope he’s right and we’re all wrong. I honestly do. I would love for Apple to blow the competition out of the water and knock our socks off with huge leaps in ways we haven’t even thought of.

But if I was a betting man…

 

[williamkey123]

I'll probably do what I do with every new Apple product - decide it's not worth it when it's first announced, check the product page obsessively several weeks before release, and then convince myself it's awesome and buy it anyway.

 

[_Spinn_]

Sounds great but I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[Tagbert]

I hope he’s right and we’re all wrong. I honestly do. I would love for Apple to blow the competition out of the water and knock our socks off with huge leaps in ways we haven’t even thought of.

But if I was a betting man…

Hmmm… one person but they have seen and used the headset

vs

A bunch of people here who have only read about rumors about the device.

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