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NFC would be nice. I recall the CEO of Master Card (Visa?) hinting at negotiations regarding NFC.

Wouldn't mine a teardrop aluminum back similar to the iPad and iPod Touch line.

Larger display (although doubtful)

New Corning Gorilla glass

RAM increase

Better front facing camera with other controls for taking pic (pics are fuzzy with the current 4S front camera)

Ummmm, that's all :)

Happy Monday!
 
I don't understand this. By the time the new iPhone comes out, Apple really should be looking at putting out a Cortex A15 which could give a more wholistic boost to the iPhone while keeping power consumption minimal. The iPhone's A5 already eats a lot of power - adding power-hungry "quad core graphics" to the iPhone seems like a waste of power if that's all you're getting.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have a hard time believing this rumor, or that Apple would make a move that silly.


NFC would be nice. I recall the CEO of Master Card (Visa?) hinting at negotiations regarding NFC.

Outside of being able to use your phone as a credit/debit card, I have yet to see any worthwhile example uses for NFC. And even then, a lot of people seem to be freaking out about NFC payments due to the security issues.
 
I find this hard to believe. The point of the A5X was to double the graphics power to compensate for the new iPad's higher resolution.

Now we don't know yet if the new iPhone will have the same resolution or higher, but either way it won't have significantly more pixels like the new iPad did compared to the iPad 2.

The iPhone 4S already has a significant advantage over its current competitor in GPU performance:

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I don't know what would be the point of upgrading a GPU that's already miles ahead of the competition yet keep the same CPU that's starting to trail behind. Games are fun, but I'd rather have a boost in CPU processing power, especially if the new iPhone has LTE. I wouldn't want the CPU to be a bottleneck for super-fast web browsing.

That being said, I don't care about the next GPU as much as I care for a new CPU architecture. Going quad-core would be a bad choice. Having dual-core Cortex A15 is the best we can hope for the next iPhone. Such an architecture change would mean a different name for the SoC : A6. People asking for a A6 don't simply want it for the name, it's because they assume the CPU in an "A5X" would be the same, which is understandable given that's what happened with the new iPad. A new GPU would be cool but I don't see how it could be Apple's main focus for the new iPhone.

I'm not saying 9to5Mac lied, it's very probable that Apple is actually testing iPhone prototypes with A5Xs. It's just very unlikely that it will really be included in the final product. If anything, it's just to test an iPhone with 1GB RAM since that's what the actual new SoCs will have as well.

Yup, it would be graphical overkill. Not to mention the fact that a dual core Rogue will wipe the floor with the 543MP4 and is much more efficient to boot. There's no reason to rush to the 543MP4 for the next iphone.
 
So dual-core was a step forward that we don't want to step back from, but quad-core is unnecessary right now? How awfully convenient.

But, I never once argued that the next iPhone should have a quad core processor. Not once. I just said it is disappointing that it would be using essentially the same processor from 1 and 1/2 years ago. The Cortex A15, a dual-core chip, would be a BIG step up without having to move to quad core, for instance.

Ya! It at least needs a Cortex A15.... LTE is not going to be enough to make me upgrade... I will just keep my iphone4 if they throw in the A5x....
 
Yup, it would be graphical overkill. Not to mention the fact that a dual core Rogue will wipe the floor with the 543MP4 and is much more efficient to boot. There's no reason to rush to the 543MP4 for the next iphone.

The 543MP4 would be more then needed, but remember, the iPhone is one of the most expensive phones for sale. If apple is going to continue to charge such a premium for the device, the hardware should be as cutting edge as possible.
 
Isn't the A5X much bigger than the A4 or A5, must be without the quad core graphics, otherwise it's way too big.
What do you need a Quad core for on a phone, seems to me the (smaller)A5X is capable enough.

An A5X without quad core graphics is an A5. This may be where the iPhone and iPad start getting separate chips.
 
If Apple goes with the A5X for the iPhone 5, it is likely because there isn't enough capacity in Samsung's and/or TSMC's 28nm fab for volume A6 production, or tapeout has not gone well, again.

There are current reports that other designs from Broadcom and Qualcomm being delayed.

Still, this is probably just prudence on Apple's part to test the A5X.

It doesn't need to be an A6 to be built on 28nm.

The normal way of doing things would be to shrink the A5X to 28nm, then make the A6 in 28nm for the next iPad.
 
NFC would be nice. I recall the CEO of Master Card (Visa?) hinting at negotiations regarding NFC.

Outside of being able to use your phone as a credit/debit card, I have yet to see any worthwhile example uses for NFC. And even then, a lot of people seem to be freaking out about NFC payments due to the security issues.

For the first time, NFC could legitimately happen in the iPhone 5, as TI has put out a combo chip that serves up WiFi, Bluetooth, and NFC all in one package. Apple would need that kind of combo-chip in order to fit it into the iPhone. The thing is, they currently use Broadcomm for WiFi and Bluetooth, so they'd have to switch suppliers.

http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4330
 
There is no way that a chip as large as the A5X will ever be anywhere near an iPhone. Besides, what would the point be? The A5X is identical to the A5 CPU-wise. I also cannot see Apple changing the resolution of the display again, so the iPhone 2012 will either be the standard 3.5" or something very close (say, 3.7"). If Apple decided to go with the GiantPhone approach and adopt the huge 4.5-5" screen of certain Android phones, they would have to eat their words with respect to the "retina" marketing terms.

I honestly think that Apple has no clue what to do with the SoC for the iPhone 2012. The A5 is pretty ample for a phone (barely a handful of apps can even make use of two CPU cores) and Apple is stuck with the 45 nm lithography process for another year, so there is really no way of adding features or upping the clock speed without sucking up a lot more power.
 
If it's the same A5X as in the new iPad, it will be significantly underlocked, because the amount of heat it produces won't be acceptable for a phone.
 
Seriously though, if the next iPhone has an A5X, that's pretty disappointing.

Don't think It's an issue, iOS is very well optimized and In my experience doesn't need crazy high end hardware, infact my brother has a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and even though It has much faster hardware, my iPod Touch 4G is noticeably faster in every aspect..
 
When will the illiterate journalists STOP CALLING IT iPhone 5?!?!? It's the SIXTH generation iPhone! Give it up, already!

As soon as I see this written by a "journalist," I almost won't read the article. Even AppleInsider has started calling it "sixth generation iPhone," instead of "iPhone 5."

As the new iPad has demonstrated, Apple will stop putting a number after the iPhone name... JUST iPhone... period.

The new iPhone - aka iPhone 2012.
 
Just as when Macs went to Core 2 Duo chips with OSX and the UI was no longer the slow point of contact, after that it became more about features, I/O and other technical issues.

Now with handtop devices we have an iPad which could properly be described as being technically maxed out with a high res display, high speed wireless I/O and just enough speed it is not too slow when interacting with it.

This rumor which is likely true will bring these aspects to the latest iPhone. So from this point forward the hardware will continue to be "fast enough" and new features and benefits and capabilities will have headroom to grow into the envelope.

Just to be able to say that is an interesting and cool development. Some might even call "magic" or "insanely great."

Rocketman
 
Why do you say that when benchmarks show that some mobile quad core CPU's absolutely murder the A5X? Please look at this in the Asus Transformer Prime.
Overall the Asus CPU was almoast 2.5 times faster, and won in 31 unique testing categories. The iPad 3 barely won in 5.

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/compare/578013/582073

Those are benchmarks using software optimized to use properly multiple cores, far from the real life software you would use everyday.

Usually (in reviews) you get web browser benchmarks which are close to real life except for the fact that in real life the connection speed usually is far from the best case scenario hindering the benefits that were shown on the benchmarks (since with a slow connection every device risk to get to a point where it's waiting for resources).

3D and Games benchmark are usually a better representation of the device GPU capacities but we lack the same kind of test for CPU performances (like some photoshop test, or the old running across a huge word document) some cases that represent something close to a real life usage of the device.

Also for Graphical test beware of the screen resolution used (either you want to see real performance (FPS) of devices or you want to see the hardware max capacities and run the test offscreen).

EDIT : Analogy...
Comparing a 1945 Jeep and a modern day Porsche
The Porsche would win every classical benchmark, but try to drive the Porsche in the roads available then and you wouldn't be able to exploit it entirely without killing yourself. At that point the designer can make the choice or removing power if the resources (money, heat, weight) allow him to add better seats, audio, navigation. trunk, longer range, which would lead to a better 1945 user experience. It's about balance.
 
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It doesn't need to be an A6 to be built on 28nm.

The normal way of doing things would be to shrink the A5X to 28nm, then make the A6 in 28nm for the next iPad.

Possibly, but Apple hasn't done a shrink to date, and iPhone volume would suggest that a more specific 28 nm design is appropriate. Apple has the resources and volume to tailor a design for either device so I would argue that the 28nm will be a clean slate design rather than a shrink.

Hence, I believe that the A6 is by definition the first 28nm design. Whether it will be available for the iPhone 5 or for the next iPad (mini) would be the question.
 
If the phone is disguised in a 4S body, then it debunks the stories about it having a 4" screen.

Not necessarily - depending on what they are testing the current form factor would be just fine, though personally I hope they don't go to a 4"" screen.
 
Seriously though, if the next iPhone has an A5X, that's pretty disappointing.

I would agree, the a5x simply uses too much power. Who cares if the gpu is good if it drains as much power as some low voltage laptop cpus. The cpu in it is also pretty far behind and not just quad core vs dual core but there are many dual cores out now that run circles around it.
 
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