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I'm sorry? You are the one who objected to what I said, I then went on to explain my position.

That wasn't me :p was benji or something like that haha. I just don't want to see nitpicking over words that don't matter that much.
 
Apple HAS BEEN obsessively meticulous in the past, but lately the pattern is exactly the opposite. More and more products with embarrassing issues.

IMO they've been teething problems. The press likes to jump all over Apple for any little thing. There have been no show-stoppers of late, not since MobileMe was rolled out.
 
My first thought: Oh good! Yet another thing that fanboys can fight over who "...did it first..."

Sometimes I wish I could just be excited about tech news without having to anticipate a heated exchange in the forums every few lines.
 
Then why did you nitpick over words that don't matter much. :D

I'm not :p I don't care if it doubles as this and that or if it was designed to do both or whatever else. I'm just pleading not to have to watch this nitpicking in addition to the "this company came up with this concept first" that already is filling most of this thread!
 
You don't care? Then why did you post this?

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18180976/

This is hilarious simply because you started out by nitpicking, then when I explained myself, you go on to say that you do not want to see any nitpicking. It's hypocritical.

Can you please read my username and the username from that post? They don't match. Aka that's not me...

He (or she) is benji888. I am not.
 
Can you please read my username and the username from that post? They don't match. Aka that's not me...

He (or she) is benji888. I am not.

Ah, I see sorry. So you are some kind of self assigned forum police, the irony of all this however is that we have now spent an entire page on a meta discussion about nitpicking, which you very much is a part of. :D
 
Facepalm

IMO, this demonstrates Apple's lack of ideas now. Bigger/faster iPhones, smaller iPads, different colors, and now keyboards.

No more "Wow! I never even thought of that before" ideas, which is kind of sad.

Whereas Microsoft markets a keyboard cover, some years after the first keyboard covers hit the market, and that's a 'wow! I never even thought of that' moment? :rolleyes:

Apple (nor MSFT, nor Google) has never delivered such 'wow' moments on a regular cycle (despite what fans of each company might try to claim). Those moments are few and far between, for any of them. IMO, you're just holding Apple to a different (higher) set of expectations and standards.
 
I'm waiting for those painful 'click' ads from Apple.
Ooo Oooo Oooooo, but I'm waiting for the funky fresh wild gesticulations, twirling, tap dancing, beatboxing, camera angels showing a person writing a checkmark on the screen, and otherwise not saying a damn thing. Because Apple is all about showing how hip hop their iPad is.
 
Microsoft just built a Smart Cover and slapped a keyboard on it. If apple takes it a step further and adds a new great feature, it's not copying. It's just friendly competition, and without competition, there's no innovation.

Bahahahha best post ever! Pass over the Kool aid bro! :)
 
Whereas Microsoft markets a keyboard cover, some years after the first keyboard covers hit the market, and that's a 'wow! I never even thought of that' moment? :rolleyes:

Apple (nor MSFT, nor Google) has never delivered such 'wow' moments on a regular cycle (despite what fans of each company might try to claim). Those moments are few and far between, for any of them. IMO, you're just holding Apple to a different (higher) set of expectations and standards.

Has Google ever really had a wow moment? I mean the only thing that really changed the world they've done is search. But that was a lot more gradual than wow wasn't it.
 
It just said Apple has been considering a keyboard case, not that it was coming out. Apple prototypes many things that never see the light of day.

But if Apple did this I'd bet it would be better than Microsoft's implementation. Apple obsessive iterates before releasing things. They are not perfect but have a much better track record with hardware than anyone else.

There WERE plenty of keyboard cases out for iPad BEFORE surface was announced, just not from Apple. I don't see the need go Apple to make one unless they do something really clever, there are plenty if choices on the market already.

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Microsoft and Apple are competitors, no doubt, but the fact that they are both (along with Microsoft partner Nokia) two of the most aggressive at IP-related lawsuits against Android OEMs but have entered into a cross-licensing agreement with each other make me think that they both realize that Android is a bigger threat to each of them than each other is. If Surface gains significant market share, it will be at the expense of Android.

As for the Surface keyboard, it is one thing that Microsoft got right. They licensed Apple's Smart Cover and improved upon it. Apple may well have licensed the Surface keyboard with the intent of improving upon it, or they may have had the underlying patents already.

Apple and Microsoft have had various cross license agreements since the days when Microsoft flat out stole look and feel from Mac in Windows 1 & 2. There was a giant decade long update when Steve came back and Microsoft bought $125m in Apple stock .... The two find it better business to keep the cross license agreements updated every 5 years or so than to constantly pay LAWYERS to do that work for them.
 
Whereas Microsoft markets a keyboard cover, some years after the first keyboard covers hit the market, and that's a 'wow! I never even thought of that' moment? :rolleyes:

I never, ever said that, so keep those words in your own mouth, please.


Apple ... has never delivered such 'wow' moments on a regular cycle ... IMO, you're just holding Apple to a different (higher) set of expectations and standards.

If you say so. Sorry you are so jaded about everything Apple's delivered. The rest of the world, though disagrees with you. Their run in the 2000-2010 +/- was amazing. Also, btw, I forgot OSX, besides their HW.

Lastly, Apple BETTER be held to a higher standard. They charge premium prices and work a premium image. If they are just "me too" with colors, sizes and covers, then they will lose their ability to get a premium.

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I meant the years between the timeframes I mentioned. 2001 (iPod), 2007 (iPhone), 2008 (unibody MacBooks), and 2010 (iPad) were innovative. That leaves about 6 years without much innovation. What I'm saying is that people shouldn't expect a revolutionary product every year, and based on rumors, the pipeline looks good.

Sorry, I mis-understood your timeframes. I was wondering what you meant by 2001-07, then 07-10. I don't have the dates, but I rather think OSX itself (around the Tiger years) was also great. Remember each OSX announcement. More cool features. Up until about Lion. Also, Timemachine. Also, iLife was fantastic. iPhoto was a great starter photo app. Bundled right in. Make your own books! cool. iMovie (the new one), which some hate, turned out to be really cool. Just about every time Apple did a big announcement, there was something really cool.

One other caveat -- I am looking at this from a consumer perspective. Not a programmer or engineer's perspective. I know PCs could do remote device back-ups before Apple, but Apple made it really cool and easy, so that not just me, but even my mom could use it.

There has been a LOT less of that recently. Though, I think 64 bit architecture is cool, and the thumbprint security is cool (both are reasons I upgraded from my iPhone 4 to 5s).

Any rate, I'd like to see more really cool stuff, not iPad covers -- which, btw, is one of the exact things Ballmer laughed at. What's next? A stylus :rolleyes:
 
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Nope I'm quite sober thanks. And Apple hasn't invited anything? What are you on about? Mad person.
You must be angry typing with those typos hahahaha.

"invented" - obviously (well for most). No, I'm not angry, I'm amused.
 
Ah, I see sorry. So you are some kind of self assigned forum police, the irony of all this however is that we have now spent an entire page on a meta discussion about nitpicking, which you very much is a part of. :D

No I'm simply begging for mercy on at least a smaller topic that I have no desire to hear about haha. But yup, I'm well aware that my response is more than had previously occurred. Oh well.
 
So, looking up 'strawman fallacy' on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man , it appears to me that you were incorrect when you used that term to describe the original comment.

Specifically, to be an example of the strawman fallacy, the author would need to have subverted an earlier proposition, and put forward his own similar proposition ( intending you to believe it the same as the original ) and then proved or refuted some statement about that proposition.

Check out that article, and I think you'll agree that there more to 'attacking the straw man' than just the use of stereotypes and exaggeration ( which is how I'd describe the original comment ).

I think you could have been more understanding, it is clear to me that the original author was expressing his opinion in a fun and enthusiastic manner, he didn't appear to be accusing any one single person of having those traits he despises, but merely annoyed at a attitude that he sees expressed in those mannerisms he describes.

You are probably correct. Except the final paragraph. History is a great teacher of fact. His is clear.
 
I really don't understand why people want to make their iPad something it isn't (a laptop). Buy a freaking 11" MacBook Air already and be done with this accessorizing. It'll probably be cheaper in the long run. And the "touch screen" is already built into the trackpad. No need to fight gravity either.
 
"But if Apple did this I'd bet it would be better than Microsoft's implementation."

So typical - pooh-poohed when Microsoft puts it out BUT deemed brilliant when Apple takes it market.

The fanboyz rhetoric is tiresome, ain't it.

The odds of an Apple implementation being better than Microsofts implementation are extraordinarily high. So this is not "fanboyism", it is only recognizing objective reality. Name any hardware device that Microsoft has produced that is as good or better than any comparable Apple device. You can't.
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